characters that should be writen more powerful

Originally posted by Big Sexy
Iron Mans class 100 with superspeed and agility from the suit. Beast would have no chance.

again i am talking about the fight that beast had against ironman in the amazing adventures in the early 70s or 60s dont remember

as far as i remember ironman never showed great agility .. maybe speed of flight but he never was too fast maybe just the current one, ironman always had trouble with fast characters that made him look stupid, and beast is very very agile so he could humiliate ironman because no way ironman could deal with his agility only if he gets him randomly , again beast got super human strength also enough to pick ironman and throw him into a wall or kick and punch him do make some damage not major but enough to fight him

all that said i really dont want to make it beast vs ironman thread i just wanted it to be a thread when you can point the characters that you think should be written with better feats of strength and fighting abilities

Ok posted this two time allready but what the heck, Hank_mccoy is mad. I guess because beast should be stronger.

The McCoy Manifesto

Beast is, or was, supposed to be strong. After his ordeal with the touch of Pestilence and the absorbtion of Infectia's kiss, he was reported to be in the 70 ton range. A response to a letter in X-Factor #33 said that if he were to arm-wrestle the Thing (at the time in his strongest "spiky" form, in which he almost defeated the Mr. Fixit version of Hulk in one of the greatest melees ever recounted) the match would be "more even than you might think."

Lest you think only Louise Simonson bought into Hank McCoy's new brawn, Beast also figured prominently in that year's Avengers annual, surprising Hulk and Hercules with his strength.

Yet every stat sheet Marvel has ever done on Beast says he is as strong "as a jungle gorilla." To recap, in the original X-Men days when McCoy was a human with big feet, he was as strong as a jungle gorilla. Later he experimented on himself at the Brand Corporation and changed into his improved furry form, in which he was as strong as a jungle gorilla

(thit is also the part where beast is fighting Iron man, but I'm not sure he won it was in Amazing Adventures #12-13.
This is what happend

(Tony Stark visited Brand and, because of a crisis, both he and Hank tried to help as super heroes, yet Iron Man mistook the Beast for a villain. From a short distance, Mastermind of the Brotherhood of Evil Mutants watched and planted the illusion of having killed Iron Man in Hank’s mind. The Beast was then easily manipulated into joining the evil mutants, but they failed to recognize him as the X-Man they all had encountered before. Soon, Hank overcame the illusion and left the Brotherhood, after defeating them all by himself.)

After X-Factor's inception he reverted to human form with no apparent change in strength. Then his strength was increased at the cost of his considerable intellect by Apocalypse's horseman Pestilence. This condition was exacerbated by Infectia, leaving the Beast's strength augmented, finally, to the heretofore unreachable heights of the jungle gorilla.

Originally posted by juggernaut66666
Wolverine 😖hifty:

jawdrop

cursing

ranting

Originally posted by Brutacus
OK posted this two time allready but what the heck, Hank_mccoy is mad. I guess because beast should be stronger.

The McCoy Manifesto

Beast is, or was, supposed to be strong. After his ordeal with the touch of Pestilence and the absorbtion of Infectia's kiss, he was reported to be in the 70 ton range. A response to a letter in X-Factor #33 said that if he were to arm-wrestle the Thing (at the time in his strongest "spiky" form, in which he almost defeated the Mr. Fixit version of Hulk in one of the greatest melees ever recounted) the match would be "more even than you might think."

Lest you think only Louise Simonson bought into Hank McCoy's new brawn, Beast also figured prominently in that year's Avengers annual, surprising Hulk and Hercules with his strength.

Yet every stat sheet Marvel has ever done on Beast says he is as strong "as a jungle gorilla." To recap, in the original X-Men days when McCoy was a human with big feet, he was as strong as a jungle gorilla. Later he experimented on himself at the Brand Corporation and changed into his improved furry form, in which he was as strong as a jungle gorilla

(thit is also the part where beast is fighting Iron man, but I'm not sure he won it was in Amazing Adventures #12-13.
This is what happend

(Tony Stark visited Brand and, because of a crisis, both he and Hank tried to help as super heroes, yet Iron Man mistook the Beast for a villain. From a short distance, Mastermind of the Brotherhood of Evil Mutants watched and planted the illusion of having killed Iron Man in Hank’s mind. The Beast was then easily manipulated into joining the evil mutants, but they failed to recognize him as the X-Man they all had encountered before. Soon, Hank overcame the illusion and left the Brotherhood, after defeating them all by himself.)

