The Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit

Started by lil bitchiness4 pages

Why the emphasis on Irish? Does being Spanish and Catholic make you less knowledgable?

The father, the son, and the holy spirit are three successive modes in which a single god has manifested himself.

Re: The Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit

Originally posted by Council#13
Okay, so I'm really confused. Can someone explain this concept? They never really explain it in Church and stuff, and I feel bad about being a Roman Catholic without really understanding it.
Originally posted by mahasattva
Oh, that only reflect how poor you fail to understand Buddhism. If u talked how divinely at their birth, the Buddha himself had a divine birth; much more divine than Jesus. The baby Buddha was unsoiled by the impurities of womb birth. I don’t recall the birth of Jesus being anything more than an ordinary exit from his mother’s womb. Our baby Buddha was not an ordinary baby. He was like shining gold, shining like the sun. After he was born, he took seven steps and declared himself to be master of the cosmos. And then he laughed the loudest laugh, knowing this was to be his last birth on earth. Now that to me is much more divine than the birth of Jesus which is not even mentioned in two of the four Gospels! Be honest—don’t you think that Christians borrowed the idea of a divine birth from Buddhists since the Buddha was born over five hundred years before Jesus?

http://www.letusreason.org/Buddh1.htm

No, buddha did not have a divine birth. There is no evidence that Buddha was divine in any respect. That is simply your belief. Buddha was/is a human being, and he was born a sinner just like every other human being. Buddha was/is not the master of anything except his own self-delusion.

I know this sounds rude but if someone does not tell you the truth you will follow in Buddha's error and end up with him in Hell for eternity. I have already told you that Jesus Christ has always existed. Jesus Christ created Siddhârtha Gautama known to many as a Buddha. To my knowledge Buddha never claimed to be God. But Jesus did claim oneness with God, equality with God, and to be the Creator in human flesh.

Exodus 3:13-14
Then Moses said to God, “Indeed, when I come to the children of Israel and say to them, ‘The God of your fathers has sent me to you,’ and they say to me, ‘What is His name?’ what shall I say to them?” And God said to Moses, “I AM WHO I AM.” And He said, “Thus you shall say to the children of Israel, ‘I AM has sent me to you.’”

Just prior to Moses embarking on his mission from God (to demand the emancipation of the Israelites from Pharaoh's dominion) he had a conversation with God. Moses wanted to know God's Name so that he could inform Pharaoh Who sent him. God the Father told Moses that His Name is "I AM." This is a very important designation.

John 8:58
Jesus said to them, “Most assuredly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I AM.”

Jesus Christ identifies Himself with the exact same designation as the Father. I AM is a Name that denotes God's eternal, self-existence. Jesus is God, not God the Father, but God the Son (i.e. He is equal with God).

Matthew 2:2
2 saying, “Where is He who has been born King of the Jews? For we have seen His star in the East and have come to worship Him.”

These men traveled for approximately two years to find and worship the infant Jesus. I don't know about you but I wouldn't travel a fraction of an inch to worship anyone. Yet these men subjected themselves to the rigors of traveling (probably on camel) across desert and treacherous terrain. They probably had to contend with wild animals and inclement weather and other discomforts.

All for what?

They were coming to worship God in the flesh, Jesus the Christ.

Luke 5:21
And the scribes and the Pharisees began to reason, saying, “Who is this who speaks blasphemies? Who can forgive sins but God alone?”

Luke 5:24
But that you may know that the Son of Man has power on earth to forgive sins...."

Jesus even forgave sins while He was on earth.

Matthew 28:9
And as they went to tell His disciples, behold, Jesus met them, saying, “Rejoice!” So they came and held Him by the feet and worshiped Him.

http://www.letusreason.org/Buddh1.htm

Jesus receives worship. Under the Law of Moses (which was the Supreme Law of the Land for the Israelites, similar to our U.S. Constitution) the Jews were forbidden from worshipping any other god but the One, True, God.

