Cosmic battle Part ONE

Originally posted by Thanos_THOTU
1. I read vertigo comics now. -- But, hey keep living in the past while the rest head for the future.

Originally posted by Thanos_THOTU
It's like saying: For Galactus, Spider-man is trash.
Or: For Living Tribunal the Eternity is trash.
ect.
The point was:
ou can line up a billion Lucifers, they still wont hurt the Beast.
So if Thanos equal's the beast. Well you get the pic.

marvel imo

Not stating who will win just clearing something up.

It is true that Thanos w/THOTU couldnt kill warlock and death because they were outside time and space.
He could have easily killed them once he found/saw them though.

Marvel wins.

Thanos with THOTU beats everyone on the DC team. the other two are Non-Factors.

Originally posted by galan7777777
Imperfect? how so? Just because they have opposites of each other? sorry that Imperfect thing is getting old

Like you already said, perfection is subjective.

Regardless, you brought up the point that Yahweh was referring to the comic book writers who created him, hence making him automatically imperfect, and no a guarantee for victory.

Originally posted by galan7777777
He shapped it becuase he wanted it to be just as perfect if not more so then God's why do you think he choose to create it in 7 days? 😕

So you assume that means he could create universes instantaneously?

Originally posted by galan7777777
not how god acts, but he wanted to make his creation just as great....Read some Lucifer comics 😉

Oh I do my freind, I do ✅

Originally posted by galan7777777
Far more then you obviously

You sure? Because you seem to either misintepret a lot of the actual events in Lucifer, or you're making things up...like most fanboys do. 🙄

Originally posted by galan7777777
What? there were numerous other planets mentioned throughout the series, in fact an epic battle with Lucifer took place on a completely different planet in book #4

That's not what I am talking about...

The Universe that Lucifer created is Geocentric, because the copy of Earth, or Eden to be more precise, was the only world he addressed....remember when he told the "new" Adam and Eve to obey no one ?

Earth was the only planet in that created universe that he commanded....he ignored all other worlds...

Originally posted by galan7777777
I dont needs scans my friend..... in book #6 Lucifer erases all of a certain reality and then reshapes it differently then before.... wether or not u believe this makes little difference to me

Makes no difference to me either, and it is not a matter of beleif. But you are claiming something he did, and you are not backing it up.

Book 6, what issue ? If you can provide a scan, you'd certainly beat me in this debate. Otherwise, your claims are just as good as my own....

Originally posted by galan7777777
as is it to say that LT can create more then a universe

Mr. Master has provided more than enough scans to show LT's capabilities. I thought you may have stumbled upon his debates with GalacticStorm...if you do not beleive me, then ask Mr. Master yourself.

Originally posted by galan7777777
and????? i never said Lucifer could or couldnt beat LT, its just not as easy as people make it sound

Never said it was easy either, but I am making a point as to why LT and Thanos with HOTU would win.

Originally posted by galan7777777
and how do we know THOTU was TOAA's equal? because thanos said he was that powerful? because remember that even if Thanos just had a fraction of infinity, he still had infinity, just to a lesser degree.

He is not TOAA's absolute equal, only in terms of raw power....and because TOAA was the only one who could beat him.

Originally posted by galan7777777
and you "point" about God being imperfect holds no validity either, so we are even

All it means is that Yahweh or Presence are not automatic vouchers for victory...you keep saying "God", "God this" "God that" as if he is truly God....it sickens me how so many DC fanboys pool in thier personal and religious bias into these arguments...

You guys get so easily offended when your precious God gets challenged... 🙄

Originally posted by galan7777777
Yeah thats what you keep arguing, and it makes no sense

What makes no sense ?

Originally posted by galan7777777
it depends how you define "perfect"

Yahweh/Presence are comic book characters, created by flawed human beings, therefore they are imperfect by default. There's no other way around it, so get over it. 👇

I only bring this up, because you and so many other DC fanboys claim his perfection....

Originally posted by galan7777777
i never said that, but thanos couldnt absorb death... why? because she exists outside of existance 😉

He absorbed all of creation, and neglected the void. She stepped outside of creation and into the void. If Thanos had addressed non-creation, he would have absorbed her as well.

Originally posted by galan7777777
so why didnt Thanos absorb death or warlock? ohhhh yeah because they were outside of existance

Read above post....

Originally posted by galan7777777
really? thats new..... are you making stuff up?

Did you read Lucifer issue # 75 buddy ?

Yahweh and Lucifer were standing outside "existance" actually, to be more correct, outside of creation and in the null void. At the end Lucifer flies away into the Void....