After X-Factor's inception he reverted to human form with no apparent change in strength. Then his strength was increased at the cost of his considerable intellect by Apocalypse's horseman Pestilence. This condition was exacerbated by Infectia, leaving the Beast's strength augmented, finally, to the heretofore unreachable heights of the jungle gorilla.

OK my opinion of a good comic maybe different to yours, but i prefer the modern day characterisations motivated approach to comics rather than the traditional mundane CRASH BANG WALLOP ideals. IMO comics need less Truck throwers and more Blue furred genius's who can give Albert Einstein, Watson and Crick and Thomas Edison a run for their money. Anyone who suggest that the old supposedly 'Power house' version of Beast is an improvement on Wheeldons current depiction, has really bad taste IMO.

sentry

gladiator

hulk

spiderman

rhino?

they should be written better and more powerful

Galactus, and some lanters.. I'll take chips with that.

99% of Spideys Rogue gallery.

Spot

Iceman

Captain Atom

Red Tornado

Originally posted by R.O.T. Yahman
OK my opinion of a good comic maybe different to yours, but i prefer the modern day characterisations motivated approach to comics rather than the traditional mundane CRASH BANG WALLOP ideals. IMO comics need less Truck throwers and more Blue furred genius's who can give Albert Einstein, Watson and Crick and Thomas Edison a run for their money. Anyone who suggest that the old supposedly 'Power house' version of Beast is an improvement on Wheeldons current depiction, has really bad taste IMO.

So you don't mind iff a writer just changed a character all the time??
Doesn't go by the story line of the character, and where did I say I want beast to be a dumb stong guy.

The old beast was strong and smart and that is what he should be to day, he might still be strong we don't know that do we?
Wenn is the last time he took someone out, I guess it was danger, many people say that beast shouldn't be the one to take danger out, but iff you think about it he is the right man to take danger out because he's the X-men's genius, and didn't he help create danger?
I know this was off topic.

Originally posted by Brutacus
So you don't mind iff a writer just changed a character all the time??
.

If its for the sake of good writing, i think its a great idea. ! 😉

well why do you think that beast cant have both strength and brains? if he is smart does that means he needs to be pawned by everyone? he can have his features and still be smart , so giving him less abilities doesn't do anything better at all

Originally posted by Blair Wind
Spot

Iceman

Captain Atom

Red Tornado

Originally posted by Sub_Mariner
To not destroy the thread, i would like to see Beast written better.

ME, TOO!

And Jubilee, too, actually.

And Quicksilver--Bring him back to his old super-speed and make him the fastest mutant!

Nightcrawler. I've love to see him REALLY kick some ass. And not be worried about killing. At least sometimes.

But yea. Mostly Beast.

Originally posted by Metalmanx
ME, TOO!

And Jubilee, too, actually.

And Quicksilver--Bring him back to his old super-speed and make him the fastest mutant!

Nightcrawler. I've love to see him REALLY kick some ass. And not be worried about killing. At least sometimes.

But yea. Mostly Beast.

Thing, Colossus, Beast, Torch, ect..

Originally posted by Big Sexy
Iron Mans class 100 with superspeed and agility from the suit. Beast would have no chance.

Actually Iron Man is Class 90 at full power 😐

He's only Class 100 when he's hooked up to an external power source

Originally posted by Big Sexy
I like Nightcrawlers unique status. That fact that he looks that way but cares so much about life is a good paradox.

Oh yea, I love it, too. What I mean really, is that I'd like to see him break his own rules every now and then when the situation REALLY called for it, ya know?

Originally posted by Metalmanx
Oh yea, I love it, too. What I mean really, is that I'd like to see him break his own rules every now and then when the situation REALLY called for it, ya know?

Originally posted by Grimm22
Actually Iron Man is Class 90 at full power 😐

He's only Class 100 when he's hooked up to an external power source

Originally posted by Grimm22
Thing

Ya thing needs help badly 🙁