Originally posted by R.O.T. Yahman
Im not suggesting they can't, infact they regularly do, but Good writers tend to be consistent. For example Waids depiction of the Thing, Morissons Superman, Geoff Johns Flash, Bendis's DareDevil, JMS Hyperion etc.
Then we don't disagree, alls i was trying to say is Writers can put Wolverine at LT Level and we can't do anything about it.
Originally posted by R.O.T. Yahman
Id like to clarify the point there is no real connection between a characters powerlevel and how well written they are.Some Suggestions :
The Thing, The Sentry, The Martian Manhunter, Gladiator, The Surfer, Darksieed, Firestorm even Ultimate Thor (among many others)
well sometimes it has to do alot with it, when they show beast gets his ass kicked all the time thats bad writing, when he just started as ape beast he was able to beat iron man and yes even gave the juggernaut a good fight, but now he gets upgrades on upgrades and still he gets his ass kicked all the time , thats already bad writing , its a fact that he is very agile but then again he is always the first x-men to be ko by someones punch , he got super human strength and yet they never show him to be strong , so yes i say his powers are a very very bad writing
Originally posted by hank_mccoy
well sometimes it has to do alot with it, when they show beast gets his ass kicked all the time thats bad writing, when he just started as ape beast he was able to beat iron man
Ehhhhhh ?????????? 😕
Originally posted by hank_mccoy
and yes even gave the juggernaut a good fight,
Its ironic that you provided these two 'apparent' events as examples of 'Good writing'. 😉
Originally posted by R.O.T. Yahman
Ehhhhhh ?????????? 😕Its ironic that you provided these two 'apparent' events as examples of 'Good writing'. 😉
what makes you think that it was bad writing? yes the part when beast kicked juggernaut ass is stupid i admit, but when he kicked iron mans ass why not? how do you even know how beast is suppose to be? he is very agile and we say that iron man got problems with fast and agile characters such as taskmaster and captain america , and beast has super human strength , i just wanted to point out that at the beginning of his Carrier he started as a bad ass and alittle after that they decided that his ass should be kicked all the time
Originally posted by hank_mccoy
what makes you think that it was bad writing? yes the part when beast kicked juggernaut ass is stupid i admit, but when he kicked iron mans ass why not? how do you even know how beast is suppose to be? he is very agile and we say that iron man got problems with fast and agile characters such as taskmaster and captain america , and beast has super human strength , i just wanted to point out that at the beginning of his Carrier he started as a bad ass and alittle after that they decided that his ass should be kicked all the time
OK so you are saying that we should throw out all Logic and say Beast can beat Iron man because
Originally posted by hank_mccoy
'the beginning of his Carrier he started as a bad ass'
Nice One ! 🙂
Originally posted by Mindship
Silver Surfer should be written more powerfully so, once and for all, he kicks Thor's arse ( 😛 j/k).
Agreed .... In-fact I think Surfer should be restored to one of Marvels most powerful characters. There are too many 'All powerful Ambiguous Comic types' in marvel that don't have anywhere near the charm or originality of the Surfer.
Originally posted by R.O.T. Yahman
OK so you are saying that we should throw out all Logic and say Beast can beat Iron man becauseNice One ! 🙂
first of all i meant at the beginning of his ape form he began as a bad ass for very very little time , and about iron man would you tell me why beast cant take iron man? iron man gets real trouble fighting characters that are faster then him , we even saw humans beating him with pipes and it took him some time to react, i know iron man has amazing feats but again beast is very fast and agile and it will be very hard for iron man to hit him , beast can just jump and avoid his attacks and in the right moment strike, a kick a punch grab iron man and slam him into a wall , and again its your logic that iron man is too much for beast now i don't say that beast will owen ironman every time they fight and in most times ironman will beat beast but beast got a chance to take him as well and if you look at beast features of his speed and agility you will see that it will be not an easy task for ironman
now tell me please what makes you think that ironman is so superior to a well written beast that will use all his feats
Originally posted by hank_mccoy
first of all i meant at the beginning of his ape form he began as a bad ass for very very little time , and about iron man would you tell me why beast cant take iron man? iron man gets real trouble fighting characters that are faster then him , we even saw humans beating him with pipes and it took him some time to react, i know iron man has amazing feats but again beast is very fast and agile and it will be very hard for iron man to hit him , beast can just jump and avoid his attacks and in the right moment strike, a kick a punch grab iron man and slam him into a wall , and again its your logic that iron man is too much for beast now i don't say that beast will owen ironman every time they fight and in most times ironman will beat beast but beast got a chance to take him as well and if you look at beast features of his speed and agility you will see that it will be not an easy task for ironmannow tell me please what makes you think that ironman is so superior to a well written beast that will use all his feats
Mate you need to catch up ... Current Extermis Iron Man is one of the fastest characters around, he no longer gets beaten up by the Taskmaster, look what he did to Cap in the recent Civil War fight.
