Originally posted by bigbranThat's where your wrong, I've given proof that Supes can negate some forms of intangibility, so unless you have proof that your characters don't use that form of intangibility, you can't factor your intangibility into your game plan, because you can't prove that it would work.
Considering the guy who he did that to, was said on panel, to not be able to phase like Supes can, I'm pretty sure, this won't have any affect on my guy.
If it did, I never said I relyed completely on my intangibility, I was using it as an alternative.Nope, It's still on.
Unless you have one, wheer it affects someone with actual intangibility, then I'm stumped.
[i]No, but if your not going to take down your shields, then how are you going to attack me?As I said before, my shields will remain up until I phase through YOUR shields.
SInce your shields are going to be in the way.[/B]
[i]Alot of people had this ability, but it never helped them in a fight with Surfer.Not sure what ability your talking about here.
It's not really an adavantage.[/B]
[i]Of course it's survivable.It only counts a a BFR if I can't make it back, but Runner DID make it back, see...
But, if you leave the battlefield, then that would count as a win for me.
I was only planning to bfr you. Since you want to hid behind your shield, then why don't I create a black hole, right where your standing?[/B]
http://img95.imageshack.us/img95/2465/silversurfer198801823endzk9.jpg That's him coming out of the Black hole, with Galactus and the rest.
[i]No, but as soon as my internet is working correctly, I will explain. But as of right now, Hal's will should negate all of this, since he has fought off much more.[/B]
Hey, Surfers got one of the strongest wills in Marvel, not many can affect him either, and it worked just fine on him.
[i]Wait!!!
Your comparing anyone in this thing to Parallax?
Plus, I don't see how this is a low showing, since Parallax is over Galactus.[/B]
Not really comparing, just pointing out that it can't be said that Hal is immune to someone tampering with his emotions.
[i]Hmm, I can't see the scan, but I do know what it says. Isn't it talking about how Runner had the ability to transport before he even thinks it? So how would we know, if he's doing it or not, since it was explained AFTER the battle? There not going to give it away during it. Plus, I guess Champion never used the gem either...
Why would we see his instant teleportion, when he is already traveling at the speed of light? And how would we see it, when it gets explained how the gem works at the end of the battle?[/B]
Now at what point in this battle, was there ANY indication of teleportation?
And in his battle with Thanos, you actually SEE the speed trails as he passes, if he were teleporting, there would be a *BAMF* effect(like Nightcrawler)
And I'll show you the difference between what happened with Runner/Thanos and Champion Thanos
http://img243.imageshack.us/img243/5088/thanosquest135xd7.jpg
http://img217.imageshack.us/img217/663/thanosquest136hj4.jpg
Notice Thanos's comments on how the Champion didn't know he had such power, and how his anger was unchecked. Well of course he didn't know he had kind of power, because he didn't realize that he was drawing on the gem subconsciously for power as a result of his anger(like Drax). Your free to disagree, but I'm pretty sure the judges will see it my way.
[i]Plus, my guy has been powered up. (Silver Surfer)[/B]And when you provide on panel proof that states he's actually FASTER than he was when he battled the Runner, I'll concede that their speed MIGHT be equal
[i] How does lifting a side of a building compare to blowing apart a big asteroid?Except that Surfer DIDN'T blow the asteroid apart(or crush it), he bust out of it, and it shattered. So we have Surfer's feat of busting through a large chunk of rock. And Juggs feat of busting through a large chunk of solid steel. Which do you honestly think is more impressive? Rock<Steel (just ask Thing and Colossus)
Plus, I was talking about how hard he can hit, not how much he can lift.How does breaking out of metal, also compare to crushing an asteroid? It doesn't.[/B]
[i] Can you explain of what is happening there?Sorry bout that, I know it's hard to make out. That's the Juggernaut Destroying a skyscraper by running into it.
I really can't tell.[/B]
[i] I never said he did anything physical.And I never said that Juggs beat him, I just showed that he was physically powerful enough to knock him on his ass.(Which I also think trumps the asteroid feat)
I said he has beaten him alone.[/B]
[i]If he can absorb, and reflect, then what does that have to do with this, other than I can do both? Plus, I just wanted to answer your charcter talking about himself(or whatever) with Surfer talking abouut himself. Then I backed up his power absorbation, with scans.
Which you haven't backed up the "beyond infinate" quote.[/B]
Well I would back up the statement(it was actually infinite potential), Except that I don't really know what it means. I just thought I'd point out what someone who was in possession of Supes body, thought it was capable of.
[i]Not the point.
The point was that I was showing Surfer's near limitless absorbing power, and he could absorb Supes energy.
Because it's not like he exploit's weaknesses or anything.[/B]
Yes and I'll admit to Surfer's near limitless absorbing abilities against any stationary energy body, that's not absorbing Surfer's own energy right back.
[i] But I thought we had all of our character's abilitys. [/B]
Calm down, I said I didn't think those feats applied. Not that they didn't. We just kind of threw this whole thing together quickly, so NONE of us are very sure on how things should go. If you want even the physical abilities to carry over that's fine.
[i]He was only like that, because his entire head was gone. I'm pretty sure, not everyone is awake when they don't have a head.[/B]That doesn't change the fact that he wasn't healing, until he was conscious. See, Manhunter has healing abilities, which means that he can CONSCIOUSLY heal wounds. So if I don't give you time to concentrate, you can't accomplish those feats. Juggs on the other hand, has a healing factor(like Wolverine's, but magic, and better). That means that it heals him, whether he thinks about it or not.
[i]I was showing that since Surfer survived that vicious attack, and was still awake. I figured that it would leave yours in the dust.[/B]And yet Surfer is always susceptible to blunt force trauma. And my skeleton feat is right on par with that IMO
[i]So he cancelled out all of his power? No! The constrct was still there, and it still had it's power.[/B]
Actually, if you look closely, the construct is crumbling, that's why you see kyle in the top right corner of the last panel, instead of the corner of the anvil. And it doesn't matter HOW MANY constructs you have, because once I start doing that, you won't be able to maintain ANY of them.
[i]One thing. The Illusion fooled Galactus!Yes it did, because I'm sure it was very detailed. I never said that I would be able to tell the difference, I said that I would try to absorb 'all' of you, then whoever was left would be the real one. Surfers illusion was still made up of energy, so it is still subject to absorption.
Galactus![/B]
[i]Plus, how are you going to affect my central nervous system?[/B]Did you not read the scan with GL and Superman? THAT'S how he was messing with Kyles construct.
[i]As well as you shouldn't. But if you aren't, then how powerful exactly are they?[/B]
I don't know to tell you the truth. But if you need another example, here's one of him wrestling an actual angel.
http://img101.imageshack.us/img101/9712/asmodelsupes8zfjx2.jpg
So, to sum it up,
Your constructs and GL shield are gone, and you won't be able to sustain anymore(because of me messing with your nervous system)
Your illusions are gone(because I absorbed them)
You can't become intangible(until you prove otherwise)
I CAN absorb your energy(since your going to be distracted by your mess of a central nervous system, and the loss of your constructs and illusions)
I'm still stronger(Juggs plus Blue Supes powers amping me up)
I'm still faster
Yeah, my strategy stands as is.
Oh yeah, in regards to all your talk about psychic attacks, take a look at this example of Supes converting his body into psionic energy...
http://img82.imageshack.us/img82/4339/psychicenergyfy0.jpg
http://img168.imageshack.us/img168/2276/psychic2uw5.jpg
Now HOW is your guy going to hurt me with psychic attacks, when I'm MADE of the same stuff that your attacking with? Seems like trying to kill Iceman with intense cold to me.
