Originally posted by I watch Pokemon
John Stewart was there too. 😆
Exactly, People are trying to put SBP's feats down and it's now working. He killed 32 GL's but he fought much more than that. And the top ones where all there as well. So yeah, SBP beat all the lanters kinds trumps morg's killing of one herald and punking some others. All those lanters >>>>>>>>>> 5 heralds.
Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Flash wasn't the the embodiment of the speedforce until the dismal Flash series began. Him punching, hurting and scaring the shit out of SBP is just that. Strawgrasping extrapolation means nothing.
UR really starting to be funny. bart was the only flash left. He had aged. All the signs where there in crisis that he was the speed force. We just didn't know it until issue one of the flash. bart knew it. That is why he was scared to let it out. OMG. Some people. Bart scaring SBP is not a low showing for sbp given the power at bart's finger tips. Bart is an abstract being now. He IS the Speed force.
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Well we can say that the heralds jobbed when morg beat thier asses too. Is that a fair assessment as well?
So now the fighting really begins. And SBP IS doing good, I'll give him that(but the GL's are STILL only flying and shooting). Oh, but what's that Guy's saying in the LAST panel? "Excessive force has been approved." Well what do you know? THAT'S why they were just flying around blasting. They were just trying to subdue him! They WEREN'T GOING ALL OUT! It's a lot easier when your fighting to kill against someone who's just trying to subdue you. Now let's see how he stands up after the approval...
Well look at that in the SECOND PANEL. ONE blast from Hal rips through SBP's armor and causes him to cry out in pain.
So to say that SBP took on the entire GL Corp's fighting at their best seems to be a bit inaccurate. Don't you think?
Originally posted by darthgoober
Well, lets take a look...
Well, I would first like to point out that all these GL's are just flying around, shooting energy blast. Not using their rings to create a space armada or anything like that, just flying and shooting. Also, if you take a look, all any of them have is your standard body shield. No ultra thick bubble shield or anything like that, just the standard shield.
So now the fighting really begins. And SBP IS doing good, I'll give him that(but the GL's are STILL only flying and shooting). Oh, but what's that Guy's saying in the LAST panel? "Excessive force has been approved." Well what do you know? THAT'S why they were just flying around blasting. They were just trying to subdue him! They WEREN'T GOING ALL OUT! It's a lot easier when your fighting to kill against someone who's just trying to subdue you. Now let's see how he stands up after the approval...
Well look at that in the SECOND PANEL. ONE blast from Hal rips through SBP's armor and causes him to cry out in pain.So to say that SBP took on the entire GL Corp's fighting at their best seems to be a bit inaccurate. Don't you think?
So are we now to assume that the lanterns, who have constantly for thousands of years been able to beat the crap out of high tiered criminals without using excessive force some how forgot how to do that? The lanters are at thier best at ALL times. They dont' some how recognize a universal threat and dont' do thier best until lethal force is authorized.
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirlHow about he does something of even minor import before he gets labelled an abstract? 🙂
Hal absorbed the power of Oa and became abstract. Captain Atom with the full power of the quantum field is abstract. But Bart being the speed force isn't? Laugh all you want. I call it as I see em.
I have a question. If Bart WAS the speed force when he punked SBP, then how do you explain this...
Bart says that he had RESIDUAL speed left over. So what happened? If I'm missing something please tell me. Because from I take that to mean, is that he might not have even been as powerful as he normally was.
Originally posted by darthgoober
Well, lets take a look...
Well, I would first like to point out that all these GL's are just flying around, shooting energy blast. Not using their rings to create a space armada or anything like that, just flying and shooting. Also, if you take a look, all any of them have is your standard body shield. No ultra thick bubble shield or anything like that, just the standard shield.
So now the fighting really begins. And SBP IS doing good, I'll give him that(but the GL's are STILL only flying and shooting). Oh, but what's that Guy's saying in the LAST panel? "Excessive force has been approved." Well what do you know? THAT'S why they were just flying around blasting. They were just trying to subdue him! They WEREN'T GOING ALL OUT! It's a lot easier when your fighting to kill against someone who's just trying to subdue you. Now let's see how he stands up after the approval...
