Originally posted by Betageuze
to TSHERN:heeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy.....
this is a TUG OF WAR MATCH...... he neednt HURT Juggernaut....
it is a match of
physical strength... and endurance...
and because of the greater strength of Hercules...
he would win.. in my opinion....
he HAS NOT to hurt Cain...
TSHERN wrote:
Hercules might even be stronger, but he CANNOT hurt the Juggernaut. Many people have fought the Classic Juggernaut, but only person that I've seen hurting him physically (when being in full power) is Vision who phased his hand inside Juggy.
Vision also phased his hand into Mindless Hulk... it didnt fazed him...
Originally posted by Tshern
Hehe, Immortal Thor site has a lot of faults. It says that Hercules is stronger, but it also says:Having that said, Juggernaut wins.
Hercules might even be stronger, but he CANNOT hurt the Juggernaut. Many people have fought the Classic Juggernaut, but only person that I've seen hurting him physically (when being in full power) is Vision who phased his hand inside Juggy.
EDIT: With physical I mean hand to hand combat or such, no sonics or psionics.
And Hulk. And Nimrod.
Also, Jugs doesnt have telepathic abilities to mess with someones head that im aware of.
Bleh, it isent even a case of who i think it wins, i think Jugs would but the sheer fanboysm here that he has never been hurt its madness.
The same way with Herc being "incalculable cl" against Jugs being "cl90"
Cut down the coffe, gentleman.
Strength Level:The Juggernaut possesses Class 100 strength,enabling him to lift (press) over 100 tons. The Juggernaut is said to be unstoppable, and the upper limit to his strength is not known. His strength rivals that of the strongest being on Earth,the Incredible Hulk.
Known Superhuman Powers:The Juggernaut's body is completely invulnerable. His skin cannot be broken and he is incapable of feeling pain or sustaining any form of injury from any conventional physical attack,regardless of the amount of force or energy exerted against him. He can however be jarred or dazed and has some susceptibility to sensory attacks though he is affected considerably less than a normal human being and will recover completely almost as soon as the attack is over. The Juggernaut can generate at will a personal forcefield around himself extending to about 1 foot from his body. This forcefield appears to be completely impenetrable to any level of concussive force or any form of energy blasts regardless of their intensity. The Juggernaut is resistant to all toxins,poisons,gases and disease. He is self-contained by his magic and does not need to eat,drink,breathe,and cannot tire or become exhausted.
strength:
Juggy: Superhuman Class 90 .. (in my opinion... 100tons)
Herc: INCALCULABLE
stamina:
Juggy: IMMEASURABLE
Herc. godlike...
Bring up real point and stop lying evidently you are the fanboy and have no clue to what you are talking about.In a fist fight Juggernaut beats Hercules and in a tug of war match Juggernaut wins.
to TSHERN:heeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy.....
this is a TUG OF WAR MATCH...... he neednt HURT Juggernaut....
it is a match of
physical strength... and endurance...
and because of the greater strength of Hercules...
he would win.. in my opinion....
he HAS NOT to hurt Cain...
I know, I just commented on the statements that said Hercules could beat Juggernaut physically.
And as I posted in my previous message, Juggernaut is unstoppable according to the very same page that you used to prove that Juggernaut is weaker than Hercules. Here we face a situation: Either Hercules isn't necessarily stronger or then Juggernaut is unstoppable. If Juggs is unstoppable, Herc loses, if Herc isn't necessarily stronger, Juggernaut might win.
And normal Hulk hasn't stopped the Juggernaut (or has he? If so, when?), but Thor's godblast did it.
Juggernaut 10/10.
I HAVE OPENED THIS ONE.....
can i bring this whole thing.. DOWN.. to a "good" end
😉
with one more zitate.. (copyright.. by ME 😉
Marvel...
would be NOT Marvel
WITHOUT the likes of
HERCULES... and.... JUGGERNAUT
CLOSING
;-)...
PS: i like you guys outthere... whatever.... i like you... 🙂
(and i mean this NOT sarcastic....)
Originally posted by olympian
And Hulk. And Nimrod.Also, Jugs doesnt have telepathic abilities to mess with someones head that im aware of.
Bleh, it isent even a case of who i think it wins, i think Jugs would but the sheer fanboysm here that he has never been hurt its madness.
The same way with Herc being "incalculable cl" against Jugs being "cl90"
Cut down the coffe, gentleman.
Where did Nimrod actually hit Juggernaut so hard that he was hurt? I only see the sonics hurting him.
Show me a scan where Hulk hurts Juggernaut.