Revelation 19:10
And I fell at his feet to worship him. But he [the angel] said to me [John], “See that you do not do that! I am your fellow servant, and of your brethren who have the testimony of Jesus. Worship God! For the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy.”

Revelation 22:8-9
Now I, John, saw and heard these things. And when I heard and saw, I fell down to worship before the feet of the angel who showed me these things. Then he said to me, “See that you do not do that. For I am your fellow servant, and of your brethren the prophets, and of those who keep the words of this book. Worship God.”

In the Book of Revelation John, one of Jesus' closest disciples and apostles was so overcome with the revelation that he received from the angel that he fell down at his (the angel's) feet to worship him on more than one occasion. But the angel immediately and sternly warned and forbid John from doing thus both times. The angel told the apostle John to worship God

Luke 24:52
And they worshiped Him [Jesus], and returned to Jerusalem with great joy,

John 9:35-38
Jesus heard that they had cast him out; and when He had found him, He said to him, “Do you believe in the Son of God?” He answered and said, “Who is He, Lord, that I may believe in Him?”
And Jesus said to him, “You have both seen Him and it is He who is talking with you.” Then he said, “Lord, I believe!” And he worshiped Him.

Notice that unlike the angel Jesus never refrains from receiving worship. On every occasion where someone worshipped Jesus, Jesus did not warn them, or try to stop them. Jesus did not forbid anyone from worshipping Him and worship belongs only to God. Friends, Jesus is God and not a god.

John 5:18
Therefore the Jews sought all the more to kill Him, because He not only broke the Sabbath, but also said that God was His Father, making Himself equal with God.

The fact that Jesus is the Son of God does not imply that He is less than or inferior to the Father. Son of God means that Jesus is equal to the Father in every way. The Jews knew this that is why they sought all the more to kill Jesus. Son of God means that Jesus is God, God the Son.

Colossians 1:16
For by Him [Jesus] all things were created that are in heaven and that are on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or principalities or powers. All things were created through Him and for Him.

God is the Creator correct? Well, this verse is a reference to Jesus Christ. Jesus Christ is the Creator and Jesus Christ is God, God the Son.

John 10:30
I and My Father are one .”

Jesus affirmed that He and His Father are one. What does Jesus mean? Jesus means that He and His Father constitute one "God" but not one divine Person. There is God the Father and there is God the Son, and there is God the Holy Spirit. One God in three Persons.

http://www.letusreason.org/Buddh1.htm

This question Irks me. How is Jesus God?
Started by: DanieLs_4_Ever

Originally posted by Regret
The Bible states that there are three entirely separate beings in the Godhead. It is a false doctrine that preaches that they are one single essence.

People that claim God spoke to himself, pleaded with himself, claimed that He had at least two separate differing wills ("Not my will, but thine be done"😉, these claims support a diagnosis of Dissociative Identity Disorder (DID). God's word identifies three distinct beings, and as such the Bible does not characterize the Godhead as DID, Trinitarian Doctrine, which you espouse, does that.

(sighs with compassionate patience) Regret, God is not one Person He is one God. Each One is called God: God the Father, God the Son Jesus Christ, and God the Holy Spirit. These three constitute one God, not one entity per se.

Originally posted by Regret
Thus the Trinitarian deification of Dissociative Identity Disorder (DID).

Think of the Godhead (i.e. diety) as a fraternity (it is not but I am using an example that we can all relate to) and the benefits of this fraternity are omnipotence (all-power), omniscience (all-knowledge), and omnipresence (ubiquity). The Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are each in this fraternity if you would. Each Person has all three attributes respectively. So each One is God. Just as this God fraternity is singular so too is God. God is one but manifested in three distinct Persons.

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Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
(sighs with compassionate patience) Regret, God is not one Person He is one God. Each One is called God: God the Father, God the Son Jesus Christ, and God the Holy Spirit. These three constitute one God, not one entity per se.

