revan vs exar kun

sry for being unclear about my upper post, what i meant is, if you use the force to create a shield around you, it is useless against a drain, especially drains from nihilus and exar kun, because the force drain targets the user, it drains the force, and the force shield is from the force, created by a force user, so? that can prove a force shield is useless against a force drain who has been brought up to such heights, both draining whole planets, nihilus on katar and exar kun draining the massasi on yavin.

The technique used by Exar and Traya are different.

Exar drained the the Massassi in order to preserve his spirit. Essentially by doing that, he killed himself.

If Exar tries a regular force drain, then Revan can counter with his own.

Traya attack was different from conventional drains. It was an
"attack to which there was no defence" using a technique of the ancient Sith from Malachor 5.

The amulet blast, from what I observe is inferior to the technique that Bane learned from Revan. The amulet blast destroyed temple doors. The blast of force energy used by Bane (learned from Revan) nearly pulverized Kas'im's flesh into pulpy liquid and completely tore apart a 20 story temple.

Bane mentioned that Revan knew techniques in the force "to terrible for even a true Sith master to use."
I still see Revan taking this, albeit after a long and difficult fight.

I wouldn't call Bane's technique more effective than the amulet blast, considering the amulet blast doesn't have a limit. It'll just get more and more powerful. However it is clear that Revan knew the thought bomb and the force storm, and it's unclear whether Kun knew anything other than his stasis field.

Originally posted by darthsith19
Yes, perhaps he could beat Kun. But Bane seems strong, too. People think that Anakin was strong for collapsing a room in LOE, Bane collapsed an entire temple!

Yes but Anakin did it by yelling, and by sheer force of willpower.

Bane used an actual attack, I'd put Anakin's above Bane's simply because Bane used an attack (a VERY powerful one) but Anakin's sheer raw power collapsed a building (not a room) simply because he was angry.

Much different circumstances really.

Originally posted by ((The_Anomaly))
Yes but Anakin did it by yelling, and by sheer force of willpower.

Bane used an actual attack, I'd put Anakin's above Bane's simply because Bane used an attack (a VERY powerful one) but Anakin's sheer raw power collapsed a building (not a room) simply because he was angry.

Much different circumstances really.

That was not really the point now was it?

You don't want to see what happens when Bane gets angry.

Originally posted by zephiel7
The technique used by Exar and Traya are different.

Exar drained the the Massassi in order to preserve his spirit. Essentially by doing that, he killed himself.

If Exar tries a regular force drain, then Revan can counter with his own.

Traya attack was different from conventional drains. It was an
"attack to which there was no defence" using a technique of the ancient Sith from [b]Malachor 5.

The amulet blast, from what I observe is inferior to the technique that Bane learned from Revan. The amulet blast destroyed temple doors. The blast of force energy used by Bane (learned from Revan) nearly pulverized Kas'im's flesh into pulpy liquid and completely tore apart a 20 story temple.

Bane mentioned that Revan knew techniques in the force "to terrible for even a true Sith master to use."
I still see Revan taking this, albeit after a long and difficult fight. [/B]

proof that revan can counter with his own? he does not have that ability, bane and revan have never demonstrated that ability, and force drain is force drain there are no variations, nihilus was instant, and exars drain didnt kill him self, you are saying things like "R3V@N w!lL w!N B3CoS H3 H@S M@Ny T2cHnIqUeS", number one revan doesnt have force drain, and the blast bane did, is nothing compared to kuns, kuns amulet destyroyed a sith wyrm, it killed freedon nadd instantly, exar kun even froze over a hundred thousand people in the senate. and kuns amulet in the past was able to blow up a star. kun has sith alchemy, something revan didnt know, and remember the theta system? aleema created sith illusions and it nearly destroyed the entire republic fleet

and exars force drain isnt a regular one, his is one which drained an entire planet, he did it on the scale nihilus did, that would finish revan

well kuns feats are here.
1. unlimited blasts, gets double power every time he gets more and more angry.
2. demonstarted a force push which sent sylvia flying in the senate.
3. froze over a hundred thousand people in the senate
4. the DS source book claims he has mastered lighting to its highest degree, we have never seen him demonstarte lightning
5.the most innovative person iv seen
6. sith alchemy, you will never know whats its capable off and from the kotor game and the novel, i doubt revan knows anything about it
7. he instantly killed freedons nadds spirit with the amulet, and already zuka i kotor2 said nadd is far worse than revan can ever be, and it takes power to do that, and the spirit of nadd could have killed exar and nearly did in his tomb

proof that revan can counter with his own? he does not have that ability, bane and revan have never demonstrated that ability, and force drain is force drain there are no variations, nihilus was instant, and exars drain didnt kill him self, you are saying things like "R3V@N w!lL w!N B3CoS H3 H@S M@Ny T2cHnIqUeS",

Firstly punctuation is your friend. Secondly, Revan did demonstrate force drain, hell Malak demonstrated force drain when he was fighting Revan (he used it against the Jedi in the capsules). You seem to forget that Revan was at Malachor 5, that was where Traya learned the technique in the first place.

