Cosmic battle Part ONE

Lucifer
Michael
Spectre (Full powered)

vs

Thanos HTOU
Warlock with the IG
The LT

the DC team should win handily having Michael, Lucifer, and Spectre but then all of the on pannel feats crap comes up. So once again im giving it an even split 5/10

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Lucifer
Michael
Spectre (Full powered)
Mr. Mxy ( World's Funnest)
Kismet

vs

Thanos HTOU
Warlock with the IG
The LT
Beyonder (Secret Wars 1 and 2)
Phoenix of the white crown

(Now, in some cases, an exception or two might be made with some theads. It's usually a judgement call on the moderator's part. But, of course, if a thread has like 25+ characters, it WILL be closed. NO exceptions)

Originally posted by galan7777777
the DC team should win handily having Michael, Lucifer, and Spectre (among others), but then all of the on pannel feats crap comes up. So once again im giving it an even split 5/10

Why not just say what you feel. it won't hurt. 😉

i see you changed some stuff around, well Spectre at FP=ALL the Wrath of God, and as long as Michael is favored by God, and Lucifer is in his unweakened state the DC team wins handily... Remember we are talking about beings that are stated as the top 3 most powerful beings in the DCU existance

Originally posted by galan7777777
i see you changed some stuff around, well Spectre at FP=ALL the Wrath of God, and as long as Michael is favored by God, and Lucifer is in his unweakened state the DC team wins handily... Remember we are talking about beings that are stated as the top 3 most powerful beings in the DCU existance

I had to change it so as not to mess up the forum rules.

gotcha 😉

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Lucifer
Michael
Spectre (Full powered)

vs

Thanos HTOU
Warlock with the IG
The LT

Lucifer and Micheal have done nothing to prove themselves to be able to defeat the Living Tribunal, even together....

Lucifer's greatest feat was creating a Universe, which Living Tribunal can do with ease....Lucifer took time and energy to commit to that project, while LT has created and erased realities on panel with ease.

Warlock with IG may find a large challenge with Lucifer and Micheal together....however, IG gives you power over more than one universe, and it is unclear whether the amount of universes you overcome are truly infinite, or limitted...well, they are called the Infinity Gems, so ill assume infinite.

Spectre's greatest feat was connecting with every sentient being in DC's multiverse...nice, but nothing that LT or Thanos with HOTU can't do....

Thanos with HOTU alone can destroy Mike, Lucifer, and Spectre....

Marvel wins....like they always fkn do

Originally posted by Lord Urizen
Lucifer and Micheal have done nothing to prove themselves to be able to defeat the Living Tribunal, even together....

Originally posted by Lord Urizen
Lucifer's greatest feat was creating a Universe, which Living Tribunal can do with ease....Lucifer took time and energy to commit to that project, while LT has created and erased realities on panel with ease.

Originally posted by Lord Urizen
Warlock with IG may find a large challenge with Lucifer and Micheal together....however, IG gives you power over more than one universe, and it is unclear whether the amount of universes you overcome are truly infinite, or limitted...well, they are called the Infinity Gems, so ill assume infinite.

Originally posted by Lord Urizen
Spectre's greatest feat was connecting with every sentient being in DC's multiverse...nice, but nothing that LT or Thanos with HOTU can't do....

Originally posted by Lord Urizen
Thanos with HOTU alone can destroy Mike, Lucifer, and Spectre....

Marvel wins....like they always fkn do

im not trying to argue, i just want you to understand that Marvel wouldnt win as easily as u think 😉

Originally posted by galan7777777
and what has LT done that would indicate he could defeat the Brothers?

Erase and create realities, trap Beyonder in a single universe, turn Silver Surfer into a universe, nullify the powers of the IG
(the IG happens to be multiversal in power), the only thing that was above him was HOTU and TOAA...

Originally posted by galan7777777
time and energy? if you read the lucifer series you would see that it took little to no effort for Lucifer to make a universe

Yes..it took him time to create the stars and the cosmos...he spent energy on the project....

Just because he wasn't exhausted, does not mean it took him no effort...

LT can manifest realities instantly, and erase them just as fast....Lucifer has to gather enough energy for both...

Originally posted by galan7777777
again you think that just because Lucifer only made a single universe, that thats all he could have made, when in truth a single universe was all he wanted

Can you prove he can create a multiverse? Because he has never done so, and i dont remember him claiming that power...

Originally posted by galan7777777
they probably can, but how does that equate to them beating the FULL wrath of god?

Thanos with HOTU is equal to TOAA, Marvel's "God"

DC and Vertigo's God is limitted and flawed. The last issue of Lucifer, Yahweh himself admitted he was shaped by external forces...he is imperfect, and not complete in himself.

