Crossbones Vs Wolverine and Shatterstar

Originally posted by Alfheim
Um he has had his adamantuim upgraded I dont know about his healing factor, can you give me something in black and white to prove it.

That depends on how powerful the explosion is his healing factor can get overloaded. You're right poison wont do jack.

I see so someone who is good enough to fight cap is not going to cause Wolvie any problems? Someone who is good enough to be sent to kill Gambit and The Kingpin is crap, right? Crossbones was fighting Bullseye but Typhoid Mary stopped him he is a dangerous martial artist and on his own without prep would probably lose but he is good enough to give Wolverine trouble.

P.S. Its ok im reading about W's healign factor in wikipedia....

No. He wont cause him any trouble at all, Maybe if it was one on one and hand to hand. But its not and Crossbone has to fight Shatterstar aswell. He gets badly owned. its two on one what do you possibly expect? He gets owned every single time.

Originally posted by V for Valentine
No. He wont cause him any trouble at all, Maybe if it was one on one and hand to hand. But its not and Crossbone has to fight Shatterstar aswell. He gets badly owned. its two on one what do you possibly expect? He gets owned every single time.

Well if you say so...yes. Captain America was able to injure Wolverine temporaily so he could not seath his claws. So what you're telling me somebody who can fight Captain America H2H and who almost outsmarted him with a booby trap cant find a way to overload Wolverine's healing factor?

He gets a WEEKS prep! To tell you the truth he probably wouldnt pull it off but knowing his track record he could put them both through hell and escape if it didn't work.

That still counts as a loss, 10/10 for the team. The thing that you seem to be misunderstanding is just because hes thought someone doesnt mean he thinks the same. Cap's incredibly intelligent and knows Wolverine very well, very few people have managed to make him not pop his claws.

And aswell, do you know anything about crossbones? Because of the little you have mentioned it doesnt seem like you do. And you are frequent to wikipedia so im gathering you read about him and thought it would be a good fight?

On topic. 10/10 To the pair.

Originally posted by Alfheim
Well if you say so...yes. Captain America was able to injure Wolverine temporaily so he could not seath his claws. So what you're telling me somebody who can fight Captain America H2H and who almost outsmarted him with a booby trap cant find a way to overload Wolverine's healing factor?

He gets a WEEKS prep! To tell you the truth he probably wouldnt pull it off but knowing his track record he could put them both through hell and escape if it didn't work.

why do you always bring that was fighting against captain america crap? did he ever won against captain america? no , wolverine did beat captain america but if you ask me i say that wolverine and captain america are at same level , but captain america doesnt have healing factor, or claws that if wolverine puts them in crossbones he is dead

you lean on this prep thing, it wont help him too much i mean do you think wolverine is just going to stand and say alright do to me what ever you planed? hell no , he will fight and crossbones will have to protect himself but wolverine will take him down , saying that crossbones will take wolverine is really unreal i saw a lot of fans who stick with there characters( ahhmmm wolverine fans ahmmm) but i never saw a crossbones fan and one that thinks that crossbone can be compared to captain america and taskmaster

Originally posted by V for Valentine
That still counts as a loss, 10/10 for the team. The thing that you seem to be misunderstanding is just because hes thought someone doesnt mean he thinks the same. Cap's incredibly intelligent and knows Wolverine very well, very few people have managed to make him not pop his claws.

The point is this he used his HANDS, what do you think an expert like Crossbones could do with explosives?

Originally posted by V for Valentine

And aswell, do you know anything about crossbones? Because of the little you have mentioned it doesnt seem like you do. And you are frequent to wikipedia so im gathering you read about him and thought it would be a good fight?

Yes I do I used have comics of his early appearances where he fought Cap and almost killed him with one of his traps. As for his later appearances I can only go to wiki and marvel.com

Originally posted by V for Valentine

On topic. 10/10 To the pair.

Again if you say so, you are just ignoring important points.