By your logic, Traya pwns LOTF Luke because she knows knows drain? Didn't think so. See, logic > you.

point moot

number one revan doesnt have force drain, and the blast bane did, is nothing compared to kuns, kuns amulet destyroyed a sith wyrm, it killed freedon nadd instantly,

Oh and I suppose letting loose a blast of force energy that totally shattered a twenty story building does not compare with destroying a temple doors and a single sith wyrm? Nice use of logic my boy, 💃

try again

exar kun even froze over a hundred thousand people in the senate.

I suppose Jorus C'baoth PWNS all now?

Very nice, keep it up noob.

and kuns amulet in the past was able to blow up a star.

ROFLMAO! Way to invent bullshit man! I have read all the Kun comics my friend, and there WAS NOTHING stating him or his amulets blew up a star. Nice try though...

kun has sith alchemy, something revan didnt know, and remember the theta system?

OMG are you even capable of reasoning logically? What is he going to do, make a Sith poison out of thin air using alchemy while he is battling Revan. No son, that would be the stupidest thing he could do.

aleema created sith illusions and it nearly destroyed the entire republic fleet

Um, do you have Attention defficiency syndrome or something? No offense man, but WTF does this have to do with anything?

Every technique Bane learned was from Revan, he learned sith magic and rituals that are described by Bane as being too dangerous for "any sith master to use."

killed freedons nadds spirit with the amulet

Oh yes, Kun killed a Sith spirit. Yes, ignore the fact that Sith spirits become drastically weaker as time passes.

I have yet to see a single well formulated point on your part. Hell you even lied at one point to support the bullshit you claim to pass up as an argument. Kun destroying a star. LOL.

the most innovative person iv seen

.... point proven

Originally posted by Darth Sexy
You don't want to see what happens when Bane gets angry.

Yes I do. 😛

The fact is that Bane used a TECHNIQUE to do it, Anakin was just mad, he didn't even try to wreck something and he doesn't know a technique to do it, his emotions alone crushed that building.

Originally posted by kamikz
Yes I do. 😛

The fact is that Bane used a TECHNIQUE to do it, Anakin was just mad, he didn't even try to wreck something and he doesn't know a technique to do it, his emotions alone crushed that building.

Anakin didn't totally destroy a twenty story building with pure force energy (akin to the one demonstrated by Exar Kun).

It was so great that it nearly turned Kas'im the best duelist in the galaxy into goo...

Originally posted by zephiel7
Firstly punctuation is your friend. Secondly, Revan did demonstrate force drain, hell Malak demonstrated force drain when he was fighting Revan (he used it against the Jedi in the capsules). You seem to forget that Revan was at Malachor 5, that was where Traya learned the technique in the first place.

Originally posted by zephiel7 ,
By your logicTraya pwns LOTF Luke because she knows knows drain? Didn't think so. See, logic > you.

point moot
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did i say kreia would >>> lotf luke? luke can denfend against drain, revan cant, no against drain which had done masssive damage at such a scale, normal force drain like malaks can be defended, not like nihilus or exar kun,

Originally posted by zephiel7 ,

Oh and I suppose letting loose a blast of force energy that totally shattered a twenty story building does not compare with destroying a temple doors and a single sith wyrm? Nice use of logic my boy, 💃

try again
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Originally posted by zephiel7 ,

I suppose Jorus C'baoth PWNS all now?