The Presence' counterpart is the GEB, which automatically makes it a force of flaws...

Originally posted by galan7777777
and how would Thanos beat them? He would be fighting 3 beings that are all heavily favored by God himself, death has no hold on them........ they exist outside of existance

So what...Death has no hold on Thanos either....nor on Adam Warlock...what's your point ?

Thanos with HOTU can MAKE them subject to nullification...Thanos with HOTU did more than Lucifer or Micheal did in thier entire series.

They do not exist outide of existance, although they can....matters not. REality Gem can take care of that (class reality gem, not current) and so can HOTU

And to make something clear...they do not live outside of "existance" per say...they can step outside CREATION and survive in the NULL VOID...so can LT, Thanos with HOTU, Adam Warlock with IG, and so many other characters, its not even funny..

Heck, fkn Animora from Crossgen Comics survived 500 years of imprisonment in a null void....it doesn't impress me that Lucifer and Micheal can do the same.

Originally posted by galan7777777
im not trying to argue, i just want you to understand that Marvel wouldnt win as easily as u think 😉

I do understand that thier defeat will not be easy....Lucifer is highly manipulative....his words may sway Thanos or Adam Warlock, but will have NO EFFECT on LT, since LT only obeys TOAA....

And give me a break about Micheal's power....he couldnt even defeat those IDIOT Titans who attacked the Silver City 🙄

Originally posted by Lord Urizen
Erase and create realities, trap Beyonder in a single universe, turn Silver Surfer into a universe, nullify the powers of the IG
(the IG happens to be multiversal in power

Originally posted by Lord Urizen
the only thing that was above him was HOTU and TOAA...

Originally posted by Lord Urizen
Yes..it took him time to create the stars and the cosmos...he spent energy on the project....

Originally posted by Lord Urizen
Just because he wasn't exhausted, does not mean it took him no effort...

Originally posted by Lord Urizen
LT can manifest realities instantly, and erase them just as fast....Lucifer has to gather enough energy for both...

Originally posted by Lord Urizen
Can you prove he can create a multiverse? Because he has never done so, and i dont remember him claiming that power...

Originally posted by Lord Urizen
Thanos with HOTU is equal to TOAA, Marvel's "God"

Originally posted by Lord Urizen
DC and Vertigo's God is limitted and flawed. The last issue of Lucifer, Yahweh himself admitted he was shaped by external forces...he is imperfect, and not complete in himself.

Originally posted by Lord Urizen
The Presence' counterpart is the GEB, which automatically makes it a force of flaws...

Originally posted by Lord Urizen
So what...Death has no hold on Thanos either....nor on Adam Warlock...what's your point ?

Originally posted by Lord Urizen
Thanos with HOTU can MAKE them subject to nullification...Thanos with HOTU did more than Lucifer or Micheal did in thier entire series.

Originally posted by Lord Urizen
They do not exist outide of existance, although they can....matters not. REality Gem can take care of that (class reality gem, not current) and so can HOTU

Originally posted by Lord Urizen
And to make something clear...they do not live outside of "existance" per say...they can step outside CREATION and survive in the NULL VOID...so can LT, Thanos with HOTU, Adam Warlock with IG, and so many other characters, its not even funny..

Originally posted by Lord Urizen
Heck, fkn Animora from Crossgen Comics survived 500 years of imprisonment in a null void....it doesn't impress me that Lucifer and Micheal can do the same.

Originally posted by Lord Urizen
I do understand that thier defeat will not be easy....Lucifer is highly manipulative....his words may sway Thanos or Adam Warlock, but will have NO EFFECT on LT, since LT only obeys TOAA....

Originally posted by Lord Urizen
And give me a break about Micheal's power....he couldnt even defeat those IDIOT Titans who attacked the Silver City 🙄

Originally posted by galan7777777
when did LT ever trap pre-ret beyonder in a universe?

and what do u think is above the DC team? 😕

the only reason it took him any time is because he was recreating the cosmos in the exact way God did (hence the whole 7 days thing)

and how do we know that it took "no" effort for LT to turn surfer into a universe?

what? in book 6 i seem to remember lucifer erasing a reality, and then reshaping it how he saw fit with little effort 😉

can you prove that he couldnt have made a multiverse if he wanted to? the most impressive feat the LT has done was negate the IG and turn SS into a universe

mabye equal in power, but nowhere near TOAA's omniscents.

shaped by outside forces could be refering to the writers who drew him..... that statment is hardly enough to call God imperfect

How so? its a universal balance GEB and God are the same (just on the opposite side of the coin) much like lucifer/michael

point is that Thanos even with THOTU cant destroy something that cannot be killed

again tell me how him doing more equates to a win

are you attempting to say that lucifer/michael dont exist outside of existance? 😱

nope, they exist outside of creation, but they can choose to step into reality if they choose to

500 years, lucifer is 10billion yrs old 🙂

right, lucifer can manipulate all of em except LT

at this point in the story michael was no longer in gods graces, because at this time god was absent

Excellent retort.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Excellent retort.