Think of the Godhead (i.e. diety) as a fraternity (it is not but I am using an example that we can all relate to) and the benefits of this fraternity are omnipotence (all-power), omniscience (all-knowledge), and omnipresence (ubiquity). The Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are each in this fraternity if you would. Each Person has all three attributes respectively. So each One is God. Just as this God fraternity is singular so too is God. God is one but manifested in three distinct Persons.

I understand what you are saying now, it is not traditional Trinitarian Doctrine. I have been operating under the assumption that you followed Trinitarian belief, your description is not a traditional Trinitarian belief. It is very close, if not the same as my belief in the structure of the Godhead. Differences exist, but it is only the terms used to describe the Godhead that separates our views, aside from the exact nature of each portion of the Godhead.

Originally posted by lil bitchiness
Why the emphasis on Irish? Does being Spanish and Catholic make you less knowledgable?

you know what you have a point, but still Irish folk have always been sonomous with deeps faith so i figured thats was neeeded. for some reason 😕

Originally posted by bogen
you know what you have a point, but still Irish folk have always been sonomous with deeps faith so i figured thats was neeeded.

Since when, since you made it up?

Originally posted by Alliance
Since when, since you made it up?
My ancestry is mainly black Irish... from what I have gathered we have always been known as having slightly unstable minds as well 😉 But yes, the Irish are known to be devout.

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Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
http://www.letusreason.org/Buddh1.htm

No, buddha did not have a divine birth. There is no evidence that Buddha was divine in any respect. That is simply your belief. Buddha was/is a human being, and he was born a sinner just like every other human being. Buddha was/is not the master of anything except his own self-delusion.

I know this sounds rude but if someone does not tell you the truth you will follow in Buddha's error and end up with him in Hell for eternity. I have already told you that Jesus Christ has always existed. Jesus Christ created Siddhârtha Gautama known to many as a Buddha. To my knowledge Buddha never claimed to be God. But Jesus did claim oneness with God, equality with God, and to be the Creator in human flesh.

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Now, u are misguided again by your ignorance,misunderstanding and inadeqaute teachings/doctrines of Buddha's philosophy. The Buddha taught different concepts based on his own enlightenment in which Buddhist scriptures, or sutras, present a far more refined and uplifting description of the divine reality which we awaken to once we are free of our finite, materialistic, and self-centered point of view. The Buddha describes God (he called him Brahma, since he had never heard the Germanic word "God" or the Jewish "YHWH"😉 as one who resides in the highest of the heavens and who is perfect in his love, compassion, joy, and equanimity. This God is one we can unite with if we develop those same qualities in ourselves. But even this is a limited conception of God according to Buddhism.

The conception of Brahma or God taught by the Brahmanist priests was very similar to that taught by most Christians today. But when you really look at the image being taught, it is not much different from the mythological Zeus. God is reduced by unreflective piety to a mere being among beings, even if he is a "Supreme Being." As a being among beings, God is no longer a transcendent reality but just another being caught up in the process. This very primitive and even idolatrous conception of God is what the Buddha was poking fun of at the expense of the priests who claimed to be God's representatives on earth who could decide who will be saved and who will be damned.

The experience of nirvana, expounded by the Buddha, is spoken of as a state beyond birth and death, beyond any possible conception or description. It can not be spoken of in terms of anything that our finite minds can relate to. But it is the supreme reality that is beyond causes and conditions which we can awaken to even within this lifetime, though this awakening may be only the beginning of something even more unimaginable upon death as implied by the term parinirvana (complete nirvana). Nirvana is not a state of annihilation though it is selfless. It is spoken of in terms of being pure, blissful, eternal, and the basis of true selfhood - though even these terms are only used analogously - the truth being beyond even these. Nirvana is not a person, place, or thing but it is not nothingness either.

