Originally posted by godking
Crossbones ?????He is barely above a Thug trained by Taskmaster.
Someone like Taskmaster or Deadpool might pull it off.
a THIRD rate villain like Crossbones is not beating wolverine or shatterstar.
Almost killed Cap with prep, Cap is smarter than Wolverine and Shatterstar.
Originally posted by endrict
And?? both of these guys are not exactly dumb. They are also a lot more durable, stronger, faster healing factors than Cap.
What you mean and? Most of this thread concerns Wolveriine and shatterstar avoding traps not engaging in H2H, so it involves them piiting their wits against Crossbones wits, this is why he has a weeks prep.
Im not saying their dumb im just saying their not tactically smarter than Cap, if Crosbones prep is enough to almost kill Cap its going to cause Shatterstar and Wolverine problems.
They are not alot faster than Cap thats absolute nonsense, they are however more durable and have HFs. Despite the fcat they have HFs Wolverine still got taken out by Misters Xs guards which used conventional weapons. Explosiives that are powerful enough can take out both of them.
Originally posted by godking
almost means nothing .Crossbones is a third rate villain nothing more.
Yes it does actually. If you lose to a character but you almoist beat them it porves you are dangerous, if you get totally curbstomped that means your wimp.
Originally posted by godking
If you need to hire a villain to do some dirty work for you you hire Taskmaster or Deadpool not crossbones.
Yeah thats right. Thats why Crossbones was hired to kill the Kingpin and not Taskmaster or Deadpool.
Originally posted by Alfheimalmost means nothing
Yes it does actually. If you lose to a character but you almoist beat them it porves you are dangerous, if you get totally curbstomped that means your wimp.Yeah thats right. Thats why Crossbones was hired to kill the Kingpin and not Taskmaster or Deadpool.
And your not going to suggest that Crossbones is on the level of Deadpool or Taskmaster ?
Taskmaster has actually beaten Captain America in a fight at least once.
And had a pretty impressive showing in the Initiative taking down three giants very easily
If a villain has the choice between hiring Taskmaster Deadpool or Crossbones Crossbones does'nt get picked.
Originally posted by godking
almost means nothing
Yes it does. I gave you my explanation im not going to explain it again. Obvoulsy your are not listening.
Originally posted by godking
And your not going to suggest that Crossbones is on the level of Deadpool or Taskmaster ?Taskmaster has actually beaten Captain America in a fight at least once.
And had a pretty impressive showing in the Initiative taking down three giants very easily
In terms of prep it could be argued that he as good. Hes also been humilated by Daredevil. Crossbones could defintely give DD a good fight considering the fact that he has gone toe-to toe with Bullseye.
Originally posted by godking
If a villain has the choice between hiring Taskmaster Deadpool or Crossbones Crossbones does'nt get picked.
Can you prove that? Hell Crossbones organised a team to fight the Hellfire Club and has managed to rescue Red Skull from Magneto. Crossbones is one of Red Skulls favourite henchmen not Taskmaster or Deadpool.
Originally posted by Alfheim
What you mean and? Most of this thread concerns Wolveriine and shatterstar avoding traps not engaging in H2H, so it involves them piiting their wits against Crossbones wits, this is why he has a weeks prep.Im not saying their dumb im just saying their not tactically smarter than Cap, if Crosbones prep is enough to almost kill Cap its going to cause Shatterstar and Wolverine problems.
They are not alot faster than Cap thats absolute nonsense, they are however more durable and have HFs. Despite the fcat they have HFs Wolverine still got taken out by Misters Xs guards which used conventional weapons. Explosiives that are powerful enough can take out both of them.
Yeah "a lot" was not the word to use...but they are faster than Cap.
Originally posted by Alfheim
When was this, when he was trapped in a room?
Originally posted by Alfheim
Neither of them are better than Cap at strategy and Crossbones almost killed him.
also if cross bones can't take capt the majority with prep how the hell is he beat shatter star and wolverine togather? He not. Hell he aint beating Logan period.
Also capt does not have a healing factor on the level of either of these characters.
