Man... I'd really love to meet you in real life, JIA... just to see if you really are that brainwashed... maybe you're just having a laugh... you know... trying to piss off some atheists? EH? If you're not... and truly believe what you type on this site... ****... I really feel for you... I do.... seriously... ! WAKE UP! What you were told is wrong! Simple! INCORRECT!
Originally posted by ThePittman
I never said that an amphibian was a fish, and how do you know that it was always an amphibian? Yes some whales do have vestigial legs and are a close kin to hippos, so why would to "different" species and environments be so similar?Just as many things that you can say that animals can't do I can name 10 that "humans" can't do. So for you definition of a non-animal is that they must be able to think in abstract thought, they must be able to commit a crime and write just to name a few? You have said nothing that proves that humans are not animals.
Humans need to consume food so do animals.
Humans have DNA so do animals.
Humans reproduce so do animals.
Humans care for their offspring so do animals.
Humans teach their offspring so do animals.
Humans have emotions so do animals.
Humans grow old and die so do animals.If humans and animals are so different then why is the medicine we use on ourselves the same stuff that vets use? The biology of most manuals is very similar to our own, your level of zoology and animal behavior is best the level of a 5th grader and this is getting pointless at best. The plain and simple fact is that humans are animals and part of the animal kingdom the only difference is that we are at the top only due to the use of tools.
Another question for you, if things never evolved as you say and a dolphin was always a dolphin then why are there no fossils of them 10,000 years ago, where did they come from if not evolving from something else?
[QUOTE=8863831]Originally posted by ThePittman
I never said that an amphibian was a fish, and how do you know that it was always an amphibian? Yes some whales do have vestigial legs and are a close kin to hippos, so why would to "different" species and environments be so similar?
How do you know that it was not always an amphibian? Similarity does not suggest common ancestry.
Just as many things that you can say that animals can't do I can name 10 that "humans" can't do. So for you definition of a non-animal is that they must be able to think in abstract thought, they must be able to commit a crime and write just to name a few? You have said nothing that proves that humans are not animals.
Humans are far superior in terms of what they can do. No animal can pray to God, read the Bible, and then purpose to live in accordance with its principles. No animal can resolve to turn over a new leaf and live right. (The thought has never occurred to them because they cannot reason). No animal can love its enemy (it may grow up with that enemy as you see some dogs and cats do and become accustomed to one another) but that is not love.
Humans need to consume food so do animals.
Humans have DNA so do animals.
Humans reproduce so do animals.
Humans care for their offspring so do animals.
Humans teach their offspring so do animals.
Humans have emotions so do animals.
Humans grow old and die so do animals.
Humans and animals both have souls, but animals do not have spirits. Humans are spirit, soul, and body, whereas animals are only soul and body. Humans have a conscious and are capable of demonstrating morality. But animals do not and cannot display morality. There is no higher law for animals, they live by a totally different system than humans live under. Animals kill without any sense of wrongdoing. It is not a crime to kill an animal (all things being equal) for food, but you would go to jail for life for killing a human being for food. Why is there this "natural" double standard? I will tell you why: because society "instinctively" knows that there is a difference between humans and animals. But yet animals kill each other all the time without remorse. Why is this? Because animals don't have remorse. Certain animals are protected because they are perhaps on the verge of being extinct. Why aren't animals taken to jail for killing other animals? I thought that humans were animals (If humans are animals, then that implies that animals are human)? Why don't humans and animals intermarry? I thought that humans were animals and animals were human? Why don't companies hire animals to work for them and give them medical benefits, life insurance, and a pension plan? Why don't animals pay any taxes or FICA? But I thought that humans were animals and animals were human? Why don't animals purchase real estate instead living in the jungle or water? Why don't some birds take a vacation from flying and get on board an airplane instead of flying south for the winter? In fact, why do some birds fly south for the winter? Glad you asked, because of instinct implanted in them by God.
If humans and animals are so different then why is the medicine we use on ourselves the same stuff that vets use? The biology of most manuals is very similar to our own, your level of zoology and animal behavior is best the level of a 5th grader and this is getting pointless at best. The plain and simple fact is that humans are animals and part of the animal kingdom the only difference is that we are at the top only due to the use of tools.
Wrong, you have failed to show why humans are animals.
How did humans get those tools? Why have humans always been superior to animals? Why don't animals get with the program and surpass humans as the dominant species? I'll tell you why: they don't have reason so the thought has never once occurred to them. Animals just go about their lives obliviously and incognizant of their status with respect to humans. They don't have the reason to no better nor otherwise. Animals couldn't care less about rising above humans. Animals don't even know that they are animals (they don't have this self-awareness). But humans know that they are not animals. We know that we are vastly different from animals. Animals live their lives without any ambition or purpose other than to eat and take care of their young. They aren't in any rat race or trying to make ends meet. They have no financial concerns or debts. They aren't concerned with investing for retirement or saving for their offspring's education. They don't devise wills or living trusts to bequeath their wealth to their descendants. Why is there so much contrast between humans and animals? There is so much dissimilarity between humans and animals because animals don't have reason, and because humans are not animals.