Very nice, keep it up noob.
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Originally posted by zephiel7 ,

OMG are you even capable of reasoning logically? What is he going to do, make a Sith poison out of thin air using alchemy while he is battling Revan. No son, that would be the stupidest thing he could do.
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Originally posted by zephiel7 ,
Every technique Bane learned was from Revan, he learned sith magic and rituals that are described by Bane as being too dangerous for "any sith master to use."
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Originally posted by zephiel7 ,
Oh yes, Kun killed a Sith spirit. Yes, ignore the fact that Sith spirits become drastically weaker as time passes.
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Originally posted by zephiel7 ,
I have yet to see a single well formulated point on your part. Hell you even lied at one point to support the bullshit you claim to pass up as an argument. Kun destroying a star. LOL. [/B]

ESB Vader, you have no point.

no point? of what? not happy? read this, this is when kun FIRST used the amulet and being a N00b using it

congratulations. Now prove Kun could use the amulet again with that much intensity DURING A FIGHT WITH AN EQUALLY POWERFUL SITH LORD..

then ask yourself would revan be stupid enough to stand in the way of a blast of the amulet? would he be that stupid? he would dodge? yes? correct! and how is he going to fight back if he has to constantly dodge the blasts? 1 known way to defend, dodge, it tood down a small part of a temple WITH A SMALL BLAST and killed a sith wyrm with only a minor blast

and exar kuns drain is different from revans or malaks, it is nearly as powrful as nihilus, instantly killing any life on the planet and we just saw how fast it was in TOTJ

revan may have known many techniques but there is no proof to show that he has been using them? like exar not using lightning? even when books claim they have those techniques

ok did revan demonstrate drain, but did he use it often? did he brought it to such heights as nihilus and exar did?

You are mixing up this power. You are assuming that it is a technique that instantly took the force out of its victim? That would be wrong, my friend.

Look at this image.

Whoops, I guess you were wrong.

Notice how it states that ritual forces him to shed the chains of his mortal body.

did i say kreia would >>> lotf luke? luke can denfend against drain,

Oh, so you assume that Revan can't defend against Kun's drain as well? Despite the fact that Revan also knew drain?

and i suppose it compares to the amulet which has been prove that it has no limits and its power doubles everytime the user gets angry?

Proove that he won't be defeated by Revan's force storm. It was a technique that was at one point shaky on its existance. After the book, it was stated that Revan knew force storm.

Exar Kun knew lightning, very different from a force storm which is far larger in magnitude.

and when exar kun used it very minimal it did so much damage?

Lol, it did so much damage to Aleema there. She still survived after Exar Kun used the amulet blast.

Really, do you think that if a weakling like Aleema (who had a bare connection to the force) survived, then Darth Revan coudn't just deflect it. The blast of energy that Kun used was able to destroy non force sensitives. Really...

When pitted against a force user, even Aleema survived.

o? sidious mastered lighting and it instantly killed a jedi in empires end,

ROFLMAO, there you go bringing irrelevant points into the discussion.

no, make a sith wyrm? but that be stupid right? yes you are correct that is dumb

OH RIGHT DOOD! EXAR KUN just pops out a sith wyrm from his ass during combat. 💃

so? bane was the one who demonstrated them not revan, revan has never demonstrated any of these abilities, the book only claims he did and cant prove it

Yes, because the book (official canon) stated Revan could use the techniques actually means he couldn't. Right...

Sorry, but I would rather trust official canon than you, a poor debater.

yes he killed one which could have killed him, o and spirits became weaker?

Right... despite the fact that Nadd states explicitly that his powers were limited as a Sith ghost...

LOL!!!!! did i say kun destroyed a start? read my post, i said IN THE PAST it was used to blow up by a start by whom??? by NAGA SADOW and his sith alchemy!

Wow you really are noob. The reason why that Star blew up is because of Sadow's ship...NOT because of the amulets. Its been stated in NEC.

Originally posted by zephiel7
You are mixing up this power. You are assuming that it is a technique that instantly took the force out of its victim? That would be wrong, my friend.

Look at this image.

lol!! that proved that it was instant on a victim, it took time, as short amount of time to cover the whole planet, you proved yourself wrong

Originally posted by zephiel7

Oh, so you assume that Revan can't defend against Kun's drain as well? Despite the fact that Revan also knew drain?
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despite the fact that revans drain was not as powerful as nihilus or kun

Originally posted by zephiel7
Proove that he won't be defeated by Revan's force storm. It was a technique that was at one point shaky on its existance. After the book, it was stated that he knew the technique.

Exar Kun knew lightning, very different from a force storm which is far larger in magnitude.

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Originally posted by zephiel7

Lol, it did so much damage to Aleema there. She still survived after Exar Kun used the amulet blast.

Really, do you think that if a weakling like Aleema (who had a bare connection to the force) survived, then Darth Revan coudn't just deflect it.

