Wallace vs. Clinton (a fox exclusive)

(edit- :nice edit job. "how is that blaming clinton?" was the deleted question. and so...)

how is it not? your implication was that while it's his fault for not getting bin laden, we shouldnt criticise him because he didnt know better. well thats just great. forgiveness based on a lie. and still you have not watched the interview. how do you have the audacity to continue posting at me in a thread in which you dont know the topic? maybe you think clinton was full of shit for what he said? nope, i know you dont, since you have no frikin clue what he nor wallace said.

Originally posted by PVS
(edit- :nice edit job. "how is that blaming clinton?" was the deleted question. and so...)

how is it not? your implication was that while it's his fault for not getting bin laden, we shouldnt criticise him because he didnt know better. well thats just great. forgiveness based on a lie. and still you have not watched the interview. how do you have the audacity to continue posting at me in a thread in which you dont know the topic? maybe you think clinton was full of shit for what he said? nope, i know you dont, since you have no frikin clue what he nor wallace said.

If you set there and continue to add fiction into what I said even after I told you that your interpretation was wrong, you are simply trolling.

no it is not trolling. you posted proof of willful ignorance in the face of fact on the decisions of the clinton administration in response to attacks conducted by bin laden...which is the very essense of the topic. i guess you were hoping to seem well informed by dancing around the topic, but that went belly up, so then you went for the report function with the hope that someone would bail you out, didnt you?

and yet you still have not watched the interview. 👆

Originally posted by PVS
no it is not trolling. you posted proof of willful ignorance in the face of fact on the decisions of the clinton administration in response to attacks conducted by bin laden...which is the very essense of the topic. i guess you were hoping to seem well informed by dancing around the topic, but that went belly up, so then you went for the report function with the hope that someone would bail you out, didnt you?

and yet you still have not watched the ineterview. 👆

You are not the boss of this thread, and you have a history of being a troll and a bully. I made one comment that it was unfair to blame Clinton and you jumped on the opportunity to give me hell. You are the one off topic, by focusing on me; I'm not the topic. The fundamental truth is I don't care about your opinion; you are a troll and a bully.

So let me make this clear, before 9-11 OBL was an outlaw and the government did what was appropriate as a police action. I believe that Clinton did all that he could considering the circumstances. Therefore, it is unfair to blame Clinton for not getting OBL.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
You are not the boss of this thread, and you have a history of being a troll and a bully. I made one comment that it was unfair to blame Clinton and you jumped on the opportunity to give me hell. You are the one off topic, by focusing on me; I'm not the topic. The fundamental truth is I don't care about your opinion; you are a troll and a bully.

funny since there is only one person in this thread calling names and avoiding the point/topic. maybe i should report you?

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
So let me make this clear, before 9-11 OBL was an outlaw and the government did what was appropriate as a police action. I believe that Clinton did all that he could considering the circumstances. Therefore, it is unfair to blame Clinton for not getting OBL.

thats just it. he didnt. he allowed himself to buckle under the pressure from neocons and liberals accusing him of obsessing over bin laden simply to divert attention from a certain intern with a semen-stained dress. thus why he declared that he tried and failed. he ordered air strikes on suspected terrorist sites and tried to convince congress that the immediate overthrow of the taliban and the killing of bin laden was priority #1 for national security and he failed. he could have committed career suicide and followed through (considering illegal wars have become all too common), but didnt. in a last ditch effort, he strongly advised the next administration of the threat and was ignored. thats history. recent history.

Originally posted by PVS
funny since there is only one person in this thread calling names and avoiding the point/topic. nopity

thats just it. he didnt. he allowed himself to buckle under the pressure from neocons and liberals accusing him of obsessing over bin laden simply to divert attention from a certain intern with a semen-stained dress. thus why he declared that he tried and failed. he ordered air strikes on suspected terrorist sites and tried to convince congress that the immediate overthrow of the taliban and the killing of bin laden was priority #1 for national security and he failed. he could have committed career suicide and followed through (considering illegal wars have become all too common), but didnt. in a last ditch effort, he strongly advised the next administration of the threat and was ignored. thats history. recent history.

I have to admit that he did put himself in a compromised position, and should have resigned. At that same time conservatives were screaming wag the dog. So, both side were wrong and screwed up. I still believe that the mind set before 9-11 is what allowed OBL to get away.

