Can anyone take Hugo Chavez seriously?

Originally posted by PVS
no, bush just calls them "Hitler", implying that they are a racist genocidal madman among other unsavory things...but never called anyone an alcoholic. does that matter?

now, i never said that chaves was justified, i find such a move irresponsible no matter who does it (although i agree that he is satan incarnate, though im not a world leader thankfully)

im sorry, but you as well are being a blatant hypocrite. wipe the red white and blue hypocritical delusion of inherent godliness and immunity out of your logic and you'll see the truth of it. we have a president whos version of diplomacy is to call another world leader evil, right down to their core. maybe he's right, and maybe chaves is also right, but both should learn to stfu, especially bush since he's in charge of far more than some bloated banana republic.

I believe he called President Ahmadinejad "Hitler" for his frequent anti-Jewish remarks and his denial of the holocaust. Am I wrong here? But again, he should not have made that reference as a leader.

We both agree here as any move as this by a world leader is poor tactics.

"wipe the red white and blue hypocritical delusion of inherent godliness and immunity out of your logic" Like I said, I am no fan of Bush and I do not believe America can justify anything over any other nation just because it is America...

well, then we agree

...and bush is satan

Originally posted by PVS
well, then we agree

...and bush is satan

I guess so

...I do not like the man, I did not vote for him and if by some lube-less @ssfck of our laws he should be able to run a third term, I wouldn't vote for him. But, I do not think he is Satan or evil incarnate.

Originally posted by Robtard
I'd be pissed he called my government "evil" if I cared about my government, but I wouldn't take it personal.

Of course people still blame Bush, people often knee jerk and blame Bush for any mishap, no matter how ridiculous. Fact is though, the levees broke due to decades upon decades of neglect, Bush had nothing to do with neglect that happened before he became president. His response to the aftermah was lacking, but it wasn't solely his fault.

Your responses aren't very coherent, but no matter. When I said Bush's response to Katrina was lacking, do you know what I meant? I meant 'response'. Got it?

Originally posted by Robtard
I understand clearly what he said, he made personal attacks on the leader of another nation and as a leader himself, he should have refrained from such petty insults. Say Chavez was being metaphorical, but his insults weren't metaphorical. What is Metaphorical about "racist", "sick man" and "alcoholic"?

Ahh, you see that bit I said about being metaphorical? Yes? Do you see that I didn't say the 'racist', 'sick man' and 'alcoholic' part was metaphorical? Are you beginning to see the light? You see, I said the 'el diablo' bit was metaphorical. Got it?

Originally posted by Robtard
Nothing he said changes anyone views of Bush or America, those who despise Bush still despise him and those who love Bush still love him. All the rest in between only saw a world leader resorting to petty insults on another world leader. People in the U.N. were laughing.

Again, Chavez's intentions were publicity-related. It wasn't an attempt at currying favor. How could you possibly think it was?!?!

Originally posted by Ya Krunk'd Floo
Your responses aren't very coherent, but no matter. When I said Bush's response to Katrina was lacking, do you know what I meant? I meant 'response'. Got it?

Ahh, you see that bit I said about being metaphorical? Yes? Do you see that I didn't say the 'racist', 'sick man' and 'alcoholic' part was metaphorical? Are you beginning to see the light? You see, I said the 'el diablo' bit was metaphorical. Got it?

Again, Chavez's intentions were publicity-related. It wasn't an attempt at currying favor. How could you possibly think it was?!?!

You're constant replies with their demeaning undertones grow rather tiring, not because I am personally offended, but the repetitiveness is childish.

If you cannot understand my responses, I can't help it, sorry. Actually, you said "and his immediate 'response' to Katrina could be used as evidence to support him being a racist." not lacking, you implied he was racially motivated.

Alright, so one little part of his speech was metaphorical, big deal. But as I pointed not, he said "is" the Devil as in "the Lord of all evil", "Master of lies" that is personal and petty. Now try to justify the "sick man", "alcoholic" and "racist" aspects of his deep metaphorical rant as they not being personal insults towards Bush.