Originally posted by hank_mccoy
why do you always bring that was fighting against captain america crap? did he ever won against captain america? no , wolverine did beat captain america but if you ask me i say that wolverine and captain america are at same level , but captain america doesnt have healing factor, or claws that if wolverine puts them in crossbones he is dead

What dont you get??? The Wrecker has tried to beat Capatin America...are you telling me that The Wrecker cant beat Wolverine??? I have seen a scan of The Wrecker totaly owning Wolverine! I will explain to you again.....

It doesnt matter how powerful a villain is 9 times out of 10 they will lose , but the heroes they fight is an indication of how tough they are

Therefore this means that Crossbones could give Wolverine a good fight but will lose in the end...thats why he has a weeks prep

Originally posted by hank_mccoy

you lean on this prep thing, it wont help him too much i mean do you think wolverine is just going to stand and say alright do to me what ever you planed? hell no , he will fight and crossbones will have to protect himself but wolverine will take him down , saying that crossbones will take wolverine is really unreal i saw a lot of fans who stick with there characters( ahhmmm wolverine fans ahmmm) but i never saw a crossbones fan and one that thinks that crossbone can be compared to captain america and taskmaster

Of course not! Do the math Cap is probably a better strategist than Wolverine and Crossbones almost outsmarted him, those are the facts wether you like it or not.

Since he has to deal with Shatterstar as well he has a weeks prep!

Originally posted by Alfheim
The point is this he used his HANDS, what do you think an expert like Crossbones could do with explosives?

Yes I do I used have comics of his early appearances where he fought Cap and almost killed him with one of his traps. As for his later appearances I can only go to wiki and marvel.com

Again if you say so, you are just ignoring important points.

No im not.

Your ignoring for Wolverine
Adamantium skeleton,
Healing factor which will negate most poisons and render most of the few injuries Crossbones can incurr meaningless.
Adamantium claws which will easily finish this match. (off with crossbones head).
Fighting skills and experience that is argueably some of the best in the marvel Universe.

Wolverine has more than what it takes to defeat Crossbones. Along with Shatterstar it renders the match more or less unloseable for the team.

and i cant remembe SS's skills etc, Id look but my comps on the scitz.
He's got hollow bones which make him super agile,
His swords are made of some otherworldy metal and he has the power to send vibrations through them and energy blasts i think.
He was made and trained to be a fighter ALL his life.

How can they not win 10/10? 😐 They do so. With relative ease together.

Originally posted by Alfheim
The point is this he used his HANDS, what do you think an expert like Crossbones could do with explosives?

Yes I do I used have comics of his early appearances where he fought Cap and almost killed him with one of his traps. As for his later appearances I can only go to wiki and marvel.com

Again if you say so, you are just ignoring important points.

noooo the point is my friend, is that none of this stuff can really beat these two or either one of them.

Cap is peak human not a alien or a superhuman mutant that both are stronger, faster and better fighters then Crossbones... oh and they both have a healing factor.

Originally posted by Alfheim

Of course not! Do the math Cap is probably a better strategist than Wolverine and Crossbones almost outsmarted him, those are the facts wether you like it or not.

almost outsmarted, the key word here is almost , captain america is smart at strategies but in the fighting itself i would say that he and wolverine has the same level , even if he putts wolverine in some trap wolverine got a healing factor, you base all the abilities of crossbone and all his strategy part on a single fight against captain america? sabretooth killed wendigo .... should i base his powers on that fight?

Originally posted by V for Valentine
No im not.

Your ignoring for Wolverine
Adamantium skeleton,
Healing factor which will negate most poisons and render most of the few injuries Crossbones can incurr meaningless.
Adamantium claws which will easily finish this match. (off with crossbones head).
Fighting skills and experience that is argueably some of the best in the marvel Universe.

Hello if Cpatain America can use his hands to injure Wolverine are you trying to tell me an expert who almost outsmarted Cap cannot use explosives to overload the healing factor

Wolverine has more than what it takes to defeat Crossbones. Along with Shatterstar it renders the match more or less unloseable for the team.

