Superboy-Prime v.s. Morg /w/ WOL

Originally posted by darthgoober
The GL's is like a cosmic police force or army, right? So yes, that means they don't cut loose until they have clearance in situations like this. Now I know that GL's HAVE gone all out without clearance before, but wouldn't that just me MORE proof of the PIS involved?

And you still haven't answered as to why Hal's blast seemed so much more effective(but you don't have to, we both know)

Hal is the strongest GL. It seems he went after the suit. And if the GL's really stood a chance, then how come Superman and Superman PC had to give up thier power for a year and the other lost his life? HMM. makes you wonder. SBP beating the GL"s is indeed a great feat and cannot be discounted. And now that we have proven that Bart IS the speed force, that little bart punked SBP can't be used anymore either. Also, We have always asserted that Hal jordan was much more powerful than most give him credit for. Him being able to hurt Sbp only gives more credance to that feeling.

Originally posted by darthgoober
But you have no proof that he was back at full power. Right? Your just speculating because he's got an S on his chest, and you like them to look good.

Im saying he wasn't at full power, not that he was at full power, and secondly do you any proof to say he was at full power when he came back?

Because most of the showings show that he wasn't...

1. Being trapped for 3-5 years in the speed force with no yellow sunlight

2. Needing to build a suite that feeds him yellow sunlight

3. He has shown that he is immune to k-nite, magic, and red sunlight radiation (Avalon posted the scan recently).

4. The momment he loses the suite he loses his power, likely because he no longer had a power source, and he had no reseveres in his cells from being devoid of yellow sunlight for 3-5 years.

6. Unlike the othersupermen who lost their powers immediately after they went through the sun, SBP still had some power from the suite; he showed this when he used heat vision but it wore out as he used the last of his reserves (Which he had little to none).

Point being, red sun radiation doesnt effect him, it was the lack of yellow sunlight that affected him.

Originally posted by Jesse7
Well I think it mentions it in the series some where about being trapped in the speed force for 3-5 years (I dont remember the exact number), and that it was devoid of yellow sunlight (why else would he build a suite that feeds him yellow sunlight).

P.S. of course sbp was knocked out by Supes, they were both powerless, so it came down to physique, and the physique of a built 30 year old>the physique of a 19-20 year old.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Hal is the strongest GL. It seems he went after the suit. And if the GL's really stood a chance, then how come Superman and Superman PC had to give up thier power for a year and the other lost his life? HMM. makes you wonder. SBP beating the GL"s is indeed a great feat and cannot be discounted. And now that we have proven that Bart IS the speed force, that little bart punked SBP can't be used anymore either. Also, We have always asserted that Hal jordan was much more powerful than most give him credit for. Him being able to hurt Sbp only gives more credance to that feeling.

Originally posted by darthgoober
They weren't powerless, just nearly. And current Supes was continually getting weaker.

Your forgetting that SBP had already stated that he didnt' have any of his power left. Every thing he was getting was from the suit. He was a beast and he was no where near his planet moving power. Superman hadn't experienced any such maximum drainage that SBP had. He spent years in the speed force fighting his way out. He exerted all of his energy. Superman and Superman PC may have went thru the sun with sbp, but they still had a little power left, he had almost none. And he was still handling them for a while until his 16 year old physique took over and Superman's 30 year well built physique knocked him out for the count.

Originally posted by darthgoober
SO your saying that the SINGLE blast from Hal, was more powerful than the 12 combined blast that SBP shook of on the page before? Why is it so hard for you to accept that they weren't going all out? That he was able to take them all on, is still a feat, whether they were holding back or not. He IS a badass(physically anyway, he's still a whiny little b*tch). You need to come to grips with the fact, that he's just not as powerful as you want him to be.

Actually at that point, he wasn't as powerful as his Planet moving self. That is the point that your missing. Anyone who can move planets across the universe so fast that no one and I mean no one notices, is just a beast. No getting around that. Not in the history of Comics has a brick done anything like that. Not even PC superman moved planets cross universe so fast that no one knew. Now when morg can move planets cross the universe so fast that even the God's and abstracts dont' notice, then we'll have a debate. Until then, this is a slaughter of epic proportions. We never even saw what SBP fully powered could do WITH the suit on. OMG. He would own all.

There's no proof that he lost all his power first. You speculating to make him look better. Supes had just flown through a red sun, and was surronded by kryptonite. Hell SBP smashed a piece across his face. And your going to tell me, that Supes had less power avalable?

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Actually at that point, he wasn't as powerful as his Planet moving self. That is the point that your missing. Anyone who can move planets across the universe so fast that no one and I mean no one notices, is just a beast. No getting around that. Not in the history of Comics has a brick done anything like that. Not even PC superman moved planets cross universe so fast that no one knew. Now when morg can move planets cross the universe so fast that even the God's and abstracts dont' notice, then we'll have a debate. Until then, this is a slaughter of epic proportions. We never even saw what SBP fully powered could do WITH the suit on. OMG. He would own all.

Im saying he wasn't at full power, not that he was at full power, and secondly do you any proof to say he was at full power when he came back?

Because most of the showings show that he wasn't...

1. Being trapped for 3-5 years in the speed force with no yellow sunlight

2. Needing to build a suite that feeds him yellow sunlight

3. He has shown that he is immune to k-nite, magic, and red sunlight radiation (Avalon posted the scan recently).

4. The momment he loses the suite he loses his power, likely because he no longer had a power source, and he had no reseveres in his cells from being devoid of yellow sunlight for 3-5 years.