Another question for you, if things never evolved as you say and a dolphin was always a dolphin then why are there no fossils of them 10,000 years ago, where did they come from if not evolving from something else?
http://www.thedolphinplanet.org/news/news005.htm (dolphin fossil)
http://www.abc.net.au/news/specials/antarcticsummer/stories/fossils.htm (dolphin fossils)
Dolphins came from God's spoken word. God spoke and all bodies of water began to teem with sea creatures of every kind.
Genesis 1:20-21
20 Then God said, “Let the waters abound with an abundance of living creatures, and let birds fly above the earth across the face of the firmament of the heavens.” 21 So God created great sea creatures and every living thing that moves, with which the waters abounded, according to their kind, and every winged bird according to its kind. And God saw that it was good.
Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
Perhaps losing their legs was not the punishment, traveling on their belly was.
And as I stated before, how is that punishment when they are so well adapted to traveling on their stomachs?
oooo trivia question: what is it that humans have, that no other mammal posseses, but is also found on reptiles and birds? This question is anatomy related.
Originally posted by JesusIsAliveAgain you skip over the points that you have no answer to and then just throw in the bible thumbing, the links you have posted are not of modern dolphins but of an extinct species which modern dolphins have evolved from, way to prove my point. What about all the new species of life that have come to be in the last 2000 years, did God make them too?
[QUOTE=8863831]Originally posted by ThePittman
I never said that an amphibian was a fish, and how do you know that it was always an amphibian? Yes some whales do have vestigial legs and are a close kin to hippos, so why would to "different" species and environments be so similar?How do you know that it was not always an amphibian? Similarity does not suggest common ancestry.
Just as many things that you can say that animals can't do I can name 10 that "humans" can't do. So for you definition of a non-animal is that they must be able to think in abstract thought, they must be able to commit a crime and write just to name a few? You have said nothing that proves that humans are not animals.
Humans are far superior in terms of what they can do. No animal can pray to God, read the Bible, and then purpose to live in accordance with its principles. No animal can resolve to turn over a new leaf and live right. (The thought has never occurred to them because they cannot reason). No animal can love its enemy (it may grow up with that enemy as you see some dogs and cats do and become accustomed to one another) but that is not love.
Humans need to consume food so do animals.
Humans have DNA so do animals.
Humans reproduce so do animals.
Humans care for their offspring so do animals.
Humans teach their offspring so do animals.
Humans have emotions so do animals.
Humans grow old and die so do animals.Humans and animals both have souls, but animals do not have spirits. Humans are spirit, soul, and body, whereas animals are only soul and body. Humans have a conscious and are capable of demonstrating morality. But animals do not and cannot display morality. There is no higher law for animals, they live by a totally different system than humans live under. Animals kill without any sense of wrongdoing. It is not a crime to kill an animal (all things being equal) for food, but you would go to jail for life for killing a human being for food. Why is there this "natural" double standard? I will tell you why: because society "instinctively" knows that there is a difference between humans and animals. But yet animals kill each other all the time without remorse. Why is this? Because animals don't have remorse. Certain animals are protected because they are perhaps on the verge of being extinct. Why aren't animals taken to jail for killing other animals? I thought that humans were animals (If humans are animals, then that implies that animals are human)? Why don't humans and animals intermarry? I thought that humans were animals and animals were human? Why don't companies hire animals to work for them and give them medical benefits, life insurance, and a pension plan? Why don't animals pay any taxes or FICA? But I thought that humans were animals and animals were human? Why don't animals purchase real estate instead living in the jungle or water? Why don't some birds take a vacation from flying and get on board an airplane instead of flying south for the winter? In fact, [B]why do
some birds fly south for the winter? Glad you asked, because of instinct implanted in them by God.If humans and animals are so different then why is the medicine we use on ourselves the same stuff that vets use? The biology of most manuals is very similar to our own, your level of zoology and animal behavior is best the level of a 5th grader and this is getting pointless at best. The plain and simple fact is that humans are animals and part of the animal kingdom the only difference is that we are at the top only due to the use of tools.
Wrong, you have failed to show why humans are animals.
How did humans get those tools? Why have humans always been superior to animals? Why don't animals get with the program and surpass humans as the dominant species? I'll tell you why: they don't have reason so the thought has never once occurred to them. Animals just go about their lives obliviously and incognizant of their status with respect to humans. They don't have the reason to no better nor otherwise. Animals couldn't care less about rising above humans. Animals don't even know that they are animals (they don't have this self-awareness). But humans know that they are not animals. We know that we are vastly different from animals. Animals live their lives without any ambition or purpose other than to eat and take care of their young. They aren't in any rat race or trying to make ends meet. They have no financial concerns or debts. They aren't concerned with investing for retirement or saving for their offspring's education. They don't devise wills or living trusts to bequeath their wealth to their descendants. Why is there so much contrast between humans and animals? There is so much dissimilarity between humans and animals because animals don't have reason, and because humans are not animals.