Originally posted by V for Valentine

and i cant remembe SS's skills etc, Id look but my comps on the scitz.
He's got hollow bones which make him super agile,

he has enhanced agility he is not Spiderman. When War Machine was firing bullets at him the only reason why he didnt get killed was beacuse he was using rubber bullets.

Originally posted by V for Valentine

His swords are made of some otherworldy metal and he has the power to send vibrations through them and energy blasts i think.
He was made and trained to be a fighter ALL his life.

So, hes probably not a better fighter than Cap or Wolverine. He is not dumb but he is no expert in strategy.

Originally posted by V for Valentine

How can they not win 10/10? 😐 They do so. With relative ease together.

Er no you're not listening...

1. Crossbones knows they are coming and has basic knowledge of both of them.

2. He is an expert at making traps and has had a weeks prep.

3. Before they cant fight him they have to get through the traps. Obvously crossbones will try to split them up and pick them off.

Eventhough he cant beat both of them H2H he is good enough to give them trouble and has had a weeks prep even if they get through the traps.

Originally posted by hank_mccoy
almost outsmarted, the key word here is almost ,

Arghhhhhh!!!! Arent you listening to what im saying......I said.......

It doesnt matter how powerful a villain is 9 times out of 10 they will lose , but the heroes they fight is an indication of how tough they are

Originally posted by Alfheim
Arghhhhhh!!!! Arent you listening to what im saying......I said.......

[B]It doesnt matter how powerful a villain is 9 times out of 10 they will lose , but the heroes they fight is an indication of how tough they are [/B]

so when rhino fought hulk and gave him trouble that means that he is a real bad ass right?

Originally posted by hank_mccoy
so when rhino fought hulk and gave him trouble that means that he is a real bad ass right?

Rhino loses to everyone if you look at his stats he should be a badass. Its the samething with She Hulk Vs The Champion, the Champion should have won but he didnt it was PIS. This forum excludes PIS.

Furthermore Wolfsbane has given Shatterstar trouble, as far as im concerned Crossbones is a better fighter than Wolfsbane.

Or Squirrel Girl? 😐

Crossbone loses 10/10.

Traps wont be of much use against someone with enhanced senses though will they? Obviously he'll split them up? 😐 No not really thats you just enforcing on what you think would be smart to do.

So wait are you trying to say

Cap>>Shatterstar&Wolverine (at the same time?) Rubbish, I havent read the captain America fights. But im guessing Cap won in the end right? or some sort of rematch. How could you possibly think that Crossbones. Who takes out LESSER supervillains and superheroes (like it says in that wiki profile you used) could take down TWO HIGHLY SKILLED mutants, with way more experience and skill than him? No 😐 He loses.

Originally posted by Alfheim
Rhino loses to everyone if you look at his stats he should be a badass. Its the samething with She Hulk Vs The Champion, the Champion should have won but he didnt it was PIS. This forum excludes PIS.

Furthermore Wolfsbane has given Shatterstar trouble, as far as im concerned Crossbones is a better fighter than Wolfsbane.

thats the problem you base everything on characters bios and there stats while i base on the actual fights

why should crossbones be a better fighter then wolfsbane? i never saw him doing anything that can show his skills and if you got some scans to show about him it will be great

and third crossbones aint fighting just against shutterstar he is fighting against him and wolverine , and i am talking about wolverine not shatterstar

at most of your posts you state that crossbones cant take wolverine out but then you try to say that he got a chance against both wolverine and shatterstar? 😕

Originally posted by V for Valentine
Or Squirrel Girl? 😐

Oh I see so youre using Squirrel Girl someone who has the been voted on this forum to have the biggest jobber aura and youre using the example of Rhino who has his own disrespect thread.

So instead of using regular examples you went and chose the most extreme irregular ones....I see.