Well look at that in the SECOND PANEL. ONE blast from Hal rips through SBP's armor and causes him to cry out in pain.So to say that SBP took on the entire GL Corp's fighting at their best seems to be a bit inaccurate. Don't you think?
You act as if SBP went all out, did you see SBP effortlessly freeze GL'S? Did you see him effortlessly incinerate GL's? He could have just done that to all of them.
Secondly when they appear to just be flying around him, do you know how fast SBP moves? He dragged a solar system through the universe so fast that time didnt pass and the planets suffered no dammage.
And finally, did you know that SBP when he returned from the Speed force, had no yellow sun light for 3-4 years? Thats what the suite is for, to feed him yellow sunlight; his cells likely had no energy left from being without yellow sunlight for 3-4 years, he was likely running purely off of the suites energy.
It wasn't the red sun radiation that weakened him because hes shown that hes immune to red sun radiation, it was the lack of the suite feeding him yellow sunlight; his cells were empty from being without it for 3-4 years in the speed force.
Finally, if SBP was going all out he could have retconned them, which he does warp reality on a multiversal level, as not only shwon on panel but said by Lex; it is based on his emotion since he cannot yet fully control it.
🙄 1. I was referring to current Flash. 2. 🙄
Originally posted by darthgooberSimple. Retcon when the Flash title began.
I have a question. If Bart WAS the speed force when he punked SBP, then how do you explain this...
Bart says that he had RESIDUAL speed left over. So what happened? If I'm missing something please tell me. Because from I take that to mean, is that he might not have even been as powerful as he normally was.
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
So are we now to assume that the lanterns, who have constantly for thousands of years been able to beat the crap out of high tiered criminals without using excessive force some how forgot how to do that? The lanters are at thier best at ALL times. They dont' some how recognize a universal threat and dont' do thier best until lethal force is authorized.
Originally posted by darthgoober
Well let's see... He's shaking of all their blast when they DON'T have authorization. Then they get it, and Hal's blast seem to have A LOT more of of an effect. So you tell me.
it Tells me that SBP was so powerful that even thier normal best wasn't good enough. That is what it tells me. Your acting as if the universe and oa threatening to be destroyed isn't enough for them to do thier best. SOme how they were dragging thier feat. PLEASE.
Originally posted by Jesse7
You act as if SBP went all out, did you see SBP effortlessly freeze GL'S? Did you see him effortlessly incinerate GL's? He could have just done that to all of them.
[i]Secondly when they appear to just be flying around him, do you know how fast SBP moves? He dragged a solar system through the universe so fast that time didnt pass and the planets suffered no dammage.[/B]Has he got any other speed feats that equal that? Cause with the amount of time his trip took, plus his AVERAGE speed showings, I think that would qualify as either SMvF or PIS. It's funny how fanboys(and girls) forget that someone has to show the ability to do their high end feats CONSISTENTLY for it to count.
[i]And finally, did you know that SBP when he returned from the Speed force, had no yellow sun light for 3-4 years? Thats what the suite is for, to feed him yellow sunlight; his cells likely had no energy left from being without yellow sunlight for 3-4 years, he was likely running purely off of the suites energy.BUT HE STILL HAD ACCESS TO THE ENERGY. So he wasn't running on empty or anything. And I would just like to point out that current Supes WAS weakened by the redsunlight & kryptonite when he KO'd SBP.It wasn't the red sun radiation that weakened him because hes shown that hes immune to red sun radiation, it was the lack of the suite feeding him yellow sunlight; his cells were empty from being without it for 3-4 years in the speed force.[/B]
[i] Finally, if SBP was going all out he could have retconned them, which he does warp reality on a multiversal level, as not only shwon on panel but said by Lex; it is based on his emotion since he cannot yet fully control it. [/B]Well he looked plenty emotional several times through out the last issue, to no effect. Not only that, if he can't control it, then you can't really say that his not using it is him not going all out can you. All you can say is that his plot device wasn't working properly at the moment.