Existance simply means "creation" ....as it is self evident throughout the entire series, the null void is "non creation" , but not literal non existance....nothingness does exist.

All I am saying is that lesser characters can do the same exact thing...step outside creation and exist in a null void without being harmed....it does not impress me that Lucifer and Micheal have done it.

Originally posted by galan7777777
blah

Loss of words ? Or can you not counter that argument ?

Originally posted by galan7777777
i had to correct a previous statement you made, thats all

Which statement was that ?

Originally posted by Lord Urizen
Regardless, you brought up the point that Yahweh was referring to the comic book writers who created him, hence making him automatically imperfect, and no a guarantee for victory.

Originally posted by Lord Urizen
So you assume that means he could create universes instantaneously?

Originally posted by Lord Urizen
Oh I do my freind, I do ✅

Originally posted by Lord Urizen
You sure? Because you seem to either misintepret a lot of the actual events in Lucifer, or you're making things up...like most fanboys do. 🙄

Originally posted by Lord Urizen
The Universe that Lucifer created is Geocentric, because the copy of Earth, or Eden to be more precise, was the only world he addressed....remember when he told the "new" Adam and Eve to obey no one ?

Originally posted by Lord Urizen
Earth was the only planet in that created universe that he commanded....he ignored all other worlds...

Originally posted by Lord Urizen
Makes no difference to me either, and it is not a matter of beleif. But you are claiming something he did, and you are not backing it up.

Book 6, what issue ? If you can provide a scan, you'd certainly beat me in this debate. Otherwise, your claims are just as good as my own....

Originally posted by Lord Urizen
Mr. Master has provided more than enough scans to show LT's capabilities. I thought you may have stumbled upon his debates with GalacticStorm...if you do not beleive me, then ask Mr. Master yourself.

Originally posted by Lord Urizen
All it means is that Yahweh or Presence are not automatic vouchers for victory...you keep saying "God", "God this" "God that" as if he is truly God....it sickens me how so many DC fanboys pool in thier personal and religious bias into these arguments...

Originally posted by Lord Urizen
You guys get so easily offended when your precious God gets challenged... 🙄

Originally posted by Lord Urizen
Yahweh/Presence are comic book characters, created by flawed human beings, therefore they are imperfect by default. There's no other way around it, so get over it. 👇

Originally posted by Lord Urizen
I only bring this up, because you and so many other DC fanboys claim his perfection....

Originally posted by Lord Urizen
He absorbed all of creation, and neglected the void. She stepped outside of creation and into the void. If Thanos had addressed non-creation, he would have absorbed her as well.

Originally posted by Lord Urizen
Existance simply means "creation" ....as it is self evident throughout the entire series, the null void is "non creation" , but not literal non existance....nothingness does exist.

Originally posted by Lord Urizen
All I am saying is that lesser characters can do the same exact thing...step outside creation and exist in a null void without being harmed....it does not impress me that Lucifer and Micheal have done it.

Originally posted by Lord Urizen
Which statement was that ?

Again Im not saying that 1 side has a dominate victory over the other, but i think beth sides have a good chance.... Marvel might take the victory, but not by an enormous margin

Wut up yall.

Nice debate.

A few points to clear.

Existing outside of Space & Time ("creation/existence"😉 has been achieved by many, it is not a major feat.
(Warlock did it when he entered the Cosmic Vortex) 🙂

Oh, and the Living Tribunal's exact words were:

"CONNECTION to the INFINITE"

"Would you like a moment of GODHOOD"

Now whether that means Universe - Multi-verse or the Omni-verse itself, we'll never know. After all, LT is the Judge of ALL the Multi-verses, simultaneously existing in ALL of them.

I'll tell you one thing though,

The Living Tribunal has used that term once before, "the INFINITE."

Do you know what he was referring to when he said that?

LT, Eternity, Lord Chaos & Master Order observe two specific creation of the Beyonders.

Living Tribunal calls the Beyonders, "the INFINITE"

"Minute bits of of their Energy" from the Beyonders, created Post-retcon Molecule Man & Post-retcon Beyonder.

Post-Retcon Molecule Man nearly destroyed the MULTI-VERSE in this same issue. (with a "Minute bit of their energy"😉

Kubik had to BEG him, not to erase Beyonder and destroy the Multi-verse

Originally posted by Mr Master
Wut up yall.

Nice debate.

A few points to clear.