On some occasions the Buddha even spoke of nirvana as Brahma or God, but again only analogously. The Buddha did not want to directly identify the realization of nirvana with God realization because that term meant different things to different people depending upon their idea of God. So to prevent confusion, the Buddha spoke more in terms of what nirvana is not rather than in terms of what it is. He certainly did not want to identify it with a name like "God" which was already too loaded with all kind of misleading connotations. Just as importantly, the priests were using their scriptures and their alleged ability to mediate God's will to impose their power over others. The Buddha wanted to avoid this pitfall of someone presuming to be able to mediate the will of God, by avoiding such rhetoric entirely. The Buddha did not claim to speak for God, rather he simply pointed the way to a direct experience of that which others speak of as God.

The [real]Buddha is not dead as opposed to your statement. He has attained Nirvana, a state of utter peace and freedom. The other name the Buddha gives Nirvana--the state of eternal life(Dharma). Of course Nirvana is not the naive 'eternal life' described in the Bible, where the body is resurrected and where angels sing. In fact it is so subtle it is not easy to describe. However it is not non-existence, as the Buddha makes very clear.

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The trinity concept was originated in other pagan religions... in hinduism it is the three higher principles of the soul 'atman-buddhi-manas' which are related to Brahman, Vishnu and Shiva. In buddhism there are also three principles like those mentioned before.

They mean three different aspects(or functions, or ways in which God can act... if you like) of God :

The Father( or atman or Brahman) - the supreme deity.

The Son( or buddhi or Vishnu) - it is God individualized, it is God impersonated, like in Jesus Christ.

The holy ghost( or manas or Shiva) - it is the principle that guide you to become God impersonated, or in the standart christian belief(which does not agree that someone can become God impersonated)... it is the one who guide you to understand the word of God.

And the term trinity itself does not appear in the Bible. It did not exist until Tertullian coined the term in the early third century.

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Originally posted by mahasattva
Now, u are misguided again by your ignorance,misunderstanding and inadeqaute teachings/doctrines of Buddha's philosophy. The Buddha taught different concepts based on his own enlightenment in which Buddhist scriptures, or sutras, present a far more refined and uplifting description of the divine reality which we awaken to once we are free of our finite, materialistic, and self-centered point of view. The Buddha describes God (he called him Brahma, since he had never heard the Germanic word "God" or the Jewish "YHWH"😉 as one who resides in the highest of the heavens and who is perfect in his love, compassion, joy, and equanimity. This God is one we can unite with if we develop those same qualities in ourselves. But even this is a limited conception of God according to Buddhism.

The conception of Brahma or God taught by the Brahmanist priests was very similar to that taught by most Christians today. But when you really look at the image being taught, it is not much different from the mythological Zeus. God is reduced by unreflective piety to a mere being among beings, even if he is a "Supreme Being." As a being among beings, God is no longer a transcendent reality but just another being caught up in the process. This very primitive and even idolatrous conception of God is what the Buddha was poking fun of at the expense of the priests who claimed to be God's representatives on earth who could decide who will be saved and who will be damned.

The experience of nirvana, expounded by the Buddha, is spoken of as a state beyond birth and death, beyond any possible conception or description. It can not be spoken of in terms of anything that our finite minds can relate to. But it is the supreme reality that is beyond causes and conditions which we can awaken to even within this lifetime, though this awakening may be only the beginning of something even more unimaginable upon death as implied by the term parinirvana (complete nirvana). Nirvana is not a state of annihilation though it is selfless. It is spoken of in terms of being pure, blissful, eternal, and the basis of true selfhood - though even these terms are only used analogously - the truth being beyond even these. Nirvana is not a person, place, or thing but it is not nothingness either.

On some occasions the Buddha even spoke of nirvana as Brahma or God, but again only analogously. The Buddha did not want to directly identify the realization of nirvana with God realization because that term meant different things to different people depending upon their idea of God. So to prevent confusion, the Buddha spoke more in terms of what nirvana is not rather than in terms of what it is. He certainly did not want to identify it with a name like "God" which was already too loaded with all kind of misleading connotations. Just as importantly, the priests were using their scriptures and their alleged ability to mediate God's will to impose their power over others. The Buddha wanted to avoid this pitfall of someone presuming to be able to mediate the will of God, by avoiding such rhetoric entirely. The Buddha did not claim to speak for God, rather he simply pointed the way to a direct experience of that which others speak of as God.

