correct, i wont accept the fact that the EU of vader is going to waste, the story, everything that there was to be about vader, so are you saying ONLY the movie vader is canon? and that quote subjekt? i believe its a truck load of sh!t to cover up for the mistakes he did,
and did GL say the EU? no he didnt, he cant control the EU, only certein words can
actually when it comes to "Star Wars" he can control it all, or the person will find themselves with a hefty lawsuit on their hands. no one BUT Lucas owns the rights to Star Wars, Skywalker, DArth Vader etc...believe it or not, he approves every storyline that comes out and only demands its not too far away from his vision. He gives more leniency towards eras that he has not covered yet, but anything HE says, or does, is the final and absolute word. No one can "out canon" GL...thats just idiotic beyond belief to even entertain that thought.
and he didnt say vader was slow, period, he gave leniency to the EU about vader, prove that he didnt
already for the last time i will say, he knows how to fight period, he is not slow, period, slower than most jedis period, still powerful, period and last but not least, TESB proved how strong he is, PERIOD
PERIOD..your dumbass obviously read any of my posts PERIOD, you have a problem excepting the truth PERIOD. He DID say that they are slow PERIOD. you typing "PERIOD every other word doesn't make anyone listen to you more or take you more serious PERIOD. If you want to hear the quote, go find it PERIOD. You are incredibly hard headed and ignorant for a 16 year old PERIOD. I was trying to side with before but explain why things aren't the way they are supposed to be, but you wont listen PERIOD.
STFU PERIOD!!!
no one said that at all. We know in the EU he's faster, we know in the EU that they make him look more badass....in the EU. As far as the movies are concerned, which is the highest type of canon excet for what GL says, he is slower than PT era fighters. No one judged him on his speed. Quite the contrary on Ush's part. He said he's still the ultimate villian. As I said before, its not that Vader is slow, its that he's slower than he was as Anakin and in comparison to fighters in the PT. Does that mean that they can all beat him? No, of course not. You think Lucas' kid from ROTS coan beat him just cause he's faster, Hell no. Speed isnt what makes you tough. If that were the case, then Jabba wouldn't be the crime lord, someone faster would be...see what im saying? No one doubts he's faster in the EU, unfortunately, thats not canon if it contradicts the movies. Watch ANH with the commentary on and see if GL mentions it there. But he has said that they are slow due to being old and a machine man, ONLY so he can give an "in universe" explanation, rather than saying due to filming technology. If he said that, then assholes would say, "well you fixed other parts, why not that?" Which he would have to spend alot of money and time, just to mess it up worse.
Do you get what im saying?
It'd be awesome if Vader was as fast as PT Anakin, same goes for Obi-Wan, but they're not. Sad as that is, it's fact, it's canon. Some may not like it or agree with it, but tough. I don't like the fact that Bush is president but me b*tching about him won't make it not true.
Vader remains one of the top badasses of movie history, his speed in a saber duel is irrelevant to that rank.
Originally posted by Darth Subjekt
no one said that at all. We know in the EU he's faster, we know in the EU that they make him look more badass....in the EU. As far as the movies are concerned, which is the highest type of canon excet for what GL says, he is slower than PT era fighters. No one judged him on his speed. Quite the contrary on Ush's part. He said he's still the ultimate villian. As I said before, its not that Vader is slow, its that he's slower than he was as Anakin and in comparison to fighters in the PT. Does that mean that they can all beat him? No, of course not. You think Lucas' kid from ROTS coan beat him just cause he's faster, Hell no. Speed isnt what makes you tough. If that were the case, then Jabba wouldn't be the crime lord, someone faster would be...see what im saying? No one doubts he's faster in the EU, unfortunately, thats not canon if it contradicts the movies. Watch ANH with the commentary on and see if GL mentions it there. But he has said that they are slow due to being old and a machine man, ONLY so he can give an "in universe" explanation, rather than saying due to filming technology. If he said that, then assholes would say, "well you fixed other parts, why not that?" Which he would have to spend alot of money and time, just to mess it up worse.Do you get what im saying?
yes i get it, im sorry any ways, i apologise to every one for my ramblings and ignorance
honestly i was rambling because i looked at it the wrong way
Vader needs no speed, he has brute strength. I also think in the rise of darth vader it says his suit is built shitty. His suit catches on shit and everything. Also he kills lots of jedi over the decades and he does not need "speed" to do it. Also he kind of seems depressed the whole time, after padme dies, and he realsies the Dark Side is not everything he thought itwas meant to be.
Originally posted by San'Doria
so the EU is all wrong i take it? again show me the exact quote of him saying "vader is slow"
If you want GL's quote on Vader and Obi Wan's speed and abilities in the OT, simply pop in your ANH DVD, turn the commentary on, and select the Vader/Obi Wan fight scene. I think he pretty much sums it all up there.