Originally posted by Alfheim
Its holds ground in this thread because Cap could probably beat Shatterstar
yes, but again this is not capt were talking about and abc logic is faulty.
Originally posted by Alfheim
and at least have some wins over Wolverine.
aleast some wins? You mean one win if he got extremely lucky would be more correct. Logan is capt plus and far more prone to killing.
Originally posted by Alfheim
This is not going to be a H2H scenerio 90 percent of the time its going to involve Shatterstar and Wolverine pitting their wits against Crossbones traps, so therefore comparing their smarts with Cap is very important..
Oh and shatter star grow up on a game show were he was sent into planets that were rigged with traps ever were.
cross bones aint shit next to that.
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Originally posted by Alfheim
If Wolverine can be taken out by Mister Xs bodyguards he can be taken out by Crossbones traps...
Originally posted by Alfheim
Shatterstar couldnt even blaock all of War machines bullets with his sword...
war machines technology>>>>>>>>>>>cross bones.
Hell war machine period>>>>>>>cross bones.
[QUOTE=10035492]Originally posted by Alfheim
im pretty sure Crossbones can come up with a trap that can cause Shatterstar problems. Hell Shatterstar may have a HF but hes not immune to posion gas. [/QUOTE
actaully he is for the most part and it due to were he was raised.
Originally posted by Battlehammer
Trapped? He had a gun the door was open. He attacked Logan with out warning and got put down from a single punch.
LOL yes he was trapped. He was in a cell with Daredevil and Wolverine and even if he manages to get past them which is very unlikely he has to get through the whole shield base. Trapped.
Originally posted by Battlehammer
First of all niether of them fight like capt or have similar strategies. Cross bones information on them is also extremely limited unlike capt.also if cross bones can't take capt the majority with prep how the hell is he beat shatter star and wolverine togather? He not. Hell he aint beating Logan period.
H2H skills dont really matter in this thread its smarts and neither of them are smarter than Cap.
Originally posted by Battlehammer
Also capt does not have a healing factor on the level of either of these characters.
Doesnt matter he can adapt his equipment to deal with there HF. Hell im pretty sure powerful acid could melt the flesh off Wolvernes bones.
Originally posted by Battlehammer
yes, but again this is not capt were talking about and abc logic is faulty.
No because this is more of a tactical thread smarts is the most importanat aspect not H2H. Im just saying if it came H2H he could at least give Shatterstar trouble.
Originally posted by Battlehammer
aleast some wins? You mean one win if he got extremely lucky would be more correct. Logan is capt plus and far more prone to killing.
As far as im concerned Cap can beat Wolverine, when I start collecting comics i'll probaly be able to pint out Wolverine isnt always an MA genuis.
Originally posted by Battlehammer
actaully it not. Not to mention both characters have inhumane senses well beyond that of capt meaning they could effortless discern were every trap was.
LOL yeah because Crossbones isnt smart enough to adapt his traps to do that. 🙄
Originally posted by Battlehammer
Oh and shatter star grow up on a game show were he was sent into planets that were rigged with traps ever were.cross bones aint shit next to that.
Shatterstar is not tactically smarter than Cap, so that dont mean a damn thing.
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Originally posted by Battlehammer
He wasent taken out by mister x body guards...........he beat them all actaully. Hell they even go "nothing that we do even slows him, knifes, bombs and guns are useless" or something of that effect.
So how did he manage to get captured wasnt it a combination of all the damage he had taken? Im getting different stories
Originally posted by Battlehammer
war machines technology>>>>>>>>>>>cross bones.Hell war machine period>>>>>>>cross bones.
All War Machine did was use a machine gun that fired rubber bullets. Crossbones can do that.
Originally posted by Battlehammer
actaully he is for the most part and it due to were he was raised.
Wolverine isnt immune to drugs why the hell would Shatterstar be. Deadpool has taken out Wolverine via this method before
Originally posted by Battlehammer
porue speculation with not actaul evidence to suport such claims.
