revan vs exar kun

Originally posted by Advent
Though I'd [somewhat] agree with the rest of your argument, it's apparent that Kun didn't use an amulet blast on Aleema. It would appear to actually be Sith magic, because it takes seems to take the same form Aleema demonstrated one panel earlier, it does not look the same whatsoever as the DBZ amulet blasts (squiggly lines, red, etc.), and his dialogue of "Pretender! Nadd has only taught you the beginnings of Sith power, woman -- but I have learned everything!", to me, seems to indicate that he was using the same attack expect with more powerful. There's also the fact that the blast didn't even so much as put a burn on Aleema's dress, even if it was toned down - there isn't even a little singe.

I doubt it's the same attack.

It's possible that Aleema put up a shield just in time to prevent herself from being obliterated.

What ESB Vader's argument hinges on is that Kun will just go ballistic with the amulets. If he were THAT crazy with them, he would have pawned all the Jedi attacking him by amplifying his hatred by 1000 times. (aka Goku style)

That clearly is not the case. It's like saying that Revan will start unleashing blasts of energy that will collapse 30 twenty foot temples and unleash a force storm to kill his enemies.

Obviously that is not the situation.

Originally posted by zephiel7
It's possible that Aleema put up a shield just in time to prevent herself from being obliterated.

That's highly doubtful considering there is no indication. I'm going to say there's no proof it's the same attack, ergo you cannot claim it to be such nor take it into evidence.

The rest is...great? I don't really care, lol (not to be rude or anything, just saying). Although, I can agree.

Originally posted by darthsith19
Whatever, Bane > Anakin, you think that Anakin could destroy a temple with the Force? Yeah right. Bane'd pwn him.

I didn't say Anakin> Bane. All I said was Anakin's feat is more inherently impressive due to the fact that Anakin destroyed a building out of sheer will power, where as Bane used a force attack. Anakin's raw power alone destroyed a building, Bane used a very powerful force power. Obviously Bane's was more destructive, but it was meant to be destructive, since it was an attack. Anakins was extremely destructive, and was not even an attack.

Basically the point I was making is let Anakin learn that attack, and he'd WTFpwn an island or something. Since his sheer raw power alone is enough to destroy a building, which is far more impressive then an attack that is MEANT to cause destruction. Remember, Anakin is a guy who's potential was 200% of Palpatine's. Thats more WTFpwnage in one finger then Bane could ever hope to muster up.

It is pretty obvious that Kun used the same attack on Aleema that she tried on him. It was not an amulet blast

Exactly.

That's highly doubtful considering there is no indication. I'm going to say there's no proof it's the same attack, ergo you cannot claim it to be such nor take it into evidence.

Fair enough, but it is unfair to assume that such a technique is unblockable via force shield for a Sith Lord who knew techniques as deadly as the force storm and thought bomb. Especially when said Sith Lord knew the technique to create suchmassive bursts of energy without amulets.

For the record people... I sure as HELL don't think this is an easy battle. Just in case people thought I did.

ok i read ur arguements, some flaws in them, note that i do respect them.

Originally posted by zephiel7
Oh wow.. I supposed you missed the point where he had to be [b]tied to an altar and his body was destroyed thus freeing his spirit.

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well he tied himself to the pillar because it in my opinion was the centre of all the massassis, the fastest way to drain them all, also he did that like you said to release his spirit, a drain can be used anywhere, kun like u said tied himself to a pillar to release his spirit

Originally posted by zephiel7
Show me where his force drain was actually used in a battle. He his "mortal shell" crumbled after he used it. It can't be replicated in an actual battle situation.
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Originally posted by zephiel7
It was stated in KOTOR by the Rakatans. His storm slaughtered their army of warriors. [/B]

Originally posted by zephiel7
Right, please state what sources say that he only "stunned" Aleema. Looks like your making BS again. [/B]

Originally posted by zephiel7
Wait a second buddy.. You are asking me to prove a negative? If you claim that Kun's blasts are strong as they are, the onus is on you to prove why it didn't kill Aleema. Offer exact quotations or sources. I will check them up. [/B]