Originally posted by galan7777777
when did LT ever trap pre-ret beyonder in a universe?

Not pre-retconned Beyonder.

The post ret-conned Beyonder was banished into a separate reality by the Living Tribunal in the Guardians of the Galaxy issues that included Korvac...

LT was tired of Beyonder manipulating universes to appease his boredom.

Originally posted by galan7777777
and what do u think is above the DC team? 😕

Yahweh and Presence, although they have proven to be imperfect and flawed. I am not saying TOAA is any better, but so far TOAA has not been presented in a way that would prove him any inferior to Yahweh/Presence.

Originally posted by galan7777777
the only reason it took him any time is because he was recreating the cosmos in the exact way God did (hence the whole 7 days thing)

Nice Try, but there is no true explanation for it. It took him time, because he HAD to exist within the Universe itself to shape it. The Universe consists of Time and Space, which he had to become involved in.

The last thing he wants to do is copy God. How much about Lucifer do you actually know?

Besides, his universe was geocentric, since Earth was the only planet he personally addressed...

Originally posted by galan7777777
and how do we know that it took "no" effort for LT to turn surfer into a universe?

I never said it took no effort..i said he does it instantly. He has never needed to take that much time or drama to create or destroy a universe. He judges, and it happens.

Lucifer created his universe artistically and beautifully, but it took obvious time, effort, and thought.

Originally posted by galan7777777
what? in book 6 i seem to remember lucifer erasing a reality, and then reshaping it how he saw fit with little effort 😉

He re-wrote the rules of reality, not erased it. If you have scans to back up this assertion, please use them.

Originally posted by galan7777777
can you prove that he couldnt have made a multiverse if he wanted to? the most impressive feat the LT has done was negate the IG and turn SS into a universe

There is no official clarification that Lucifer can or can't create a multiverse. But claiming that he CAN when he has never done so, nor claimed to do so, is a flawed and tired argument.

IG itself has negated the effect of the Ultamate Nullifier which was erasing realities left and right. IG was used to stop it. LT, however, can negate IG itself.

Therefore Living Tribunal's personal power is beyond a multiversal nature.

Living Tribunal also made a judgement which White Pheonix of the Crown HAD to follow....WPOTC re-created an erased universe.

Originally posted by galan7777777
mabye equal in power, but nowhere near TOAA's omniscents.

I am aware, but in terms of raw power, he was TOAA's equal. TOAA just happens to be much much much smarter, therefore Thanos or ANYONE with HOTU has no chance against TOAA.

Originally posted by galan7777777
shaped by outside forces could be refering to the writers who drew him..... that statment is hardly enough to call God imperfect

It's left up to interpretation, and your point holds no solid validity....it's a good point, but proves nothing. If Yahweh was perfect, he'd need not be shaped by anything, he'd already be complete in himself.

The simple fact that he is a comic book character, created by imperfect human writers, is enough to state his imperfection...i am saying this, since you seem to want to get literal.

Originally posted by galan7777777
How so? its a universal balance GEB and God are the same (just on the opposite side of the coin) much like lucifer/michael

The Great Evil Beast is evil....therefore flawed, and since it is the counterpart of the Presence, that makes the Presence flawed as well....

Unless you think something Evil can be perfect... 🙄

Originally posted by galan7777777
point is that Thanos even with THOTU cant destroy something that cannot be killed

Yes he can. He can make the reality such that Lucifer will be destroyed. Do you mean to tell me that Death is more powerful than HOTU ? I highly doubt it....

With HOTU power, or EVEN the IG, you can rewrite reality to your fashion, so that someone who is immortal becomes subject to death. It is not beyond the ability of someone with HOTU or even IG, so please....stop restating an argument that holds no validity.

Originally posted by galan7777777
again tell me how him doing more equates to a win

Does not equate to an automatic win...its evidense of the probability that Thanos with HOTU can do so much more than Lucifer or Michael can...

The Brothers did nothing that isn't any more impressive than the feats that Thanos has accomplished in his shorter life.

Originally posted by galan7777777
are you attempting to say that lucifer/michael dont exist outside of existance? 😱

They can step outside creation into the null void, but still exist...therefore, they do not literally exist outide existance, they exist outside creation. Big Difference..

So what? Tons of characters can step outside creation and survive in a Void of infinite emptiness....it's been done before....

