Originally posted by Capt_Fantastic
go back a bit further. They've hated us since the post-colonial times. As their religion told them they could/should
Although the last Shah of Iran prior to the revolution that put the current ruling theocracy in place was actually quite pro-American, or more accurately Pro-Western (one of the reasons he was so unpopular with his people.) He had a lot of western backers and his exile was one of the contributing factors to the US backing of Iraq against Iranian expansionist policies.
It's not really their religion Capt, that's just an outlet. But ever since the fall of the Eastern Roman Empire the west and the Middle East has been at war with eachother, through crusades through the Ottoman expansion through WWI and WWII colonization. The hatred is fed through religion as much as anything but religion isn't the reason at least not the only reason.
If you would read what England did after WWI to the people there, it's more then just a bit cruel and it can make you understand their hatred to at least England, the US came later but kinda took over because of their huge support for Israel. The leaders in those country's are smart enough to use religion for their own personal goals and to make the people support them but they had plenty to make the people angry with without the religious aspect.
Re: Iranian's love art too...
Originally posted by RobtardOne thing to take note though, drawings insulting to holocaust victims and survivors do not result in Jews rioting and burning. Unlike similar insults to Muslims.
Originally posted by Robtard
One thing to take note though, drawings insulting to holocaust victims and survivors do not result in Jews rioting and burning. Unlike similar insults to Muslims.
Its up to the extremists to note this. Now they know that they did not achieve the same reaction they had with the Danish Press, they MIGHT change their mentality.
But we know what situations are in their countries. They Have God & Muhammed. And that is all they have in barren land.
In western countries our God is: T.V., Comfort Food, Career, Internet, Sex, Alocohol, Fast Cars, Designer Clothes, Soccer, BAsketball, Hockey, Beaches, Porn, Internet, DVDs, Rock Bands, Hugh Heffner, Stand Up Comedians, Jets, Dollars, Cocaine, Adriana Lima, Peaqnut Butter & Jelly, Viagra, Pizza, The $500 pair of shoes, Power Boats, Suckling Pig, Computers, JAck Black and the latest Cell Phone.
Originally posted by Imperial_Samura
Although the last Shah of Iran prior to the revolution that put the current ruling theocracy in place was actually quite pro-American, or more accurately Pro-Western (one of the reasons he was so unpopular with his people.) He had a lot of western backers and his exile was one of the contributing factors to the US backing of Iraq against Iranian expansionist policies.
And that's why the barbary pirates took effect? Jefferson had to bomb them from teh bay to get them to stop their shit.
Originally posted by Capt_Fantastic
Oh no, I'm not advocating excuses. I'm advocating non-action on the part of an individual in a region populated by other countries that don't have the benefit of the modern western world having created them out of thin air. I'm saying that Israel shold exist on the global scene under the same circumstances that the rest of us exist under. Soverign rule and concern. A foothold in the middle east has been a huge concern of the western world since the middle ages. And my question is why? Many of the people I consider well-informed and well-educated on this topic have fallen short as to why we, the US, should sacrifice ourselves and our standing based soley on the well being of Israel. We gave them a country, beyond our right to do so, but gave it to them none them less....and now it's time for them to operate as an independant nation. If there is such a thing.
Israel does exist on it's own, the only thing that would happen if we stopped support would be a blood bath in the middle east as certain Islamic countries united to destroy Israel and in return Israel would fight back for survival. As we have seen in the past, Israel can hold its own against several of the Islamic nations. But a fight like this would only cause world wide instability, and who wants that?
The Middle East question, back in the day, the west wanted a foothold for trade and for religious purposes, "holy Land" and all that blah blah blah. Now we need it for oil/trade. So we "sacrifice" ourselves for our own good, not necessarily just for Israel.
Originally posted by Fishy
It's not really their religion Capt, that's just an outlet. But ever since the fall of the Eastern Roman Empire the west and the Middle East has been at war with eachother, through crusades through the Ottoman expansion through WWI and WWII colonization. The hatred is fed through religion as much as anything but religion isn't the reason at least not the only reason.If you would read what England did after WWI to the people there, it's more then just a bit cruel and it can make you understand their hatred to at least England, the US came later but kinda took over because of their huge support for Israel. The leaders in those country's are smart enough to use religion for their own personal goals and to make the people support them but they had plenty to make the people angry with without the religious aspect.
Did to the people where?
Originally posted by Robtard
Israel does exist on it's own, the only thing that would happen if we stopped support would be a blood bath in the middle east as certain Islamic countries united to destroy Israel
then it clearly doesn't exist on its own, does it? Even it's former Prime Minister has said as much.
Originally posted by Robtard
Israel does exist on it's own, the only thing that would happen if we stopped support would be a blood bath in the middle east as certain Islamic countries united to destroy Israel and in return Israel would fight back for survival. As we have seen in the past, Israel can hold its on against several of the Islamic nations. But a fight like this would only cause world wide instability, and who wants that?The Middle East question, back in the day, the west wanted a foothold for trade and for religious purposes, "holy Land" and all that blah blah blah. Now we need it for oil/trade. So we "sacrifice" ourselves for our own good, not necessarily just for Israel.
Israel would have been long gone if it wasn't for the US.
apparently Israel can order 2 billion of US weapons each year for free without backing of Congress, no other country can do that in the US. Not even it's allies in western Europe can order weapons there without it first being approved by congress..
Isreal is getting their weapons from the US, right now they might not need the US anymore but they did at the start....
Originally posted by Capt_Fantastic
And that's why the barbary pirates took effect? Jefferson had to bomb them from teh bay to get them to stop their shit.
Oh, I'm not saying they didn't have trouble with them or there were anti-west sentiments stemming from colonial matters, just that the last Shah and his administration where seen as pro-Western, and received a lot of backing from the West - which led to the point you were making since it led to him being exiled and a theocracy imposed.
Oh course the last Shah was more often more like a dictator, and there were internal problems that contributed to the anger his policies were causing.
Originally posted by Fishy
Israel would have been long gone if it wasn't for the US.apparently Israel can order 2 billion of US weapons each year for free without backing of Congress, no other country can do that in the US. Not even it's allies in western Europe can order weapons there without it first being approved by congress..
Isreal is getting their weapons from the US, right now they might not need the US anymore but they did at the start....
In the beginning yes, now it can pretty much hold it's own.
On that note, no country has complete independance from others, not even big bad America.
Re: Iranian's love art too...
Originally posted by Robtard
In response to the Danish press drawing a cartoon of Mohammed, the Iranian's held a holocaust drawing contest. Not sure where the conection is.http://switch5.castup.net/frames/20041020_MemriTV_Popup/video_480x360.asp?ai=214&ar=1280wmv&ak=null
One thing to take note though, drawings insulting to holocaust victims and survivors do not result in Jews rioting and burning. Unlike similar insults to Muslims.
🤨 What the hell is wrong with those ****ers???