Originally posted by zephiel7
Oh yes, because Revan can create a force storm with large enough magnitude to crush a Rakatan army and also possessed a technique that was able to obliterate objects the size of 20 story temples means he could not deflect a blast of energy that only stunned the "weakling Aleema." Very nice use of logic there. [/B]

Originally posted by zephiel7
Oh right despite the fact in "Path Of Destruction" it states that he was capable of such abilities. Sorry man but canon sources are still > your interpretation.
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Originally posted by zephiel7
Right, while he was using Kyp Durron's body, and while Luke was keeping his guard down.
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Originally posted by zephiel7

Key word being with the ship....How exactly is he going to replicate the technique when he does not have the technology with him in the duel? Furthermore even a weakling like Aleema could perform the technique. Point moot.

Look I got to go out. I got your PM, and sure man, insults will be kept to a minimum. 😛 [/B]

ok that i am confused because the first page of DLOTS said that the amulets were a very powerful tool of the darkside, maybe im wrong on that one

Originally posted by zephiel7
Fair enough, but it is unfair to assume that such a technique is unblockable via force shield for a Sith Lord who knew techniques as deadly as the force storm and thought bomb. Especially when said Sith Lord knew the technique to create suchmassive bursts of energy without amulets.

For the record people... I sure as HELL don't think this is an easy battle. Just in case people thought I did.

and you have to prove that a force shield would block a full scale blast from the sith amulet, no one, not even the most powerful sith lords in the galaxy would risk it,

and if the rakatans said in kotor revan used a force storm on them to destroy their armies, it directly contradicts with the saying of palpatine created this force storm, the only one who has shown this ability, a quick search on wiki and wookie proves this

Originally posted by zephiel7
It's possible that Aleema put up a shield just in time to prevent herself from being obliterated.

What ESB Vader's argument hinges on is that Kun will just go ballistic with the amulets. If he were THAT crazy with them, he would have pawned all the Jedi attacking him by amplifying his hatred by 1000 times. (aka Goku style)

That clearly is not the case. [b]It's like saying that Revan will start unleashing blasts of energy that will collapse 30 twenty foot temples and unleash a force storm to kill his enemies.

Obviously that is not the situation. [/B]

well if it makes both of us happy then why not put revan = exar kun? both have their pros and cons, agreeable? not saying kun would >>>> revan or revan would >>>> kun

read this quote Force Storm was a dark side Force power, and possibly the most powerful Force ability known. Force Storm was actually not a storm; in fact, it was the ability to create hyperspace wormholes via the dark side of the Force. A Force Storm could range from the size of a small starship, like a freighter, to huge maws capable of obliterating whole starfleets. The smaller storms appeared more easily controlled from a greater distance. No Force users, other than Palpatine, have exhibited this ability,

that proves that revans force storm was lightning, not the wormhole

well he tied himself to the pillar because it in my opinion was the centre of all the massassis, the fastest way to drain them all, also he did that like you said to release his spirit, a drain can be used anywhere, kun like u said tied himself to a pillar to release his spirit

firstly there was no one to use the amulet and the force drain on whom was a dangerous threat to exar kun, then show me, when did revan used the force storm, show me when did revan did all those uber moves, he learnt them before getting his memory wiped

that storm could refer to force storm lightning, why? because only palpatine had created the force storm, the actual one, and revans force storm contradicts with the DE hand book and source book and possibly the NEC, correct me if i am wrong

then prove to me that he sent out a fatal blast, yes i admit that was BS BUT it is true, he used it to stun her and it knocked her out

and the force u said that revan use to crush a 20 story temple was only demonstrated by bane, not by revan, and as i said, force storm was created by palpatine, even the star wars databanks said so, and kun "stunned" and not kill her because she posed no threat at all

ok that i am confused because the first page of DLOTS said that the amulets were a very powerful tool of the darkside, maybe im wrong on that one

and you have to prove that a force shield would block a full scale blast from the sith amulet, no one, not even the most powerful sith lords in the galaxy would risk it,

and if the rakatans said in kotor revan used a force storm on them to destroy their armies, it directly contradicts with the saying of palpatine created this force storm, the only one who has shown this ability, a quick search on wiki and wookie proves this

number one, even revan would have no chance against that many jedi, exar kun certeinly didnt have a chance at all and they were in the ships.

well if it makes both of us happy then why not put revan = exar kun? both have their pros and cons, agreeable? not saying kun would >>>> revan or revan would >>>> kun

Originally posted by Darth Sexy

Your argument ends when I tell you Revan is even stronger when his memory is wiped. And just because he didn't use the force storm or force drain, doesn't mean he didn't know them. In fact he does know them and it's confirmed.