Existing outside of Space & Time ("creation/existence"😉 has been achieved by many, it is not a major feat.
(Warlock did it when he entered the Cosmic Vortex) 🙂

Oh, and the Living Tribunal's exact words were:

"CONNECTION to the INFINITE"

"Would you like a moment of GODHOOD"

Now whether that means Universe - Multi-verse or the Omni-verse itself, we'll never know. After all, LT is the Judge of ALL Multi-verses.

I'll tell you one thing though,

The Living Tribunal has used that term once before, "the INFINITE."

Do you know what he was referring to when he said that?

LT, Eternity, Lord Chaos & Master Order observe two specific creation of the Beyonders.

Living Tribunal calls the Beyonders, "the INFINITE"

"Minute bits of of their Energy" from the Beyonders, created Post-retcon Molecule Man & Post-retcon Beyonder.

Post-Retcon Molecule Man nearly destroyed the MULTI-VERSE in this same issue.

Kubik had to BEG him, not to erase Beyonder and destroy the Multi-verse

Originally posted by Galan777
go out and get the book#6, and i will expect an apology 😛

An apology? Is that how seriously you take this debate? Just calm down dude, as for your other comments, you are the one who needs to relax...

Why do you care how "respectful" someone online is being to you ? You don't know me, you probably never will, so why do you care?

I didn't mean to be disrespectful, I responding as I saw fit....all I said was you referred to Yahweh and Presence as "God"...i got the impression that you were replacing comic book characters with a deity you may happen to worship...

I only say that gets annoying because a LOT of DC fanboys do that...and it corrupts the debate very often. That's all.

Originally posted by Galan777
i have seen the scans, and im not doubting LT's power at all, but can you show me anywhere in them where LT created more then a universe? I bet you cant....

If you look through his scans extensively, you will see what I was talking about. I take it you just looked at Mr. Master's most recent scan, where he transforms Silver Surfer into a universe...

Originally posted by Galan777
i agree, and this is why death has no hold on them..... correct????? 😄

So you finally agree that "stepping outside existance" simply means stepping outside creation into a void, like I have been arguing for the past 3 posts...

Yes or No ?

My POINT is much less powerful characters have done it...it's no big deal. ❌

Originally posted by Galan777
name 10 lesser characters in DC that have done this under their own power for an extended length of time

DC characters? I don't know...but i can name 10 characters from other comic books....

1) Animora
2) Lawbringer XXTR
3) Ingra
4) Dawn
5) Angela
6) Spawn
7) Thanos
8) Samundel Rey
9) Urizen
10) Charon

They are all pretty much weaker than Micheal and Lucifer, but have all been through a null void, separate from prime creation, and have done just fine...

Originally posted by Galan777
the one saying that michael couldnt beat the titans

He couldn't though...Lucifer needed Mazikeen to impale Beatrice, since Beatrice was the conduit for Lucifer to harm the Titans in the timeline before they consumed Yahweh's omnipotence...

I assume you already know this, correct ?

Originally posted by Galan777
Again Im not saying that 1 side has a dominate victory over the other, but i think beth sides have a good chance.... Marvel might take the victory, but not by an enormous margin

Because of Thanos with HOTU and LT, the advantage is unfair. Marvel wins...Lucifer and Micheal are great, but they are not enough....

Originally posted by Lord Urizen
An apology? Is that how seriously you take this debate? Just calm down dude, as for your other comments, you are the one who needs to relax..

Originally posted by Lord Urizen
If you look through his scans extensively, you will see what I was talking about. I take it you just looked at Mr. Master's most recent scan, where he transforms Silver Surfer into a universe...

Originally posted by Lord Urizen
So you finally agree that "stepping outside existance" simply means stepping outside creation into a void, like I have been arguing for the past 3 posts...

Yes or No ?

Originally posted by Lord Urizen
My POINT is much less powerful characters have done it...it's no big deal. ❌

Originally posted by Lord Urizen
DC characters? I don't know...but i can name 10 characters from other comic books....

1) Animora
2) Lawbringer XXTR
3) Ingra
4) Dawn
5) Angela
6) Spawn
7) Thanos
8) Samundel Rey
9) Urizen
10) Charon

Originally posted by Lord Urizen
He couldn't though...Lucifer needed Mazikeen to impale Beatrice, since Beatrice was the conduit for Lucifer to harm the Titans in the timeline before they consumed Yahweh's omnipotence...

I assume you already know this, correct ?

Originally posted by Lord Urizen
Because of Thanos with HOTU and LT, the advantage is unfair. Marvel wins...Lucifer and Micheal are great, but they are not enough....

marvel wins for me