The [real]Buddha is not dead as opposed to your statement. He has attained Nirvana, a state of utter peace and freedom. The other name the Buddha gives Nirvana--the state of eternal life(Dharma). Of course Nirvana is not the naive 'eternal life' described in the Bible, where the body is resurrected and where angels sing. In fact it is so subtle it is not easy to describe. However it is not non-existence, as the Buddha makes very clear.

Mark 14:60-62
And the high priest stood up in the midst and asked Jesus, saying, “Do You answer nothing? What is it these men testify against You?” But He kept silent and answered nothing.
Again the high priest asked Him, saying to Him, “Are You the Christ, the Son of the Blessed?”
Jesus said, “I am. And you will see the Son of Man sitting at the right hand of the Power, and coming with the clouds of heaven.”
Then the high priest tore his clothes and said, “What further need do we have of witnesses? You have heard the blasphemy! What do you think?”
And they all condemned Him to be deserving of death.
Then some began to spit on Him, and to blindfold Him, and to beat Him, and to say to Him, “Prophesy!” And the officers struck Him with the palms of their hands.

Jesus Christ is God in the flesh.

John 14:6
Jesus said to him, “I am the way, the truth, and the life. [COLOR=red]No one comes to the Father except through Me.[/COLOR]

Not Me, you, Allah (the moon god), Buddha, Mohammed, Confucious, Joseph Smith, Ghandi, the Pope, Mary, Dr. King, and anyone else. No one can get to God the Father in Heaven without bowing their knee to Jesus Christ in prayer, confessing that He is indeed Lord. That is what the Bible reveals.

Uh... isn't the holy spirit the soul? And why can't people understand the concept of avatars, or of an etity(God) being in more places at once? Anyway, I've seeded questions, I'm off on other forums.

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Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
[B]Mark 14:60-62
And the high priest stood up in the midst and asked Jesus, saying, “Do You answer nothing? What is it these men testify against You?” But He kept silent and answered nothing.
Again the high priest asked Him, saying to Him, “Are You the Christ, the Son of the Blessed?”
Jesus said, “I am. And you will see the Son of Man sitting at the right hand of the Power, and coming with the clouds of heaven.”
Then the high priest tore his clothes and said, “What further need do we have of witnesses? You have heard the blasphemy! What do you think?”
And they all condemned Him to be deserving of death.
Then some began to spit on Him, and to blindfold Him, and to beat Him, and to say to Him, “Prophesy!” And the officers struck Him with the palms of their hands.

Jesus Christ is God in the flesh.

John 14:6
Jesus said to him, “I am the way, the truth, and the life. [COLOR=red]No one comes to the Father except through Me.[/COLOR]

Not Me, you, Allah (the moon god), Buddha, Mohammed, Confucious, Joseph Smith, Ghandi, the Pope, Mary, Dr. King, and anyone else. No one can get to God the Father in Heaven without bowing their knee to Jesus Christ in prayer, confessing that He is indeed Lord. That is what the Bible reveals. [/B]

There is no heaven to go too.

Originally posted by Council#13
Okay, so I'm really confused. Can someone explain this concept? They never really explain it in Church and stuff, and I feel bad about being a Roman Catholic without really understanding it.

* we really cannot understand it well enough if we are only having it based on the Catholic doctrine... we may somehow be enlightened if we will read the Bible...

"Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,"
Matthew 28:19

"The grace of the Lord Jesus Christ and the love of God and the fellowship of the Holy Spirit be with you all."
II Corinthians 13:14

* the Father, Christ and the Holy Spirit is what the Bible says as the Godhead...

* however, the Trinitarian doctrine is unbiblical... it says that the Three are equal in power but the Bible says otherwise...

"You heard me say to you, I go away, and I will come to you. If you loved me, you would have rejoiced, because I go to the Father; for the Father is greater than I."
John 14:28

* Christ said that the Father is greater than Him, in fact, the Father is superior to all...

