maybe it was the silliness of the issue that made it...questionable. is squirrel girl considered canon for example? i mean not too long ago loki summoned ego and bill and a host of others and ss single handily--and effortlessly--beat the sh!t out of all of them. canon? i'm not so sure that would count. or do we say canon, and just discount it because it's in squirrel girl? hard to place books that are so clearly meant to be tongue-in-cheek.
So you think a non canon book referred back to a non canon book to show that Deadpool was once a herald?
The Squirrel Girl issue also said that the Thor Horse existed in canon and was retconned into every old comic although off panel. It also says it's a true Howard the Duck story and referenced his story iirc.
You also used scans from that issue in your tourney too.
It's all canon. It just depends how much you care to acknowledge just like everything else.
i did use scans, but not to support anything...important. meh. maybe. in an argument those types of books don't hold up though and are given no credence. unless you think loki really can insta-summon ego, command him like a slave while simultaneously believing ss can effortlessly swat him away like a bug? or maybe you think ghost squirrels can beat the holy hell out of an amped dormammu? sh!t may be canon, but for all the weight it holds it might as well not be. /shrug
Originally posted by leonidasThe only thing you said wrong there was Loki doing anything of importance. A ghost Squirrel army beating Dorm sounds pretty inline with canon. Afterall SG beat a potentially universal ending Thanos previously with her tricks. Ego sucks though, and he was just bfred, not knocked out. Surfer's superslap is potent.
i did use scans, but not to support anything...important. meh. maybe. in an argument those types of books don't hold up though and are given no credence. unless you think loki really can insta-summon ego, command him like a slave while simultaneously believing ss can effortlessly swat him away like a bug? or maybe you think ghost squirrels can beat the holy hell out of an amped dormammu? sh!t may be canon, but for all the weight it holds it might as well not be. /shrug
Anyway, that's a slippery slope to take. Especially when Bendis is an active writer, and the whole Jason Aaron fiasco. Everything is canon. It's up to you what parts you wish to accept or decline. That's all I'm saying. I'm not here to convince you that Surfer can slap a Thor Horse around, I'm just here to tell you it's canon, which was your initial issue with the Sunpool scans. I'm well aware what should or should not count towards feats or averages.
You also used a scan from an issue where Surfer blew off the hand of someone with the full IG and disassembled the Gauntlet. I'll have to add that they were talking to each other because Mr Master senses everytime I bring this up, but they were never said to weaken his power.
lol at stilt's chubby. tournaments are tournaments and "probably" shouldn't be taken as proof of.....anything. lol i said i wasn't SURE if it was canon. if it wasn't he could have tried proving it. tbh i'm actually not even sure anymore which scan you're talking about. i used one to close my last post, but that was meaningless. nor do i know what you're talking about with the ig users hand being blown off. in other news, spidey beat up firelord too. i'm not talking about one-off showings.
you're trying to generalize with this slippery slope talk. it's not slippery at all imo because i'm talking SPECIFICALLY about sg and given the nature of the book it may as well be non-canon, at least as far as i'm concerned. and given the weight the feats depicted in it are given, it might as well be non-canon to the forum as well.
Originally posted by leonidasYou used two scans as two different closers. Not much purpose, but scans nonetheless. The IG hand being blown off was from your circle of lightspeed around Deathurge.
lol at stilt's chubby. tournaments are tournaments and "probably" shouldn't be taken as proof of.....anything. lol i said i wasn't SURE if it was canon. if it wasn't he could have tried proving it. tbh i'm actually not even sure anymore which scan you're talking about. i used one to close my last post, but that was meaningless. nor do i know what you're talking about with the ig users hand being blown off. in other news, spidey beat up firelord too. i'm not talking about one-off showings.you're trying to generalize with this slippery slope talk. it's not slippery at all imo because i'm talking SPECIFICALLY about sg and given the nature of the book it may as well be non-canon, at least as far as i'm concerned. and given the weight the feats depicted in it are given, it might as well be non-canon to the forum as well.
Have you actually read the full series of SG Leo? It's really not as bad as you're making it out to be. It's no worse than Deadpool, Moon Girl, or those classic Stan Lee comics. The art is garbage, and there's that "quirk", but the "really dumb things" are actually few and far between and don't really impact much. Hell it treated Rhino better than 90 percent of his appearances. Dr Doom got his revenge... kind of. It's not as bad as her previous showings.
You can disagree with the Surfer showing, but calling the whole book "non canon" is pretty far fetched.
For being Tumblr shit, it makes tons and tons of references to current and classic issues, treats shittily written characters fairly well. Tries to explain most of the things it does, and other things. There's a lot more effort put into it than anything Bendis has written in the past 5 years. I'm not saying it doesn't have dumb things, but it's no more numerous than any other series that has hit 30 issues. You'd have an easier time explaining the Ego thing than what Ewing was doing in some issues for example. Or why Aaron had three Thors with hammers go into a sun a couple years ago but...
Had SG been like the older stories in Great Lakes Avengers where she just beat everything, I think you'd have more merit. As it stands now, they toned it down considerably. I'm not a fan of that tumblr quirk though
It's hard to take it as canon. I mean, it's absurd to a ridiculous level [heralds that are unequivocally dead in a bar and lots of other makes-no-sense to be in continuity stuff?].