Originally posted by galan7777777
nope, they exist outside of creation, but they can choose to step into reality if they choose to

I know this...this is the point I was making earlier. What exactly are you trying to argue ? You seem to be agreeing with me. 🙂

Originally posted by galan7777777
500 years, lucifer is 10billion yrs old 🙂

Lucifer is not 10 Billion years old, he ruled Hell for 10 Billion Years...he is far older than that.

And what is your point ? Animora survived in a null void for 500 years....yet she isn't as powerful as Lucifer.

What point are you trying to make that Lucifer and Micheal can survive in a null void? Far less powerful characters have done the SAME THING...it's not that impressive. ❌

Originally posted by galan7777777
right, lucifer can manipulate all of em except LT

I know. That is because LT is not a sentient being like Thanos or Adam Warlock....LT cannot be manipulated because he lacks the emotions and logic that is required for manipulation.

LT can and will only obey the TOAA, and nothing else. Lucifer will be wasting his time trying to manipulate LT.

Originally posted by galan7777777
at this point in the story michael was no longer in gods graces, because at this time god was absent

And your point is ?

jesus how many of these crappy threads can u make?

Originally posted by Lord Urizen
Yahweh and Presence, although they have proven to be imperfect and flawed. I am not saying TOAA is any better, but so far TOAA has not been presented in a way that would prove him any inferior to Yahweh/Presence

Originally posted by Lord Urizen
Nice Try, but there is no true explanation for it. It took him time, because he HAD to exist within the Universe itself to shape it. The Universe consists of Time and Space, which he had to become involved in.

Originally posted by Lord Urizen
The last thing he wants to do is [b]copy God.[/B]

Originally posted by Lord Urizen
How much about Lucifer do you actually know?

Originally posted by Lord Urizen
Besides, his universe was geocentric, since Earth was the only planet he personally addressed...

Originally posted by Lord Urizen
He re-wrote the rules of reality, not erased it. If you have scans to back up this assertion, please use them.

Originally posted by Lord Urizen
There is no official clarification that Lucifer [b]can or can't create a multiverse. But claiming that he CAN when he has never done so, nor claimed to do so, is a flawed and tired argument.[/B]

Originally posted by Lord Urizen
Therefore Living Tribunal's personal power is beyond a multiversal nature.

Originally posted by Lord Urizen
I am aware, but in terms of raw power, he was TOAA's equal. TOAA just happens to be much much much smarter, therefore Thanos or ANYONE with HOTU has no chance against TOAA.

Originally posted by Lord Urizen
It's left up to interpretation, and your point holds no solid validity....it's a good point, but proves nothing. If Yahweh was perfect, he'd need not be shaped by anything, he'd already be complete in himself.

Originally posted by Lord Urizen
The Great Evil Beast is evil....therefore flawed, and since it is the counterpart of the Presence, that makes the Presence flawed as well....

Originally posted by Lord Urizen
Unless you think something Evil can be perfect... 🙄

Originally posted by Lord Urizen
Yes he can. He can make the reality such that Lucifer will be destroyed. Do you mean to tell me that Death is more powerful than HOTU ? I highly doubt it....

Originally posted by Lord Urizen
With HOTU power, or EVEN the IG, you can rewrite reality to your fashion, so that someone who is immortal becomes subject to death. It is not beyond the ability of someone with HOTU or even IG, so please....stop restating an argument that holds no validity.

Originally posted by Lord Urizen
They can step outside creation into the null void, but still exist...therefore, they do not literally exist outide existance, they exist outside creation. Big Difference..

Originally posted by Lord Urizen
Lucifer is not 10 Billion years old, he [b]ruled Hell for 10 Billion Years...he is far older than that.

And what is your point ? Animora survived in a null void for 500 years....yet she isn't as powerful as Lucifer.[/B]

Originally posted by Lord Urizen
And your point is ?

Thanos w/ Heart = TOAA = Presence = GEB >> Lucifer and the rest of the trash that can't compare to them.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Lucifer
Michael
Spectre (Full powered)

vs

Thanos HTOU
Warlock with the IG
The LT

Thats about a stalemate.

Originally posted by Thanos_THOTU
Thanos w/ Heart = TOAA = Presence = GEB >> Lucifer and the rest of the trash that can't compare to them.

Originally posted by galan7777777
coming from someone who dosent read Lucifer its an idiotic comment to call them "trash" 🙄

It's like saying: For Galactus, Spider-man is trash.
Or: For Living Tribunal the Eternity is trash.
ect.
The point was:
ou can line up a billion Lucifers, they still wont hurt the Beast.
So if Thanos equal's the beast. Well you get the pic.