Because it's not about what makes you happy, it's about searching for facts and making logical conclusions/deductions. At this point there is a solid case for Revan>Kun.

then ask yourself, would revan RISK making a force storm while standing in the middle of kuns blast? ask yourself that,

Originally posted by Darth Sexy

Your argument ends when I tell you Revan is even stronger when his memory is wiped. And just because he didn't use the force storm or force drain, doesn't mean he didn't know them. In fact he does know them and it's confirmed.

and revan ripped the rakatan army with the force storm? not impressed, exar kun froze over a hundred thousand senators with this stasis field

and drained all the massassi to extinction

and prove that revans force storm is exactly like the one palpatine did, i believe its the force storm lightning not the wormhole, show me the exact quote DS

and read this , from wiki and wookie

Drain - Same as Heal, except that the user drains the target's Force reserve and/or health to fuel the regenerative process, or to replenish their own strength in the Force. Greater aptitude allows exceptional execution speed and the ability to drain multiple target at once. Very few (such as Exar Kun and Darth Nihilus) have taken this ability to such heights that they can feed on entire worlds at a time; Kun was also able through this power to entrench his soul in the Massassi temple on Yavin IV. Nihilus' entrenchment in the power was so deep that he required constant feeding simply to stay alive. Emperor Palpatine fed off the inhabitants of his retreat world of Byss collectively with his dark side adepts.

and this

Storm - Palpatine was able to generate and control, to a degree, self-sustaining storms of warped spacetime of a limited duration. These storms could range from the size of a small starship to huge maws capable of obliterating entire starfleets. The smaller storms are more easily controlled, and can be manipulated from greater distances. No other known Force user has exhibited this extraordinarily devastating talent. This power was used in the Dark Empire series of comics.

the 2nd paragraph i showed to you proved that revans force storm is nothing similar to palpatines storm, as i said it is force-storm-lightning

and this

Among the most destructive Force powers ever unleashed, the Thought Bomb was only known to be activated by Lord Kaan and members of the Brotherhood of Darkness during the Battle of Ruusan. The Thought Bomb exterminates all life within a large radius (known to be potentially as large as a planet) by targeting the brain or nucleus (with one-celled organisms and such) and wiping out all information in it. Force-sensitive beings are sucked towards the source of the bomb, as if by an immense gravity well. Ever since Lord Kaan detonated the Thought Bomb, Ruusan has been left uninhabited. The only people to ever escape a Thought Bomb were Darth Bane and the young girl he took as his apprentice.

this one proves that revan has never used the thought bomb although he knew it

honestly revan is the most overrated sw charactor, a year ago people even said revan could wtf pwn njo luke

there sexy, i broke your arguements completely, this proves that revan knew the techniques, but doesnt use them as often. the force storm he used in my poiint of view is a last resort, to fight an entire army or rakatans, and i broke your arguements about how powerful kuns drains are.

like i said in a 1v1 duel, either one could win, revan or exar, none of use so far has built a scenario on the battle, so here it is and you better damm read it,

neither one of them could use their force powers when striking or blocking each others lightsaber attacks, lets say they got into a saber lock, now this will give kun a major upperhand, why? because he has his amulet, if he uses a full scale blast on revan, its likely revan dies because the amulets power is not to be underestimated , but if he cocks up and doesnt use it to its max, revan lives and wouldnt revan be at a distance? a quick chance to activate his force powers? now at that point revan has the upperhand and kun could die fightning back against revans upgraded lightning, but you will never know, kuns blast is instant and quick,

heres another point, dooku favours lightning right? so does sidious, and in ROTS during a saber fight, dooku was not able to strike lightning, nor sidious using lightning against yoda until he was disarmed, so its more likely revan would turn to uber powers once he gets disarmed or at a good distance, revan is smart, not stupid, he wouldnt attempt to pull of a feat during a duel unless he gets disarmed, or he is at a good distance, and for exar, the blast can be used anywhere, close range combat range etc and also it depends if exar kills revan with the blast, not a "minor" blast and revan comes back with a deadly attack like force lightning