Yeah, I think Immortal Thor website is not the best piece of evidence one can use. Quite a few of the stats there are seriously wrong. Anyways, show me normal Hulk hurting/stopping Juggernaut, Nimrod hurting him and I'll believe you.
Originally posted by big juggy man
Bring up real point and stop lying evidently you are the fanboy and have no clue to what you are talking about.In a fist fight Juggernaut beats Hercules and in a tug of war match Juggernaut wins.
The irony.
In case your too tick to get it, both him and the juggernaut side are being fanboys for the most part.
Juggernaut even classic has been hurt more than once.
His strength level is around the same as Thor and Hulk. Probably equal as he once said.
And this tug of War isent going to be decided by strength alone. Stamina and motion will be tiebreakers and Juggs has it better than Hercules.
Common sense does go a long way.
Originally posted by Tshern
Where did Nimrod actually hit Juggernaut so hard that he was hurt? I only see the sonics hurting him.Show me a scan where Hulk hurts Juggernaut.
Yeah, I think Immortal Thor website is not the best piece of evidence one can use. Quite a few of the stats there are seriously wrong. Anyways, show me normal Hulk hurting/stopping Juggernaut, Nimrod hurting him and I'll believe you.
1- Prof Hulk beating Jugs down in the storyline that involved also the 90`s Avengers. And yes before the backlash that Hulk had when getting out of the mind control. I only have scans of the Herc/Hulk match because i wanted to use it for the debates, ask for that one and someone migth get it.
2- Sonics that wer physically hurting him. It isent much as only counting "punches". Vison also hurt him in a physical way and there was no punch. This is to give food to think about to those who said he was never physically hurt, like i often read.
3- I dont count sites and bios. Never did.
So you weren't really interested in a debate? You just want to get an unreasonable win for your favorite character?
Originally posted by olympian
And this tug of War isent going to be decided by strength alone. Stamina and motion will be tiebreakers and Juggs has it better than Hercules.Common sense does go a long way.
I said the very same thing back on page one, and it was ignored completely.
Originally posted by Betageuze
TSHERN.. i has NEVER said... HURTING.. juggernaut.... (within THIS thread..)we talked about.. STOPPING.....
and SPIDERMAN... STOPPED the Juggernaut (for a while... but he stopped him).. withing the Amazing Spiderman 229+230
who can deny that?
He didn't stop the Juggernaut, he made him walk to a pit which was subsequently filled with concrete. One of the worse plot devices ever, and PIS is invalid here.
Originally posted by olympian
1- Prof Hulk beating Jugs down in the storyline that involved also the 90`s Avengers. And yes before the backlash that Hulk had when getting out of the mind control. I only have scans of the Herc/Hulk match because i wanted to use it for the debates, ask for that one and someone migth get it.2- Sonics that wer physically hurting him. It isent much as only counting "punches". Vison also hurt him in a physical way and there was no punch. This is to give food to think about to those who said he was never physically hurt, like i often read.
3- I dont count sites and bios. Never did.
1. I know the magazine, I just don't have it here. I'll check it during the weekend, though. But at the moment I just can't recall Juggernaut being hurt before the backlash. Or, well, Vision did hurt him. Something that Hercules can't do.
2. He can be physically hurt. I personally mistype that often, you really can hurt physically without going physical. But yeah, he can be hurt as we both know.
3. You shouldn't, way too many flaws...
Originally posted by Dinkus Mayhem
I said the very same thing back on page one, and it was ignored completely.
With beta getting into a argument with Juggernaut66666 and Apolloknigth what would you expect?
Originally posted by Tshern
1. I know the magazine, I just don't have it here. I'll check it during the weekend, though. But at the moment I just can't recall Juggernaut being hurt before the backlash. Or, well, Vision did hurt him. Something that Hercules can't do.2. He can be physically hurt. I personally mistype that often, you really can hurt physically without going physical. But yeah, he can be hurt as we both know.
3. You shouldn't, way too many flaws...
1- When you read it, youll see what i mean. Juggs got winded down by Hulks punches before any backlash happened. Now is it something that would happen often? Cant say. Impossible? Wont even go there.
Originally posted by olympian
I know. I even joked about the tripping bit.With beta getting into a argument with Juggernaut66666 and Apolloknigth what would you expect?
1- When you read it, youll see what i mean. Juggs got winded down by Hulks punches before any backlash happened. Now is it something that would happen often? Cant say. Impossible? Wont even go there.
Agreed, got a bit derailed. But hey, they can argue too, everyone has bad days.
1. Okay, I'll check it out. And it is not something that would happen often, Juggs has been in an all out brawl with savage Hulk and he wasn't tired in the least...
EDIT: What is the rope made of, by the way? I want some shoelaces out of that...