Ok, then if he didn't do it to offend Bush as it was "metaphorical" and he didn't do it to rally support, why did he do it?

Originally posted by Robtard
You're constant replies with their demeaning undertones grow rather tiring, not because I am personally offended, but the repetitiveness is childish.

If you cannot understand my responses, I can't help it, sorry. Actually, you said "and his immediate 'response' to Katrina could be used as evidence to support him being a racist." not lacking, you implied he was racially motivated.

Alright, so one little part of his speech was metaphorical, big deal. But as I pointed not, he said "is" the Devil as in "the Lord of all evil", "Master of lies" that is personal and petty. Now try to justify the "sick man", "alcoholic" and "racist" aspects of his deep metaphorical rant as they not being personal insults towards Bush.

Ok, then if he didn't do it to offend Bush as it was "metaphorical" and he didn't do it to rally support, why did he do it?

I'm sorry for the 'demenaing undertones' of my replies, but it is also rather tiring when you fail to grasp my explicit meaning. Yes, his response to Katrina could be used as evidence to support him being a racist. I have never said otherwise. Yes, Chavez intended to insult Bush, but that wasn't his ultimate intention; publicity was. As for the final part of your post; again, the answer is publicity.

I hope everything is crystal clear now.

I don't take anyone seriously, so I'm all set.

Originally posted by PVS
because bush pisses rainbows and craps sunshine. if he does it its ok. hail satan...i mean go dubya!

Ahahahahaha!!

Originally posted by PVS
well, then we agree

...and bush is satan

Don't give him that much credit, he's not nearly as clever as satan.

I can't take him seriously because his last name is Chavez............

Originally posted by Britrogue
I can't take him seriously because his last name is Chavez............

CHAV-ez. I get it.

Originally posted by lil bitchiness
CHAV-ez. I get it.

I get it, too...Because he's not French, right? Hahaha. Good one.

Originally posted by Ya Krunk'd Floo
I get it, too...Because he's not French, right? Hahaha. Good one.

Wait, what?

I thought it was funny BECAUSE he was French.

Oh, right. Now I see.

I think I'll just laugh at my self from here on in...

"...we're both a part of the same hypocrisy..." -michael corleone

I'd love it if Bush and Chavez held hands, danced, and then actually said that. I think I'd actually take a photo. Or maybe even a video. A video-photo. Do they exist?

i bet we'll have that within the next decade

Yeah, that's progress for you.

Originally posted by Ya Krunk'd Floo
Whatever Chavez might be, he is certainly not an idiot as he has achieved exactly what he intended with the reaction to his speech. Is the reason that you think Bush is an idiot due to exactly the same reason as Chavez, or are you looking at all the other overwhelming evidence to support that belief?

Then if he (Chavez) is not an idiot, he certainly fails in the art of diplomacy and tact, which is necessary for a world to leader to accomplish anything outside of his country with the rest of the world. He (Chavez) didn't say anything new that the rest of the world doesn't believe already. I can be passionate in front of a group of hundreds also and say that the capital of France is Paris, but that would mean nothing. My reasons for thinking Bush is an idiot are irrelevant to the topic.

Originally posted by BobbyD
Then if he (Chavez) is not an idiot, he certainly fails in the art of diplomacy and tact, which is necessary for a world to leader to accomplish anything outside of his country with the rest of the world. He (Chavez) didn't say anything new that the rest of the world doesn't believe already. I can be passionate in front of a group of hundreds also and say that the capital of France is Paris, but that would mean nothing. My reasons for thinking Bush is an idiot are irrelevant to the topic.

So here it is again: Chavez achieved exactly what he intended with his speech.

I really can't fathom how anyone can think he was going for anything other than shock and news coverage. Seriously, do you really think he was trying to be tactful and diplomatic? Seriously?