Originally posted by Horrificus
That is silly logic.
Spiderman has proven faster and, in my opinion, a better fighter than Wolverine. Wolverine has beaten Sabertooth.
Scorpion has been able to trash Spiderman.
I say Scorps is too fast, strong, and armored for Sabertooth.
Scorps wins.
... Well it's nice to see that knowing next to nothing about Sabretooth didn't prevent you from posting in this thread.
Originally posted by Horrificusscorpions been able to trash spiderman once.. people often recall the one good display of power he had and mistake that as a majority case.. well it's not.. here on thse boards that's called PIS... spiderman later knocked him out in 3 hits... spiderman also COMMONLY refers to him as a joke, a b-list villain, and a loser...
That is silly logic.
Spiderman has proven faster and, in my opinion, a better fighter than Wolverine. Wolverine has beaten Sabertooth.
Scorpion has been able to trash Spiderman.
I say Scorps is too fast, strong, and armored for Sabertooth.
Scorps wins.
and no spiderman needs to beat wolverine to be a better fighter than wolverine.. he hasn't... so he's not. he is faster though.. but wolverine's irrelivent here... sabretooth is wolverine's superior in every way.... i repeat... EVERY WAY... (save skills).. wolverine loses more often to sabretooth than the other way around. bad analysis and comparison my friend...
now sabretooth on the other hand.. in his classic days he KOed rogue and outslugged ms. marvel.. he's had three upgrades since then and is currently killing wendigo's and plucking speedsters out of the air... scorpion really has no advantages on sabes xept for a range attack.. which may not eve prove useful to him.😬
Originally posted by jinzin
scorpions been able to trash spiderman once.. people often recall the one good display of power he had and mistake that as a majority case.. well it's not.. here on thse boards that's called PIS... spiderman later knocked him out in 3 hits... spiderman also COMMONLY refers to him as a joke, a b-list villain, and a loser...and no spiderman needs to beat wolverine to be a better fighter than wolverine.. he hasn't... so he's not. he is faster though.. but wolverine's irrelivent here... sabretooth is wolverine's superior in every way.... i repeat... EVERY WAY... (save skills).. wolverine loses more often to sabretooth than the other way around. bad analysis and comparison my friend...
now sabretooth on the other hand.. in his classic days he KOed rogue and outslugged ms. marvel.. he's had three upgrades since then and is currently killing wendigo's and plucking speedsters out of the air... scorpion really has no advantages on sabes xept for a range attack.. which may not eve prove useful to him.😬
All I know, is that without the extensive skills Logan has, Spiderman has been able to match him.
That, to me, says that SM's inate skills and attributes, make him a better fighter.
And, in my opinion, the most important meeting they ever had, ended up with Spiderman FIRST having the ability to wrench Logans neck, which would, while not breaking his neck, would have severed his all-too-human spinal cord. And, as you guys have said, since SM IS faster than Logan, I say he had the opporntunity to kill Logan, BEFORE Logan was able to bring his claws into play, ending in a stalemate.
And, even if it WAS only once, Scorps has defeated Spidey, and matched him several other times. Which Logan has NOT done.
Anyway, sorry if I ruffled yer feathers about Sabertooth. First of all, I know plenty about him. Second, do not bring the Wendigo deal up to me, because I think that is just more X-Trash writing. It should end up being explained as a "Dream Sequence" eventually. But, all you guys that are typing right now, while wearing Creed-covered undies, just stay cool. I won't go any farther.
My entire point was, that Spidey, Logan and Sabertooth are all roughly at the same level.
And, Scorps deserves a place right there by them. And, occasionally, higher.
Like now.
Originally posted by SpunkySmurfyup... 😈
Oh no... here it comes
Originally posted by HorrificusBECAUSE he has super powers...
All I know, is that without the extensive skills Logan has, Spiderman has been able to match him.
Originally posted by Horrificuseven though he's lost the majorityof their confrontations.. or looked worse in comparsion?
That, to me, says that SM's inate skills and attributes, make him a better fighter.
Originally posted by Horrificuswhy is THAT their most important meeting? because it fits with your opinion instead of with what's consistent?
