Originally posted by ESB Vader
GG or CG, and we cant say the same for vader due to technology, common sense proves this, point moot
General Greivos is what I meant. And no, it is not due to technology. GL has given it a reason and that reason is because Vader is a machine. It is no longer due to technology (or lack of) that Vader is slow but becaause of the reason GL stated.
im waiting for the quote, lucas allowed james luceno to write about vader not being so slow
I doubt GL gives specifics when he gives an author permission to write a book. They are meant for entertainment - nothing more. And im sure he didnt expect it to be argued to the death on a forum like this. 😉
Originally posted by Rampant ox
General Greivos is what I meant. And no, it is not due to technology. GL has given it a reason and that reason is because Vader is a machine. It is no longer due to technology (or lack of) that Vader is slow but becaause of the reason GL stated.
i find your lack of common sense disturbing, and that reason is because 30 years ago CG did not exist, look at the alien queen in the alien trilogy, are you going to say she is slow because of no CG?
AvP proved that wrong due to CG
again i want the exact quote
Originally posted by ESB Vader
i find your lack of common sense disturbing, and that reason is because 30 years ago CG did not exist, look at the alien queen in the alien trilogy, are you going to say she is slow because of no CG?
No, 30 years ago CGI did not exist, and im sure Vader would be shown as faster if it did. But that is a 'what if' scenario. It didnt happen so forget about. We have now got Vader being slow and a perfectly reasonable explanation to go with it. Nothing is going to change that fact.
I find your completely lack of common sense and pointless accusations more disturbing than anything, ESBV.
Go find the quote yourself.
I also wish to note that Grievous is almost fully robotic, unlike Vader. All Grievous has is that little gut sack and his brain. Vader has his body minus all limbs and other things...
ESBV, Vader is my favorite character, and i thin kits a piss poor excuse, but thats what it is!! He is unfortunately slow. There's no point in arguing it. EU is not canon, MOVIES are, random authors are not canon, LUCAS is. The quote was said in a tv spot where he was talking about TPM, and why those fights were "better". No ones going to take the time to fetch it for you. Just accept it as i have. It is useless..to resist, ESBV. All you do, is keep repeating yourself and points that other people state in a rhetorical sense. Vader, as far as canon is considered, is slower than the PT era. Maybe not slow in the terms of what we think is slow, but as far as Jedi/Sith combatants are concerned, he's slow.
But you're right, speed does NOT equal how tough you are. Slow does not equal weak, or pwnable. Fast does not equal powerful or mean you're always going to win. Vader is still badass.
Originally posted by ESB VaderGod damn it... we know that Vader was only slow because of the lack of tecnology. We KNOW!
i find your lack of common sense disturbing, and that reason is because 30 years ago CG did not exist, look at the alien queen in the alien trilogy, are you going to say she is slow because of no CG?AvP proved that wrong due to CG
again i want the exact quote
GL needed a reason as to why he was slow. The movies are supposed to flow into one another, he can't have half being uber fast and the rest being uber slow for no apparent reason. He had to have reasons as to why Vader and co. slowed down.
F*ck.
yes i agree rex he did get slower due to his suit and his legs, but i dont think he is as slow as he is in ANH, in TESB and ROTJ he was decent, especially in TESB he was calm and graceful, he isnt that slow, it only looked slow because of the PT, when the OT first came out, anh esb and rotj looked fast, but now the pt is faster, agreeble?
if yes then i will stop rambling
Well, believing GL or otherwise is irrelevant; his word is law.
And the fight in ANH was a very different fight- a fight between two Masters, neither in condition to be wildly physical any more. Similarly, Windu fighting Palpatine was a very different affair from, say, the Maul fight. Styles chanage.
But Vader is undeniably slow; the evidence is on-screen for all to se, and the EU is overridden. ESB Vader, I refer you to the canon threads noted at the top of the film sections, and ask that you respect the policy of this board. We follow Lucasfilm's own direction on canon policy, which is that the films take precedence over all.
slow? in TESB he was decent enough to be considered average.
and still we have to give credit to the EU of vader, we CANNOT ignore that, so, does the movie effect what vader does outside the imagination of lucas like in the EU? gl cant do anything to vader in the EU, its outside the dimensions of lucas, only a hard statement made by him can crush what ever has been made in the EU which apparantly did not happen since he allowed vader the ultimate guide and RODV to be written about vader not being so slow.
i dont deny him being slow, but in TESB the fight was quite similar to windu vs palpatine, they werent fightning with brutality, those two fights fought with precide accuracy and balanced between strength, between speed, between agility which vader lacked.
my point to every one is, because you are slow, doesnt mean you are weak or will lose, vader there proved that to us in the EU, he did it as he was in the movies, being slower than his predessor.
my message is to those who think vader is weak, that vaders speed make him weak, that message is, he is stronger than alot of other sith lords, his personality, his badassnes, his patience, because of his personality id put him above every other sith lord
and ok slow to you all but slow to GL? i think not since of what he wrote in the scripts, slow to me? no, i think its decent,
Holy sh!t ESBV, did you even read my last post? He is not slow per se, just slow compared to the Jedi of the PT era. Seriously, just drop it. You will not win here. There's no point in arguing. And if you want the quote its something very similar to this:
"Well you have to understand that during the time of TPM, all the Jedi practiced their saber dueling. They were constantly training, whereas in the OT, nobody kept up with it. There was essentially no one to fight with. So when it came to the OB1 and Vader fight, it was basically an old man fighting a machine man. So thats why the fights in the TPM are faster and more flashy. I wanted to show how the Jedi used to fight."
Now thats not an exact quote mind you, but close and gets the same point across. He's sitting there with a vader figure on his left and a TounToun(spelling?) on his right. If you want to see it THAT bad, then goddamn it go to google and type in George Lucas interviews and you're bound to find it.
ESBV, you are stretching credibility to the limit if you watch the OT fights and say they are as fast as the PT ones. That is simply not an option.
There is no arguing this. There seriously is not. Movies override EU. Movies make out that the OT combatants are, in their various ways, not up to PT standards. Vader is clearly shown as slow, with nothing approaching his former athleticism.
And there does not need to be any specific statement for the EU to be rendered wring. vader is clearly seen as slow, and said by GL to be less competent than duellists of the PT era. Anything in the EU that onctradicts that is therefore wrong.
That is not an opinion. It is fact. That is how canon policy works.
You have to accept that here.