"My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than all, and no one is able to snatch them out of the Father's hand."
John 10:29

* and Christ is greater than the Holy Spirit...

"Truly, truly, I say to you, a servant is not greater than his master; nor is he who is sent greater than he who sent him."
John 13:16

* he who is sent is NOT greater than he who sent him...

"But when the Counselor comes, whom I shall send to you from the Father, even the Spirit of truth, who proceeds from the Father, he will bear witness to me;"
John 15:26

* the Counselor or Comforter is the Holy Spirit... and Christ has the power to send the Holy Spirit, so Christ is greater than the Holy Spirit...

* according to the Bible, to whom should we give worship?

"I John am he who heard and saw these things. And when I heard and saw them, I fell down to worship at the feet of the angel who showed them to me;
But he said to me, You must not do that! I am a fellow servant with you and your brethren the prophets, and with those who keep the words of this book. Worship God."
Revelation 22:9

* the angel of God hindered Saint John from worshipping him, so the Bible tells us that we should NOT worship angels...

* the angel of God also recommends to whom we should give worship... we should worship God... but should we worship Christ?

"That all may honor the Son, even as they honor the Father. He who does not honor the Son does not honor the Father who sent him."
John 5:23

* we should honor Christ as much as we honor the Father, but should we worship Christ too? the angel says we should worship God, is Christ also a God that we should worship?

"Awaiting our blessed hope, the appearing of the glory of our great God and Savior Jesus Christ,"
Titus 2:13

"Simeon Peter, a servant and apostle of Jesus Christ, To those who have obtained a faith of equal standing with ours in the righteousness of our God and Savior Jesus Christ:"
II Peter 1:1

* two great apostles, Saint Peter and Saint Paul, had said that Christ is a God... their epistles are for the Christians and if we are Christians, we must accept the fact that Christ is also a God and we must worship Him...

* wait, is worshipping Christ in accordance with the will of the Father?

"But of the Son he says, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever, the righteous scepter is the scepter of thy kingdom.
And again, when he brings the first-born into the world, he says, Let all God's angels worship him."
Hebrews 1:8, 6

* on verse 8, the Father called Christ -> "O God"... which means that Christ really is a God...

* on verse 6, the Father commanded His angels to worship Christ... if the angels are commanded to worship Christ, moreso for us...

"Instead, you must worship Christ as Lord of your life. And if you are asked about your Christian hope, always be ready to explain it."
I Peter 3:15

* see? 😉

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Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
[B]Mark 14:60-62

John 14:6
Jesus said to him, “I am the way, the truth, and the life. [COLOR=red]No one comes to the Father except through Me.[/COLOR]

Not Me, you, Allah (the moon god), Buddha, Mohammed, Confucious, Joseph Smith, Ghandi, the Pope, Mary, Dr. King, and anyone else. No one can get to God the Father in Heaven without bowing their knee to Jesus Christ in prayer, confessing that He is indeed Lord. That is what the Bible reveals. [/B]

This is indeed arrogant nature if we interpret it in that way. However, if we understand it in context Jesus like all other great religious/spiritual leader follows the same path to truth--that is Love. Love is the law of the universe. People understand that God is love. God can be understood but It cannot be defined. Therefore this is not an attempt to define God but to stimulate thinking. So that people can find God through their own efforts and in their own way. God is a Reality. Reality is not a thing, it is not a being; and it cannot be defined. Say for example Love. Love is a reality, not a thing nor a being. You cannot define Love but you can understand it and you can feel it. You can feel love but you cannot “ask” love to enter into your heart. Love enriches the lives of those who receive it but It is indifferent to them. Love is not forgiving, it is not intelligent, and it is not loving; because Love is not a being. And so is God. It is us who need God and have to live by It. We have to live God. Praising him, worshiping him and praying to him, is waste of time. An anthropomorphic God either physically or psychologically as described by Semitic religions is absurd. Yet no one can describe God just as no one can describe love. We all can know God. It is a one-to-one relationship. This is a path that no guru or prophet can show you. Those who pretend that they can are impostors. God is the Truth and Truth is pathless. God is love and love needs no intermediaries. You have to discover it yourself. It is your personal journey. But once you know God, you are enlightened[Buddha]. The instance of enlightenment is the most exhilarating and soul transforming moment in one’s life. It can never be described nor it can be conveyed by any words or means. How can you describe the beauty of the sunset to a born blind?