6. Unlike the othersupermen who lost their powers immediately after they went through the sun, SBP still had some power from the suite; he showed this when he used heat vision but it wore out as he used the last of his reserves (Which he had little to none).

Point being, red sun radiation doesnt effect him, it was the lack of yellow sunlight that affected him.

Originally posted by Jesse7
Im saying he wasn't at full power, not that he was at full power, and secondly do you any proof to say he was at full power when he came back?

Because most of the showings show that he wasn't...

1. Being trapped for 3-5 years in the speed force with no yellow sunlight

2. Needing to build a suite that feeds him yellow sunlight

3. He has shown that he is immune to k-nite, magic, and red sunlight radiation (Avalon posted the scan recently).

4. The momment he loses the suite he loses his power, likely because he no longer had a power source, and he had no reseveres in his cells from being devoid of yellow sunlight for 3-5 years.

6. Unlike the othersupermen who lost their powers immediately after they went through the sun, SBP still had some power from the suite; he showed this when he used heat vision but it wore out as he used the last of his reserves (Which he had little to none).

Point being, red sun radiation doesnt effect him, it was the lack of yellow sunlight that affected him.

Originally posted by darthgoober
Did he EVER demonstrate that level of power or speed again? Before or after, the speed force dump. If not, that's SMvF.

What are you talking about? did you read the IC series? SBP had been moving planets across the universe for a while. It was all part of A luthor's plan. SBP was always that powerful. It doesn't take a genious to see that SBP was uber powerful. He was less powerful becuz of the whole Speed force thing. He even stated it on panel. Which would account for MM being able to hurt him a little, and the lanterns being able to hurt him some. Well hal any way. There is no way someone strong enough and fast enough to CONSTANTLY move planets across the universe couldn't have just pushed The earth into Oa. Killing every one and getting the result he wanted. Even in his weakend state, SuperBoy prime was still a threat to the universe. The guardians thought so. 32 gl's lost thier live becuz of this threat. I'm done arguing. The Comic speaks for itself. Interpret it how ever you feel in order to justify you thinking morg wins this fight. I"ll stick with what I read and saw.

Originally posted by darthgoober
I have as much as you have of him NOT being as powerful with the armor, as he was before he was dumped.

@_@??

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
What are you talking about? did you read the IC series? SBP had been moving planets across the universe for a while. It was all part of A luthor's plan. SBP was always that powerful. It doesn't take a genious to see that SBP was uber powerful. He was less powerful becuz of the whole Speed force thing. He even stated it on panel. Which would account for MM being able to hurt him a little, and the lanterns being able to hurt him some. Well hal any way. There is no way someone strong enough and fast enough to CONSTANTLY move planets across the universe couldn't have just pushed The earth into Oa. Killing every one and getting the result he wanted. Even in his weakend state, SuperBoy prime was still a threat to the universe. The guardians thought so. 32 gl's lost thier live becuz of this threat. I'm done arguing. The Comic speaks for itself. Interpret it how ever you feel in order to justify you thinking morg wins this fight. I"ll stick with what I read and saw.

I listed the reasons I think support his weakening from being trapped in the speed force ^_^

Wait, so does the Flash recton mean that this conversation never happened...

Or does it mean that later on Bart found out he still has powers.

Originally posted by Jesse7
I listed the reasons I think support his weakening from being trapped in the speed force ^_^

That was for someone else dear. 🙂

Originally posted by darthgoober
Wait, so does the Flash recton mean that this conversation never happened...

Or does it mean that later on Bart found out he still has powers.

I think what NVR is trying to say, is that bart was lying there, and that he had the speed force the whole time.

Originally posted by Jesse7
I think what NVR is trying to say, is that bart was lying there, and that he had the speed force the whole time.

Originally posted by darthgoober
Wait, so does the Flash recton mean that this conversation never happened...

Or does it mean that later on Bart found out he still has powers.

I already explained this. BART WAS LYING. He didn't want anyone to know he had his powers. He was scared of them. read flash number one. EVen in JLA number one, Batman said that Bart still had his powers after someone said he didnt. Batman was SURE bart had his powers. Even tho bart had told everyone he didn't have them. thanks. very much. Bart was the speed force at that point. and he was hiding it. There was no retcon. DC planned it this way all along. all you have to do is the fact that SBP was scared of bart. Look at the JLA book and realize that Flash number one being written and planned while IC was coming out. So There was no retconn. Bart simply was lying.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
I already explained this. BART WAS LYING. He didn't want anyone to know he had his powers. He was scared of them. read flash number one. EVen in JLA number one, Batman said that Bart still had his powers after someone said he didnt. Batman was SURE bart had his powers. Even tho bart had told everyone he didn't have them. thanks. very much. Bart was the speed force at that point. and he was hiding it. There was no retcon. DC planned it this way all along. all you have to do is the fact that SBP was scared of bart. Look at the JLA book and realize that Flash number one being written and planned while IC was coming out. So There was no retconn. Bart simply was lying.

Originally posted by darthgoober
Hey I was just asking. Don't be a pissey just because I proved that the GL's weren't going all out.

Well dont' be pissy cuz I proved that Bart punking Sbp wasn't a low showing for SBP. 🙂. And You didn't prove much. After hal shot superboy in the arm, superboy grabbed hal and was about to crush him into paste until the supermen showed up. But you almost got me with that one till i picked up my ic book and studied that pic. Notice that after excessive force was authorized, MM says that he suspects that the Gl's can only halt sbp for so long. and Sbp proceeds to break hal's arm thru his " excessive" force shield.