Originally posted by R.O.T. Yahman
Mate you need to catch up ... Current Extermis Iron Man is one of the fastest characters around, he no longer gets beaten up by the Taskmaster, look what he did to Cap in the recent Civil War fight.
no no no, i am not talking about the current one, i am talking about the one that beast kicked his ass in the amazing adventures, you said that its unreal for beast to take on him and i asked you why is that so i am talking about that fight , i bet you never saw that fight even
Originally posted by hank_mccoy
no no no, i am not talking about the current one, i am talking about the one that beast kicked his ass in the amazing adventures, you said that its unreal for beast to take on him and i asked you why is that so i am talking about that fight , i bet you never saw that fight even
Ok what ever have your 'victory', im bored of this retarded debate. Its like endlessly argueing that Spiderman couldn't beat FireLord.
i never meant to debate in the first place i just wanted to point that when beast just got his blue ape form he began as a bad ass for some short time but right on they show him as a punching bag and thats my point that they don't use his full potential, i almost never saw a fight where he showes his great agility , but when he is training or just doing something else they always show his great speed and agility but when he fights someone its like he loses all his feats and thats what makes me mad about the writers
Originally posted by R.O.T. YahmanI agree. The Surfer needs something drastic to happen to him. When hes not trying to save the universe, hes always lonely and just a wanderer
Agreed .... In-fact I think Surfer should be restored to one of Marvels most powerful characters. There are too many 'All powerful Ambiguous Comic types' in marvel that don't have anywhere near the charm or originality of the Surfer.
Originally posted by hank_mccoy
i never meant to debate in the first place i just wanted to point that when beast just got his blue ape form he began as a bad ass for some short time but right on they show him as a punching bag and thats my point that they don't use his full potential, i almost never saw a fight where he showes his great agility , but when he is training or just doing something else they always show his great speed and agility but when he fights someone its like he loses all his feats and thats what makes me mad about the writers
And my original point was that Over the top displays of power doesnt necessarily mean good writing. You have emulated my point. Although i haven't read the comic, but Beats beating Iron Man (Who has always been one of Marvel premier characters) doesn't seem to me like good writing.
Originally posted by R.O.T. Yahman
And my original point was that Over the top displays of power doesn't necessarily mean good writing. You have emulated my point. Although i haven't read the comic, but Beats beating Iron Man (Who has always been one of Marvel premier characters) doesn't seem to me like good writing.
when i talk about writing i see most of that part as how the characters are fighting
thats the problem, when you think about beast you always think about the fights that he lost, you always think about all the times he got his ass kicked but thats not how he suppose to be, when he just got his ape form they wanted to show a point, he gave juggernaut a beating, he beat the crap out of ironman , they wanted to say that he is a power house now, but after that they said wait a minute... we already got a powerhouse which is colossus, and a mad animal like character which is wolverine, then lets make beast the smart guy instead of another powerhouse like hulk , buy the way beast was fighting hulk too at his firs appearances at ape form and he gave hulk some beating as well , anyway they said why do we need another powerhouse? we got juggernaut hulk thing namor colossus blob act act lets make beast original , and i really like it really but still even if he is a smart guy it doesn't need to change the fact that he got other feats too, so you see when you say its impossible for beast to win against ironman don't look at the beast that always lose but think about his potential , all his agility all his speed all his super strength , he should take ironman more then you think if the writers will remember that beast is agile enough to actually dodge punches
Originally posted by hank_mccoyIron Mans class 100 with superspeed and agility from the suit. Beast would have no chance.
when i talk about writing i see most of that part as how the characters are fightingthats the problem, when you think about beast you always think about the fights that he lost, you always think about all the times he got his ass kicked but thats not how he suppose to be, when he just got his ape form they wanted to show a point, he gave juggernaut a beating, he beat the crap out of ironman , they wanted to say that he is a power house now, but after that they said wait a minute... we already got a powerhouse which is colossus, and a mad animal like character which is wolverine, then lets make beast the smart guy instead of another powerhouse like hulk , buy the way beast was fighting hulk too at his firs appearances at ape form and he gave hulk some beating as well , anyway they said why do we need another powerhouse? we got juggernaut hulk thing namor colossus blob act act lets make beast original , and i really like it really but still even if he is a smart guy it doesn't need to change the fact that he got other feats too, so you see when you say its impossible for beast to win against ironman don't look at the beast that always lose but think about his potential , all his agility all his speed all his super strength , he should take ironman more then you think if the writers will remember that beast is agile enough to actually dodge punches