I see it similar to the Edifice Rex comic. Galactus grabbing and actually biting planets and stuff? I can't consider that shit valid.
It's also not worth the hassle just to..erm...have a feat where Surfer makes a big energy ball Dragon Ball Z style.
@bran--you're misinterpreting--i said it was ridiculous and hard for me to consider canon. i didn't say it was shit. i've read several of the earlier issues and a bunch of the later ones. i actually lo'd for real on a number of occasions. i'm not saying it doesn't have its place, or its charms. i'm saying it has no place in the forum and that the absurd nature of the book treats its place in 'canon' with...irreverence, at best.
@phil--the big ball was pretty cool though. 😂
and am i the only one that can see ss making this a match...? 😮
Didn't Surfer defeat Mangog via the purity of his soul? I know that wasn't a canon fight, and so it didn't actually happen; but does that necessarily mean it couldn't happen?
I really don't see Surfer beating Mangog otherwise ... although given how Surfer survived onslaughts from Tenebrous and Aegis, I'm not sure how much damage Mangog could actually do to Surfer, either. Then again, does Thanos hit harder than T & A?
Mostly I see this as a fight where Mangog tosses and punches Surfer around like a rag doll ... unless Mangog hits as hard or harder than Thanos, or T & A.
Originally posted by Mindship
Didn't Surfer defeat Mangog via the purity of his soul? I know that wasn't a canon fight, and so it didn't actually happen; but does that necessarily mean it couldn't happen?I really don't see Surfer beating Mangog otherwise ... although given how Surfer survived onslaughts from Tenebrous and Aegis, I'm not sure how much damage Mangog could actually do to Surfer, either. Then again, does Thanos hit harder than T & A?
Mostly I see this as a fight where Mangog tosses and punches Surfer around like a rag doll ... unless Mangog hits as hard or harder than Thanos, or T & A.
It's like asking how can Thor lose to Mangog when he survived celestials.
Originally posted by leonidasIt was funny, true. But, like you I believe, I'm not in agreement with taking these 'loose/no continuity or even characterization' stuff as forum arguments.
@phil--the big ball was pretty cool though. 😂and am i the only one that can see ss making this a match...? 😮
Ignoring 'teh sun' stuff, I can see SS making it a match [assuming no BFR] by flying away, and keeping the distance. Mangog can jump really hard, but then again, Surfer can phase. He could [which, again, ignoring lesser events having killed Mangog] open a black hole that would immobilize him, and just pick him apart with whatever he can. It's there that it becomes a bit debatable, as I don't think Surfer has relative portrayals that can really put him down, or even damage him really hard. Mangog was pretty 'Doomsday'-ish in his portrayal, if you catch my drift. But Surfer can at least stop him from getting close/hitting him.
Originally posted by PhilosophíaIt's not like heralds haven't been revived before for no reason. But if it takes you out to much you can assume cosplay. Comparing it to the Edifice comics though... meh. Though people did make threads about him as he was canon.
It's hard to take it as canon. I mean, it's absurd to a ridiculous level [heralds that are unequivocally dead in a bar and lots of other makes-no-sense to be in continuity stuff?].I see it similar to the Edifice Rex comic. Galactus grabbing and actually biting planets and stuff? I can't consider that shit valid.
It's also not worth the hassle just to..erm...have a feat where Surfer makes a big energy ball Dragon Ball Z style.
The ball is canon though is all I'm saying. He could have been knocked out by a wasp and it'd still be canon. Watcher tearing a dog alien in half is also canon. Absurdity in this serious medium isn't the greatest crime. Especially when those super serious books can and do get a lot dumber than Heralds in a meeting.
"The book is silly this doesn't count" isn't really a viable reason for discounting it imo. Especially when in the bigger picture it'd be removing some amount of history from Deadpool and almost all from Squirrel Girl on the forums.
Originally posted by leonidasSo it's not shit? It's canon, but it should be counted as basically non canon because of your guidelines?
@bran--you're misinterpreting--i said it was ridiculous and hard for me to consider canon. i didn't say it was shit. i've read several of the earlier issues and a bunch of the later ones. i actually lo'd for real on a number of occasions. i'm not saying it doesn't have its place, or its charms. i'm saying it has no place in the forum and that the absurd nature of the book treats its place in 'canon' with...irreverence, at best.@phil--the big ball was pretty cool though. 😂
and am i the only one that can see ss making this a match...? 😮
I will keep this in mind next time I don't like something being used here.
Originally posted by One Big Mob
So it's not shit? It's canon, but it should be counted as basically non canon because of your guidelines?I will keep this in mind next time I don't like something being used here.
lol (a) you're free to interpret material anyway you'd like, and (b) you're the one who said:
It's up to you what parts you wish to accept or decline. That's all I'm saying.
and let's face it, that isn't breaking news. in fact, you're describing absolutely nothing new at all. arguments about what is and isn't pis take up full threads and will continue to do so. but you're speaking in generalities--again and so is ds. i'm speaking specifically about sg and how i view the material in it. pis works as well as non-canon for me. but next time you see me arguing for something in squirrel girl, yur free to remind me of this discussion.