and this proves bane pulled a moon out of orbit

"Taming a flying beast using the powers of the dark side, he mounted it like the fabled Beast Riders and rode towards the edge of the atmosphere, where he planned to "nudge" the entire moon closer to its planet, Onderon, so he could cross to the inhabited world to find his apprentice. "

i dont think its from the bane novel but from another book

yea i know revan is far stronger than he was after he got wiped. and number 2 prove that revan >>> exar kun, maybe after a long match, revan wins but >>>>?

Sweet Jebus dude.

DID WE EVEN SAY THAT REVAN WAS MUCH GREATER than Exar? There is a general consensus now that Revan would win after a long and difficult battle. That was our initial position!

You seem to think we believed that Revan WTFPWNs Kun.

And by the way, the technique that Palpatine used is not quite identical to Revan's. They were both force storms, but Palpatine's overall was larger.

It still does not diminish the nature of Revan's attack however. Bane states in the novel that he learned the "storm" technique from Revan.
He demonstrates it on the Rakatans, whom stated that his ability destroyed their army.

that proves that revans force storm was lightning, not the wormhole

Bane's force storm was not like a wormhole, but it was a hell of a lot more brutal then what Sidious used. His technique nearly destroyed an entire world. The storm can be manipulated to varying degrees, as per the new canon after the Path of Destruction came out.

Force lightning is a weaker version of this attack.

sry... thought u meant revan >>>> exar kun but pls read the battle scenario, its not bull sh!t but i think its fair enough how would exar win or how would revan win, it could go either way

yea but that force storm could mean the super lightning so huge it fuked all of them up, did it say wormhole? pls tell me

i would admit that exar kun in a pure saber duel loses to windu due to maces shatterpoint but seriously, you all need to make up scenarions whom are not bias but equal, that what can happen scenario

yea but that force storm could mean the super lightning so huge it fuked all of them up, did it say wormhole? pls tell me

They called it a "force storm." Same with the Jedi vs. Sith comics. Could you scan me a reliable source saying that it was Palpatine who invented the technique. I possess a reliable source that states it was in fact the ancient Sith that created the attack.

It seems canon has changed. Path of Destruction is C canon, which means it overrides everything except that which is in the movies.

palpatines force storm is a wormhole which sucks in everything, i think revans force storm is the storm of lightning, check the DE source book and the dark side source book, it said only palpatine had invented the force storm we see in DE.

wait wait i just saw ur upper post, thats it, thats the force storm im talking about i saw it in jedi vs sith, sry dude u confused me with palpatines force storm, sidious force storm is completely different, this one ripped the fabrics of space and sucked in everything like a black hole, revans one is the super lightning which zaped every one

but no, sources proved that force storm from palpatine is the most powerful ability, so powerful it ripped the fabrics of space and is virtually unstoppable.

now back to the match, as i said if exar during a saber lock uses the blast but does not deliever a full scale onw and kill revan, there is a posibility revan will fry him with force lightning storm, the one you told me about, but it seems revan only uses it as a last resort when he is out numbered, as you and i say this is a long battle and hard to decide who wins, the DS souce book claims that exar kun has also mastered lightning, and the highest level of lightining is similar to the storm, it wipes not one opponent but several

so i think this is more of a draw, in reality i believe that an ancient sith would pop up and ramble at them as it did the kun and ulic and tell them they should work together to rip the galaxy apart, ask yourself that, it could be true, a duo of revan and exar kun would be technically unstoppable

and the bane pulling dxun to onderon thing came from the DS source book i think,

and no i dont think the bane novel overwrites the NEC

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Force_storm read this on, i

but i think its possible the ancient sith wrote this ability in the holocrons

I am not wasting my time with you anymore ESB Vader. If you can't construct cogent arguments, you have no business being here.

then dont waste your time

Um... I just said that, thanks for repeating me.

your not welcome

w/e, I am out.

I have wasted time in my life that I will never get back.

/wave bb thread closed