Another question for you, if things never evolved as you say and a dolphin was always a dolphin then why are there no fossils of them 10,000 years ago, where did they come from if not evolving from something else?
http://www.thedolphinplanet.org/news/news005.htm (dolphin fossil)
http://www.abc.net.au/news/specials/antarcticsummer/stories/fossils.htm (dolphin fossils)
Dolphins came from God's spoken word. God spoke and all bodies of water began to teem with sea creatures of every kind.
Genesis 1:20-21
20 Then God said, “Let the waters abound with an abundance of living creatures, and let birds fly above the earth across the face of the firmament of the heavens.” 21 So God created great sea creatures and every living thing that moves, with which the waters abounded, according to their kind, and every winged bird according to its kind. And God saw that it was good. [/B]
OH, well guess you will skip over this point again so I'm off to bed, good night to all you animals and to you JIA the omega of the pack. 😉
Originally posted by ThePittman
Again you skip over the points that you have no answer to and then just throw in the bible thumbing, the links you have posted are not of modern dolphins but of an extinct species which modern dolphins have evolved from, way to prove my point. What about all the new species of life that have come to be in the last 2000 years, did God make them too?OH, well guess you will skip over this point again so I'm off to bed, good night to all you animals and to you JIA the omega of the pack. 😉
God made every form of life that exists now, and that existed in the past. Actually, God created the first adult male and female of every species of life initially so that they could mate and perpetuate the process of reproducing down to us today.
What points did I skip over? I answered every statement and question. Bible thumping? I wrote over 600 words (all my own, not one single Bible verse) before seeing it fitting to include those Scripture references at the end in response to your question. What did you want me to say that dolphins evolved? I would have been lying to you if I had said that.
Good night brother, sleep tight, and don't let the evolutionary bed bugs bite (Just kidding).
😄
Originally posted by JesusIsAliveSome things that you have skipped over
God made every form of life that exists now, and that existed in the past. Actually, God created the first adult male and female of every species of life initially so that they could mate and perpetuate the process of reproducing down to us today.What points did I skip over? I answered every statement and question. Bible thumping? I wrote over 600 words (all my own, not one single Bible verse) before seeing it fitting to include those Scripture references at the end in response to your question. What did you want me to say that dolphins evolved? I would have been lying to you if I had said that.
Good night brother, sleep tight, and don't let the evolutionary bed bugs bite (Just kidding).
😄
Medicine used for humans is the same for mammals which as the same genetic makeup as us, if we are different from the animals how does "our medicine" work on them?
How do you explain animals like the octopus being able to problem solve and open the glass jar if they can not reason? How do you explain the bird using tools to get to food and not only using but modify the tool to make it more effective if animals can not invent?
If you say that animals haven't evolved from one from to another and that at the time of creation that all life on Earth was created by God than there would be fossil records of the modern dolphin, dog, bunny and what ever from that time on. So where are they?
You said that Neanderthals were not animals because the bread with modern humans but what about Homo habilis, Homo erectus, Neanderthals, Cro-Magnons?
Humpback whales do have vestigial legs as do dolphins, fish and many other species.
If you have really studied anything about animal biology you would know that they evolve. I'm not talking about humans and monkeys, you can take that out of the equation but they do evolve and adapt to their environment and this can easily be shown and reasoned. It is only one that are in fear and denial that say they can't because that would be saying that we came from monkey. My wife goes to CSU vet program and is also Catholic and understands this as well as most of her Catholic and Christian students, teachers and doctors.
If neandertals and humans interbred, then why is it that the same differences between neandertal and premodern human DNA are still evident in comparisons between neandertal and modern human DNA?
Not to mention the differences found in their DNA are located in the same sites as where humans and chimps differ.
Edit: Concerning the snake business, why is it that these snakes with vestigial spurs also have a useless hip structure that is literally suspended by the muscle and organs around it, but is not connected to the rest of the snakes skeletal structure?
Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
Why aren't there any intermediate species of animals today? There should be gradations of each species from the most primordial cell to humans.But there aren't.
You know why?
Because they don't exist.
Needed to bring this up because it annoyed me so much.Evolution is when one set of animals out-lives another because of minute difference's and throught time these difference's become more pronounced as only animals with these differences survive.Look around you humans have evolved over time, if you took a modern baby and a baby from say 1000B.C and trained and treated them identically the modern human would be smarter and stronger as he/she has genes that have been refined over time.
Originally posted by debbiejo
I was always curious about the bombarder beetle though. How could it of evolved. It would of blown it's self up? 😕
http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/bombardier.html
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Originally posted by inimalist
http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/bombardier.html🙂
I'm so glad someone wrote this down permenantly.
Originally posted by {{QS}}
Needed to bring this up because it annoyed me so much.Evolution is when one set of animals out-lives another because of minute difference's and throught time these difference's become more pronounced as only animals with these differences survive.Look around you humans have evolved over time, if you took a modern baby and a baby from say 1000B.C and trained and treated them identically the modern human would be smarter and stronger as he/she has genes that have been refined over time.
Saying that humans have evolved does not make it true.
This has got to be the dumbest thing that I have ever read in my life. { {QS} }, you personally are not dumb, but what you wrote about babies is asinine.