And, in my opinion, the most important meeting they ever had, ended up with Spiderman FIRST having the ability to wrench Logans neck, which would, while not breaking his neck, would have severed his all-too-human spinal cord.
also: severed... 😐
would it? really?
again.. sabretooth ALREADY TRIED... he did the EXACT same thing that spiderman was going to attempt.. logan was still fighting back.. the attack DID NOTHING.
Originally posted by Horrificus
And, as you guys have said, since SM IS faster than Logan, I say he had the opportunity to kill Logan, BEFORE Logan was able to bring his claws into play, ending in a stalemate.
IF logan had his claws out when he tackled spiderman.. IF logan had them out when he punched spiderman in the face then there wouldn't have been a "stalemate" to begin with.. and again it wasn't a stalemate.. wolverine would have killed spidey.. spidey WOULD HAVE FAILED trying to do the same.
Originally posted by Horrificus
And, even if it WAS only once, Scorps has defeated Spidey, and matched him several other times. Which Logan has NOT done.
so when logan ended up in a "stalemate" in which only logan could have delivered the final blow that wasn't a win by default?
when logan had the change to put his claws into spiderman's face and he didn't that wasn't matching spiderman?
when logan stabbed spiderman and knocked him out via blood loss that wasn't an outright win?
when logan flip kicked spiderman in the balls and left him a huddled over mass of unconcious that wasn't a superior showing? yes wolverine certainly has NOT done thse things.. 🙄
Originally posted by Horrificuswhy not?
Anyway, sorry if I ruffled yer feathers about Sabertooth. First of all, I know plenty about him. Second, do not bring the Wendigo deal up to me,
Originally posted by Horrificusand yet scorpions ONE good showing is perfectly acceptable?
because I think that is just more X-Trash writing. It should end up being explained as a "Dream Sequence" eventually.
Originally posted by Horrificushe'll be deserving of such a place when he earns one...
But, all you guys that are typing right now, while wearing Creed-covered undies, just stay cool. I won't go any farther.
My entire point was, that Spidey, Logan and Sabertooth are all roughly at the same level.
And, Scorps deserves a place right there by them. And, occasionally, higher.
Like now.
cap has punched him out in 5 panals.. he's nothing special.
Originally posted by jinzin
yup... 😈so when logan ended up in a "stalemate" in which only logan could have delivered the final blow that wasn't a win by default?
when logan had the change to put his claws into spiderman's face and he didn't that wasn't matching spiderman?
when logan stabbed spiderman and knocked him out via blood loss that wasn't an outright win?
when logan flip kicked spiderman in the balls and left him a huddled over mass of unconcious that wasn't a superior showing? yes wolverine certainly has NOT done thse things.. 🙄
Do have scans of Wolvie defeating Spiderman in the manner that was quoted?
Don't get me wrong, I believe you. I would just like to see it.
Wolverine's most potent power, when fighting "real" heroes, is that he is able to go full out, slicing, stabbing, and doing pretty much anything he feels like doing, (which is an enviable triat with a lot of people who suffer from low-honor count, and a condition known as "thinkitus coolicus 2 beathugitus". I'm sorry for my shabby latin.)
Anyway, to my mind, any time I see Logan in a fight against a character that has been written in a way that shows they are trying to accomplish a non-lethal, or non-maiming victory, I will always give them points over Wolverine.
Spidey and Cap hold back. They were written in a time when it was a good thing to be known as a "Good Guy". They were written to be heroes.
Logan is a "garbage" character that caters to the portion of Marvel's client-base who are striving to achieve a "Thug-Mentality".
Spidey holds back. Cap is NOT a psycho. They do not relish blood and butchery.
Originally posted by jinzin
yup.. 3 of their fights can be found around pages 60-80 of the spiderman vs. cap/daredevil/wolverine thread.. but I don't have the scans off hand.. if you look up that thread they'll be around there somewhere... the flip kick into spiderman's groin... i'm not sure where i posted that..
Yeah, you don't see Spidey and Cap doing a lot of groin attacks or stabbings.
That must be a "weakness".
Dude, you are proving my point, although I can tell that you are not even able to see my point. You are too enraptured by the "berserker violence" thing.
I thought it was agreed that Spidey was faster than Wolvie. If so, then he had Logan around the neck first. Even if Logan stabbed Spidey, that isn't an instant kill.
But, getting your spinal cord torn in half usually has immediate results!
And, no, the bones do not need to break for this to happen.
Spidey would have killed Logan, if the places were switched.