Originally posted by darthgoober
I have a question. If Bart WAS the speed force when he punked SBP, then how do you explain this...
Bart says that he had RESIDUAL speed left over. So what happened? If I'm missing something please tell me. Because from I take that to mean, is that he might not have even been as powerful as he normally was.
He was lying. How simple is that? if you read the flash series, Bart is hiding the fact that he has all of this power. Batman even says in Justice league one that bart still has his powers. He was certain of it. So you Tell me.
Originally posted by darthgoober
And you know he could have done it to them all how? Maybe he didn't get another good shot.Has he got any other speed feats that equal that? Cause with the amount of time his trip took, plus his AVERAGE speed showings, I think that would qualify as either SMvF or PIS. It's funny how fanboys(and girls) forget that someone has to show the ability to do their high end feats CONSISTENTLY for it to count.
BUT HE STILL HAD ACCESS TO THE ENERGY. So he wasn't running on empty or anything. And I would just like to point out that current Supes WAS weakened by the redsunlight & kryptonite when he KO'd SBP.
Well he looked plenty emotional several times through out the last issue, to no effect. Not only that, if he can't control it, then you can't really say that his not using it is him not going all out can you. All you can say is that his plot device wasn't working properly at the moment.
The only point I'm going to argue right now is the energy access one.
(partly because I agree to an extent on the other points, except for the SvsFL because SBP was doing high end feats reguarly)
He had access to the energy that the suite was giving him, lets say the suite fed him a x% of energy every so many minutes, he was never at a high % because he was constantly using the energy he was gaining, he gained 10% he used 10%, etc. etc.
He was never back to full strength when he returned form the speed force, no yellow sunlight for 3-4 years drained his cells completely, the suite was begining to recharge him again, but he was using most of the energy he was gaining.
Thus he likely never went above x% with his gain/spend ratio.
Do you see what im trying to say?
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
it Tells me that SBP was so powerful that even thier normal best wasn't good enough. That is what it tells me. Your acting as if the universe and oa threatening to be destroyed isn't enough for them to do thier best. SOme how they were dragging thier feat. PLEASE.
And you still haven't answered as to why Hal's blast seemed so much more effective(but you don't have to, we both know)
Originally posted by Jesse7
The only point I'm going to argue right now is the energy access one.
(partly because I agree to an extent on the other points)
He had access to the energy that the suite was giving him, lets say the suite fed him a x% of energy every so many minutes, he was never at a high % because he was constantly using the energy he was gaining, he gained 10% he used 10%, etc. etc.He was never back to full strength when he returned form the speed force, no yellow sunlight for 3-4 years drained his cells completely, the suite was begining to recharge him again, but he was using most of the energy he was gaining.
Thus he likely never went above x% with his gain/spend ratio.
Do you see what im trying to say?
(But I TOTALLY understand your ignoring the rest)
Originally posted by darthgoober
And where's the proof of that?(But I TOTALLY understand your ignoring the rest)
Well I think it mentions it in the series some where about being trapped in the speed force for 3-5 years (I dont remember the exact number), and that it was devoid of yellow sunlight (why else would he build a suite that feeds him yellow sunlight).
P.S. of course sbp was knocked out by Supes, they were both powerless, so it came down to physique, and the physique of a built 30 year old>the physique of a 19-20 year old.
Originally posted by Jesse7
Well I think it mentions it in the series some where about being trapped in the speed force for 3-5 years (I dont remember the exact number), and that it was devoid of yellow sunlight (why else would he build a suite that feeds him yellow sunlight).P.S. of course sbp was knocked our by Supes, they were both powerless, so it came down to physique, and the physique of a built 30 year old>the physique of a 19-20 year old
