Thrawn vs Revan.

Originally posted by jollyjim311
Yeah, tactics don't men shit! You're not that bright, are you? Thrawn has better tactics than Revan. And why does Revan get an army of Sith? Thrawn has a solid victory.

Actually if you read my post, in close Ship to Ship battle, tactics are worth nothing, actually anything in upfront combat destroys tactics, and without them, Thrawn's in the Shithole, especially since Revan can use Force Storms according to people who read this Bane novel

And as to the Sith, I'm assuming he would along with his other Sith soldiers, and Thrawn has Noghri(sp) and any other Imperial things

Thrawn really just can't win this.

Revan is capable of producing Force Storms? As in Palpatine-class ones, or the upgraded Force lightning variants displayed in KotoR?

In terms of sheer tactical ability, Thrawn is superior to Revan. By how much, I couldn't tell you. But Thrawn has been stated, I think, in a few sourcebooks as the greatest ever. He is titled as such in the Hand of Thrawn duology.

I can see Revan winning if he uses the Force to its highest degree. Then he'd simply slaughter Thrawn.

Take his Force powers away, and you have the reverse.

And, since when can Revan use Battle Meditation?

Escape is back!!! Wow.. And Revan has Battle Precog, not meditation.

Well he might have learned it from Bastila, or is this pre-KoToR Revan?

Anyways, as said, Revan just needs to move in his ships, where Tactics become useless, then use the Force in anyway possible, knock out a few ships, possibly Thrawn himself

And you think Thrawn is just going to stand there as Revan moves in?

Originally posted by Darth Sexy
Escape is back!!! Wow.. And Revan has Battle Precog, not meditation.

Yeah. My computer was messed up. And, I took a break from KMC after that mess that happened on EoD (which I've "quit"😉.

Anyways, as I told Illustrious on EoD, precognition is fallible in Star Wars, even when under the command of extremely powerful Force users (ie: Palpatine, Yoda, Luke, ect).

We don't know how handy it'll be. Especially against someone as unpredictable and as skilled as Thrawn.

@ Kreiger:

Well he might have learned it from Bastila, or is this pre-KoToR Revan?

This isn't sarcasm, but I wasn't aware that Battle Meditation was "teachable". Otherwise, the Jedi wouldn't have been so dependant on Bastilla for their fight against Revan in the first place.

Anyways, as said, Revan just needs to move in his ships, where Tactics become useless, then use the Force in anyway possible, knock out a few ships, possibly Thrawn himself

That looks good on paper. But, unfortunately, you fail to grasp that Thrawn is simply better than Revan in tactical ability. He will defeat Revan if it comes down to sheer tactics. Revan's only chance of victory will be dependant on whether or not he can use his Force powers to turn the tide.

If he can, then he'd likely win. Otherwise, Thrawn will kill him.

Well in all fairness Escape, Revan's battle precog and brilliant strategies are what got kept him undefeated, so it wasn't fallible when he was using it.

Originally posted by Blax X
And you think Thrawn is just going to stand there as Revan moves in?

Well when you have a Star Destroyer moving at you, you have no where to go, except run, and that won't work, you have to engage, and from there tactics become useless, and Revan's Force powers will be the deciding factor, since it's basically a stalemate there

Originally posted by Darth Kreiger
Well when you have a Star Destroyer moving at you, you have no where to go, except run, and that won't work, you have to engage, and from there tactics become useless, and Revan's Force powers will be the deciding factor, since it's basically a stalemate there

Thrawn DOES have 49 other Star Destroyers to work with.

Originally posted by Darth Sexy
Well in all fairness Escape, Revan's battle precog and brilliant strategies are what got kept him undefeated, so it wasn't fallible when he was using it.

He used them against Jedi and Republic tactictions of a considerably lesser caliber than Thrawn. His precognition was fallible; he didn't see Malak turn on him, until it was too late, and that was in the heat of battle.

Not saying that it won't help. It will. But, it's not going to guarentee him a victory.

Originally posted by Escape81
Revan is capable of producing Force Storms?

It was implied in PoD that he learned them from the Ancient Sith, although I'm thinking they were somewhat downgraded from Palps'.

This isn't sarcasm, but I wasn't aware that Battle Meditation was "teachable". Otherwise, the Jedi wouldn't have been so dependant on Bastilla for their fight against Revan in the first place.

Erm, the jedi were only so dependant on Bastilla's battle meditation because she was so gifted at it. I'm sure there were others who knew it, just not as skilled at it as Bastilla.

Oh, and Odan-Urr teaches it to Memit Nadill in TOTJ.

Originally posted by Kas'Im
Erm, the jedi were only so dependant on Bastilla's battle meditation because she was so gifted at it. I'm sure there were others who knew it, just not as skilled at it as Bastilla.

Oh, and Odan-Urr teaches it to Memit Nadill in TOTJ.

I see.

Well, then, there you go. They were dependant soley on here. I suppose it'd be reasonable to assume that she was the most gifted user that the Jedi had.

It is unlikely that Revan possesses anything close, as he relied on her to use Battle Meditation against Malak's forces at the end of KotoR.

Originally posted by Crimson King
Thrawn DOES have 49 other Star Destroyers to work with.

Umm yea, and Revan has 49 others too, what's your point exactly?

Originally posted by Darth Kreiger
Umm yea, and Revan has 49 others too, what's your point exactly?

Rushing in would get Revan killed. Charging at someone blindly will get you killed, even when your'e a jedi. When Revan rushes for Thrawn's Star Destroyer alone, he's gonna be under fire the whole time. He will not survive to get off a shot at Thrawn.

Shields, they can take the assualts, just gotta charge their weapons for a single all out blast for once he's close, Thrawn's fleet goes Bye-Bye

Originally posted by Darth Kreiger
Shields, they can take the assualts, just gotta charge their weapons for a single all out blast for once he's close, Thrawn's fleet goes Bye-Bye

Unfortunately, a blast from a Star Destroyer won't be sufficient to make Thrawn's fleet "go bye bye", considering how Thrawn's ships also possess shields - and he knows far more about Star Destroyers than Revan does.

Thrawn > Revan.

You need to understand that.

The only way Revan will win is if he has some magical Force power that could turn the tide.

how is one charged weapon going to take out an entire fleet? You don't think that Thrawn can do the same?

People people people, this isn't a duel these too are in. I know people are all on Revan's nuts right now cause of Banes book, but this is a strateigic matter here. Who is better than Thrawn at that? No one. Revan was good, but not that good. Provided they both have equal ships/fleets, Thrawn would take this. The only person I've ever heard of taking out a fleet with the force, was Palps. I don't think Revan could do it.

oops, sorry.