As the Gautama Buddha says:

"No one saves us but ourselves,

No one can and no one may.

We ourselves must walk the path,

But Buddhas clearly show the way".

My only advice to all those who seek enlightenment are those words of Buddha, “Doubt everything, find your own light”.

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Originally posted by mahasattva
...Jesus like all other great religious/spiritual leader follows the same path to truth--that is Love....

No, Jesus Christ is the Way (or path), is the Truth, and is Love. The difference between Jesus Christ and everyone else is that He is these eternal Truths. Jesus is the Way, Truth, and the Life personified. Jesus Christ is Love. This eternal Truth separates Christ Jesus from all the others.

I responded to your above post mahasattva.

Who the f*ck are you. You respond, and then you post again saying that you posted.

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Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
No, Jesus Christ is the Way (or path), is the Truth, and is Love. The difference between Jesus Christ and everyone else is that He is these eternal Truths. Jesus is the Way, Truth, and the Life personified. Jesus Christ is Love. This eternal Truth separates Christ Jesus from all the others.

You are deluding again my friend. There is no such thing as a one-time creation(creator) or a final apocalyptic end. The universe is an open-ended and interdependent process, and so are our lives. The idea that there are definitive beginnings and endings or absolute boundaries between things or beings is viewed by Buddhism as part of the delusion that reinforces our selfishness and sense of alienation from all that exists. So we can not talk of a supreme creator in Buddhism because there is no creation -- there is only reality just as it is, beyond words or concepts. This reality we must see for ourselves and deal with directly and not through a fog of creation myths or metaphysical speculations.

Buddhist find much to admire in the life and teachings of Jesus. Different Buddhists have different ideas about Jesus's place in the Buddhist worldview. Most Mahayana Buddhists would see him as an exemplary bodhisattva. I would agree with this. I see Jesus as an embodiment of the bodhisattva ideal. He did not teach the unique teachings of Buddhism concerning the four noble truths or dependent origination so I can not see him as a Buddha. Furthermore, his experience of God as Abba (the Aramaic word for "Daddy"😉 seems to describe a very devotional and intimate personal relationship to Brahma. However, his selflessness is suggestive of one who has realized nirvana and he attempted to convey that to others in terms of being "born-again." His disciples experience of the Risen Lord does seem to match the Buddhist description of the sambhogakaya - a limited form of which is possessed by the bodhisattvas who are able to emanate many spiritual bodies for the sake of suffering beings. So in many ways, the life and teachings of Jesus are not incompatible with Buddhism if Jesus is understood to be a bodhisattva who attempted to convey as much as he could of the Dharma (Truth) in terms his contemporaries could understand.

In Mahayana Buddhism, it is taught that the buddhas and bodhisattvas appear throughout the universe in order to convey the Dharma in different ways to different beings. To do this, they employ what is called upaya or "provisional methods." This means that if they can not convey the Dharma directly, they will find a way to express it in a way that their listeners can understand and work with. In this way, they can gradually mature those beings to the point where they can understand the Dharma directly either in that lifetime or in a future lifetime. Sometimes, they just try to provide a way for beings to attain the heavenly pure lands where they can meet the sambhogakaya buddhas and learn the Dharma from them. Jesus's remark that he was going to prepare a place for his disciples, and that in heaven there were many mansions, and that he had other flocks his disciples did not know about are all very suggestive of such an arrangement. St. Paul also suggests that in the end, people will see clearly and not through a glass darkly.