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Originally posted by zephiel7
OH RIGHT DOOD! EXAR KUN just pops out a sith wyrm from his ass during combat. 💃

Yes, because the book (official canon) stated Revan could use the techniques actually means he couldn't. Right...

Sorry, but I would rather trust official canon than you, a poor debater.

Right... despite the fact that Nadd states explicitly that his powers were limited as a Sith ghost...

Wow you really are noob. The reason why that Star blew up is because of Sadow's ship...NOT because of the amulets. Its been stated in NEC. [/B]

1. lol firstly revan has never used them in the jedi civil war, the time when he is prime in his abilities

2. as if you are a good debator,

3. and the fact kun lost his powers 4000 years later and yet physically killed luke

4. the amulet was also needed with the ship, read the fall of the sith empire, yes i was partly wrong on that

and that small blast on aleema? even that sent her flying, look closely again and kun was not angry so there fore it was not destructive and also he didnt make it destructive towards her

and note the fact that kun has done far more impressive things than revan, freeaing hunderds and thousands of people

lol!! that proved that it was instant,

Oh wow.. I supposed you missed the point where he had to be tied to an altar and his body was destroyed thus freeing his spirit.

despite the fact that revans drain was not as powerful as nihilus or kun

Show me where his force drain was actually used in a battle. He his "mortal shell" crumbled after he used it. It can't be replicated in an actual battle situation.

proof that revan has ever demonstrated or used storm? the book stated he knows it, like i said DE palpatine knew everything and yet doesnt demonstrate spear of midnight black, even kun has never used lightning and you assume they do

It was stated in KOTOR by the Rakatans. His storm slaughtered their army of warriors.

LOL!!!! number 1, he was not angry and that was a really minimal blast, remember the pic i posted? it said the power doubles with every pulse of anger, kun only did it to stun aleema as claimed by other sources and thus was not angry.

Right, please state what sources say that he only "stunned" Aleema. Looks like your making BS again.

and that wasnt a full scale blast.

Wait a second buddy.. You are asking me to prove a negative? If you claim that Kun's blasts are strong as they are, the onus is on you to prove why it didn't kill Aleema. Offer exact quotations or sources. I will check them up.

no1 has ever deflected it and kun has never used it to its max, why? because no one was a big enough threat and as i said prove that revan can delflect it

Oh yes, because Revan can create a force storm with large enough magnitude to crush a Rakatan army and also possessed a technique that was able to obliterate objects the size of 20 story temples means he could not deflect a blast of energy that only stunned the "weakling Aleema." Very nice use of logic there.

lol firstly revan has never used them in the jedi civil war, the time when he is prime in his abilities

Oh right despite the fact in "Path Of Destruction" it states that he was capable of such abilities. Sorry man but canon sources are still > your interpretation.

and the fact kun lost his powers 4000 years later and yet physically killed luke

Right, while he was using Kyp Durron's body, and while Luke was keeping his guard down.

the amulet was also needed with the ship, read the fall of the sith empire

Key word being with the ship....How exactly is he going to replicate the technique when he does not have the technology with him in the duel? Furthermore even a weakling like Aleema could perform the technique. Point moot.

Look I got to go out. I got your PM, and sure man, insults will be kept to a minimum. 😛

Right, please state what sources say that he only "stunned" Aleema.

Sorry, what I meant is please state a source which says he only "meant" to stun Aleema.

If his attack cannot directly pierce through the shield of Aleema, how can similar blasts hurt Revan? Especially givent the fact that in Path of Destruction it is stated how Revan was formidable enough to use sith abilities like the thought bomb, force storm etc.,

Originally posted by zephiel7
Lol, it did so much damage to Aleema there. She still survived after Exar Kun used the amulet blast. Really, do you think that if a weakling like Aleema (who had a bare connection to the force) survived, then Darth Revan coudn't just deflect it. The blast of energy that Kun used was able to destroy non force sensitives. Really...

Though I'd [somewhat] agree with the rest of your argument, it's apparent that Kun didn't use an amulet blast on Aleema. It would appear to actually be Sith magic, because it takes seems to take the same form Aleema demonstrated one panel earlier, it does not look the same whatsoever as the DBZ amulet blasts (squiggly lines, red, etc.), and his dialogue of "Pretender! Nadd has only taught you the beginnings of Sith power, woman -- but I have learned everything!", to me, seems to indicate that he was using the same attack expect with more powerful. There's also the fact that the blast didn't even so much as put a burn on Aleema's dress, even if it was toned down - there isn't even a little singe.

I doubt it's the same attack.