No its not Crossbone sets a trap for Captain America and Cap has to spend a good while thinking what hes going to do next. Anything that makes Cap stop and think has to be dangerous. Its in one of Crossbones earlier appearances as far as I can remember Cap 363-364
Alfahem *ahem*
I didn't want to do this
A] Shatterstar is smarter with science and technology than Kitty Pride [Star' is a time traveller from an alternate dimension 100 years into our future] In Fabian Nicieza's X-force he is shown performing a diagnostic of Cables/Apocalypses sentient computer, he is also shown reprogramming armaments and vehicles from the 30th Century in readiness for an Assault against the Immortal Mutant Group 'The Externals'
Shatterstars long time sparring parter is Warpath/Rictor now considering one has the stats of Juggernaught minus Juggy HF but can outrun a ferrari on a race track...
and the other harnesses the power of an earthquake...
and when it comes to booby traps in a dark room
His vision is in the same class as Beast Feral Warpath
also
Shatterstar practices a martial art which extends his chi like tendrils to read his surroundings
Originally posted by shiv
Alfahem *ahem*I didn't want to do this
A] Shatterstar is smarter with science and technology than Kitty Pride [Star' is a time traveller from an alternate dimension 100 years into our future] In Fabian Nicieza's X-force he is shown performing a diagnostic of Cables/Apocalypses sentient computer, he is also shown reprogramming armaments and vehicles from the 30th Century in readiness for an Assault against the Immortal Mutant Group 'The Externals'
Still doesnt make him tactically superior to Cap, that just means he can operate high-tech equipment.
Originally posted by shiv
Shatterstars long time sparring parter is Warpath/Rictor now considering one has the stats of Juggernaught minus Juggy HF but can outrun a ferrari on a race track...
But Wolfsbane still gave him trouble and could have got panwed by War Machines gun if he wasnt using rubber bullets.
Originally posted by shiv
and the other harnesses the power of an earthquake...and when it comes to booby traps in a dark room
His vision is in the same class as Beast Feral Warpath
Dont see how that changes everything.
Originally posted by shiv
also
Shatterstar practices a martial art which extends his chi like tendrils to read his surroundings
1. How accurate is it and can you prove it. This is news to me I want some proof.
2. That doesnt mean he can detect all the traps or even avoid them.
Originally posted by Alfheim
LOL yes he was trapped. He was in a cell with Daredevil and Wolverine and even if he manages to get past them which is very unlikely he has to get through the whole shield base. Trapped.
Originally posted by Alfheim
H2H skills dont really matter in this thread its smarts and neither of them are smarter than Cap.Doesnt matter he can adapt his equipment to deal with there HF. Hell im pretty sure powerful acid could melt the flesh off Wolvernes bones. [/B]
Originally posted by Alfheim
No because this is more of a tactical thread smarts is the most importanat aspect not H2H. Im just saying if it came H2H he could at least give Shatterstar trouble.As far as im concerned Cap can beat Wolverine, when I start collecting comics i'll probaly be able to pint out Wolverine isnt always an MA genuis. [/B]
Originally posted by Alfheim
LOL yeah because Crossbones isnt smart enough to adapt his traps to do that. 🙄 [/B]
Originally posted by Alfheim
Shatterstar is not tactically smarter than Cap, so that dont mean a damn thing. [/B]
You don’t need to be better then capt at tactics to deal with traps. Shatter star grow up dealing with such traps all his live cross bones traps are no different.
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Originally posted by Alfheim
So how did he manage to get captured wasnt it a combination of all the damage he had taken? Im getting different stories[/B]
Originally posted by Alfheim
All War Machine did was use a machine gun that fired rubber bullets. Crossbones can do that. [/B]
Originally posted by Alfheim
Wolverine isnt immune to drugs why the hell would Shatterstar be. Deadpool has taken out Wolverine via this method before[/B]
Logan is pritty much immune from drugs.
Alfheim just fails to realize the plain and simple truth, that Crossbones completely and utterly fails.
If he couldn't kill Captain America with prep, how on earth is he going to kill Wolverine? Wolverine heals a million times faster, has even more experience, can detect any traps and is about as skilled...