Originally posted by V for Valentine

Traps wont be of much use against someone with enhanced senses though will they? Obviously he'll split them up? 😐 No not really thats you just enforcing on what you think would be smart to do.

He has basic knowldge of both of them he is smart enough to adapt his traps.

Originally posted by V for Valentine

Cap>>Shatterstar&Wolverine (at the same time?) Rubbish, I havent read the captain America fights. But im guessing Cap won in the end right? or some sort of rematch. How could you possibly think that Crossbones. Who takes out LESSER supervillains and superheroes (like it says in that wiki profile you used) could take down TWO HIGHLY SKILLED mutants, with way more experience and skill than him? No 😐 He loses.

Thats why he has a weeks prep. To tell you the truth he will probably lose but you are underestimating his intelligence. I mean I could have picked Dr Doom instead but I dont wanna do that, I want a bit of a debate.

Originally posted by hank_mccoy
thats the problem you base everything on characters bios and there stats while i base on the actual fights

No I dont I know how smart Crossbones is because I have read comics with him in it, but some of it is based bios and stats.

Originally posted by hank_mccoy

why should crossbones be a better fighter then wolfsbane? i never saw him doing anything that can show his skills and if you got some scans to show about him it will be great

Sorry

Originally posted by hank_mccoy

and third crossbones aint fighting just against shutterstar he is fighting against him and wolverine , and i am talking about wolverine not shatterstar

Originally posted by hank_mccoy

at most of your posts you state that crossbones cant take wolverine out but then you try to say that he got a chance against both wolverine and shatterstar? 😕

No if crossbones fights Wolverine. Wolverine will beat Crossbones 7-8/10. I said he is good enough not get curbstomped. To tell you the truth I dont know about Shatterstar, Crossbones would probably lose 9/10, but Shatterstar is not an expert at strategy and cannot dodge all bullets as seen with his fight with War Machine.

Crossbones will probably lose, but you are underating his smarts he has been sent to kill some pretty high porfile people.

Originally posted by Alfheim
thread.

So instead of using regular examples you went and chose the most extreme irregular ones....I see.

vulture is spider-mans enemy , so vulture is a bad ass?

toad is an x-men enemy so he is a bad ass?

Originally posted by Alfheim

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Crossbones will probably lose, but you are underating his smarts he has been sent to kill some pretty high porfile people.

i didn't say he is no one but he cant win even one time against them both, if you made it crossbones vs shatterstar or wolverine alone then he would have some chance like 2 out of 10 but against them both ?? he is dead meat, and again i never saw any feature to show him really skilled

Originally posted by hank_mccoy
vulture is spider-mans enemy , so vulture is a bad ass?

toad is an x-men enemy so he is a bad ass?

I dont know enough about Vulture reallY.

The Taod. Well I dont know if you wanna call him badass but he was seen fit to give the Beast at that present time problems, if I recall.

Crossbones is a major Cap villain and has given him serious problems time and again.

Its like this Cap does not have Tyrant or The Gladiator as his enemies. Tyrant or The Gladiator does not have to fight Crossbones or Batroc The Leaper. The Villains allocated to heroes are usually given to them beacuse they are in their power level.

Originally posted by hank_mccoy
i didn't say he is no one but he cant win even one time against them both, if you made it crossbones vs shatterstar or wolverine alone then he would have some chance like 2 out of 10 but against them both ?? he is dead meat, and again i never saw any feature to show him really skilled

*sigh* Thats why he has a weeks prep. For crying out loud the Red Skull likes to employ him. Do you know how much of an ******* the Red Skull is?

Like I said I think both of them will make it through the traps but you are seriously underestimating his smarts. he is smart enough with a weeks prep to put them through hell.

Originally posted by Alfheim
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The Taod. Well I don't know if you wanna call him badass but he was seen fit to give the Beast at that present time problems, if I recall.

where did you see that? and don't tell me in the fairytale saga because its a different universe beast is a monkey there