BTW if you change the way you react to me, I will change the way I react to you. We can find a place in the middle.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
BTW if you change the way you react to me, I will change the way I react to you. We can find a place in the middle.

how about you just dont post something meaningless and point dodging like:

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
I only saw part of it. It's not fair to criticize Clinton for not getting OBL. It was a different world then, he did not know what was going to happen.

and i wont have to feel obligated to react negatively to it?

deal?

Originally posted by PVS
how about you just dont post something meaningless and point dodging like:

and i wont have to feel obligated to react negatively to it?

deal?

This is in the wrong thread. This is a stupid debating tactic.

I did not post something meaningless and I never dodged your points.

*sigh* whatever. dropped.

It DOES make me wonder why Clinton was so angry and defensive about it. Guy just asked a question. If Clinton had nothing to worry about, he wouldn't have gotten all foamy at the mouth...

Originally posted by Draco69
It DOES make me wonder why Clinton was so angry and defensive about it. Guy just asked a question. If Clinton had nothing to worry about, he wouldn't have gotten all foamy at the mouth...

1-the smear campaign launched months ago to place blame of 9-11 on clinton, backed by lies in which he ignored the bin laden threat while neocons urged him of the threat, when it was the other way around

2-the wording of that question, which suggests that the stated lie is true and then structured so that clinton should explain his view on how he was responsible for what happened (same as the word game seen earlier in this thread)

3-the fact that that prick wallace was interrupting him and smirking at him. this guy was president of the united states and he's being talked over like some common shmuck on the oreilly factor. as much as i detest bush, when he's out of office i expect anyone interviewing him to show respect and let him finish a single answer to a question without having to raise his voice

4-the fact that the whole interview was arranged for, as he put it, a hit job on his track record, which was a very stupid move if they thought he would be stupid enough to follow along

5-the fact that this interview comes only a week after a blatant lie of a documentary aired courtesy of abc, disney, and presumably carl rove, dealing with the exact same false claim (claiming to be based on the 9-11 commision report, but later tagged with a subtle disclaimer that it may or may not be true after much pressure)

just to name a few
many reasons why he would be upset

I didn't see it myself. However I am surprised that there aren't more conservative posts in this thread since the interview was on Fox. Where are the Fox Fans?

Originally posted by Quiero Mota
I liked how Clinton didn't take any shit and immediately put Wallace in his place whenever he pulled that accusation crap on him.

I wasn't surprised Chris Wallace did that, after all, it is FOX News.

Go Willie!

Exactly. Its nice to hear Bill speak again.

Originally posted by docb77
I didn't see it myself. However I am surprised that there aren't more conservative posts in this thread since the interview was on Fox. Where are the Fox Fans?

it requires that they view it, and formulate an opinion, as opposed to regurgitating canned talking points. thus the drought

what i dont like about clinton is he seems too desperate to maintain political ties with the current administration (its known that him and bush sr. are quite buddy/buddy and notice how quickly hillary jumped on the iraq bandwagon) that he dances around the question that he should have asked. "how come you never asked bush this question, of why he never "connected the dots" (a stupid phrase since the past administration already connected the dots when the next one came in and ignored it) and why he also put his career ahead of national security.

i find it slightly more important since one is the leader on the "war on terror" and realistically leader of the free world, while the other can only hope to advise at best at this point. he alluded to the question but wasnt specific. he didnt forget, mind you. he consciously left the names 'bush' 'rumsfeld' and 'cheney' out of the discussion of "woulda coulda shoulda". notice that?

"We tried and we failed".

Wow, it's really refreshing to hear honesty like that from a political figure.

Anyways, very interesting interview, it was nice to see Clinton speaking again.

Originally posted by Draco69
It DOES make me wonder why Clinton was so angry and defensive about it. Guy just asked a question. If Clinton had nothing to worry about, he wouldn't have gotten all foamy at the mouth...

Guy just asked a question? Do you honestly no get what was going on there?

[Just nevermind for now.]

Originally posted by FeceMan
[Just nevermind for now.]

say it

Originally posted by PVS
say it

EDIT: WHAT THE HELL. There's like a 10-year-old non-retard on TV who drooled.