The Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit

Originally posted by mahasattva
You are deluding again my friend. There is no such thing as a one-time creation(creator) or a final apocalyptic end. The universe is an open-ended and interdependent process, and so are our lives. The idea that there are definitive beginnings and endings or absolute boundaries between things or beings is viewed by Buddhism as part of the delusion that reinforces our selfishness and sense of alienation from all that exists. So we can not talk of a supreme creator in Buddhism because there is no creation -- there is only reality just as it is, beyond words or concepts. This reality we must see for ourselves and deal with directly and not through a fog of creation myths or metaphysical speculations.

Buddhist find much to admire in the life and teachings of Jesus. Different Buddhists have different ideas about Jesus's place in the Buddhist worldview. Most Mahayana Buddhists would see him as an exemplary bodhisattva. I would agree with this. I see Jesus as an embodiment of the bodhisattva ideal. He did not teach the unique teachings of Buddhism concerning the four noble truths or dependent origination so I can not see him as a Buddha. Furthermore, his experience of God as Abba (the Aramaic word for "Daddy"😉 seems to describe a very devotional and intimate personal relationship to Brahma. However, his selflessness is suggestive of one who has realized nirvana and he attempted to convey that to others in terms of being "born-again." His disciples experience of the Risen Lord does seem to match the Buddhist description of the sambhogakaya - a limited form of which is possessed by the bodhisattvas who are able to emanate many spiritual bodies for the sake of suffering beings. So in many ways, the life and teachings of Jesus are not incompatible with Buddhism if Jesus is understood to be a bodhisattva who attempted to convey as much as he could of the Dharma (Truth) in terms his contemporaries could understand.

In Mahayana Buddhism, it is taught that the buddhas and bodhisattvas appear throughout the universe in order to convey the Dharma in different ways to different beings. To do this, they employ what is called upaya or "provisional methods." This means that if they can not convey the Dharma directly, they will find a way to express it in a way that their listeners can understand and work with. In this way, they can gradually mature those beings to the point where they can understand the Dharma directly either in that lifetime or in a future lifetime. Sometimes, they just try to provide a way for beings to attain the heavenly pure lands where they can meet the sambhogakaya buddhas and learn the Dharma from them. Jesus's remark that he was going to prepare a place for his disciples, and that in heaven there were many mansions, and that he had other flocks his disciples did not know about are all very suggestive of such an arrangement. St. Paul also suggests that in the end, people will see clearly and not through a glass darkly.

Friend, what are you talking about?

You are ignorant. If you can't compete, you just run away. Coward.

Originally posted by mahasattva
You are deluding again my friend. There is no such thing as a one-time creation(creator) or a final apocalyptic end. The universe is an open-ended and interdependent process, and so are our lives. The idea that there are definitive beginnings and endings or absolute boundaries between things or beings is viewed by Buddhism as part of the delusion that reinforces our selfishness and sense of alienation from all that exists. So we can not talk of a supreme creator in Buddhism because there is no creation -- there is only reality just as it is, beyond words or concepts. This reality we must see for ourselves and deal with directly and not through a fog of creation myths or metaphysical speculations.

Buddhist find much to admire in the life and teachings of Jesus. Different Buddhists have different ideas about Jesus's place in the Buddhist worldview. Most Mahayana Buddhists would see him as an exemplary bodhisattva. I would agree with this. I see Jesus as an embodiment of the bodhisattva ideal. He did not teach the unique teachings of Buddhism concerning the four noble truths or dependent origination so I can not see him as a Buddha. Furthermore, his experience of God as Abba (the Aramaic word for "Daddy"😉 seems to describe a very devotional and intimate personal relationship to Brahma. However, his selflessness is suggestive of one who has realized nirvana and he attempted to convey that to others in terms of being "born-again." His disciples experience of the Risen Lord does seem to match the Buddhist description of the sambhogakaya - a limited form of which is possessed by the bodhisattvas who are able to emanate many spiritual bodies for the sake of suffering beings. So in many ways, the life and teachings of Jesus are not incompatible with Buddhism if Jesus is understood to be a bodhisattva who attempted to convey as much as he could of the Dharma (Truth) in terms his contemporaries could understand.

In Mahayana Buddhism, it is taught that the buddhas and bodhisattvas appear throughout the universe in order to convey the Dharma in different ways to different beings. To do this, they employ what is called upaya or "provisional methods." This means that if they can not convey the Dharma directly, they will find a way to express it in a way that their listeners can understand and work with. In this way, they can gradually mature those beings to the point where they can understand the Dharma directly either in that lifetime or in a future lifetime. Sometimes, they just try to provide a way for beings to attain the heavenly pure lands where they can meet the sambhogakaya buddhas and learn the Dharma from them. Jesus's remark that he was going to prepare a place for his disciples, and that in heaven there were many mansions, and that he had other flocks his disciples did not know about are all very suggestive of such an arrangement. St. Paul also suggests that in the end, people will see clearly and not through a glass darkly.

Your post are the most difficult to understand. They are long, abstruse, and very esoteric. Try summarizing what it is you want to convey.

Stop multiple posts or I'll alert the mods.

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
Your post are the most difficult to understand. They are long, abstruse, and very esoteric. Try summarizing what it is you want to convey.

Basically mahasattva is telling you how you and others like you have misunderstood Jesus. This is what I found, when I began to learn Buddhism I began to read the bible in a different light. I realize that what Jesus said was not what people in the Church, was telling me.

You need to read a little Buddhism to understand.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
Basically mahasattva is telling you how you and others like you have misunderstood Jesus. This is what I found, when I began to learn Buddhism I began to read the bible in a different light. I realize that what Jesus said was not what people in the Church, was telling me.

You need to read a little Buddhism to understand.

Amen! 😉 😄

Originally posted by mahasattva
Amen! 😉 😄

😄 More like Nam Myoho Renge Kyo 😄

Unfortunately christianism lost much of the original meaning.

Chirstianism is a derivation of the ancient religions which actually had more content, but christianism lost almost everything and many things are interpreted in the wrong way.

Today it has a more social thing than spiritual.

Jesus could have been just a very wise man, who pretended to be the son of God. But no matter who or what he is, his teachings have yet to be fully understood IMO.

Originally posted by Madman_V3N0M
Jesus could have been just a very wise man, who pretended to be the son of God. But no matter who or what he is, his teachings have yet to be fully understood IMO.

Paul changed the teachings of Jesus.

Or perhaps people didn´t understand what he meant, or maybe both.

But one thing is true... religions do not appear magically from nothing... there are always influences and derivations from other cultures and places. That how things always happened in history.

Yeah, I'm SURE the bible contains a lot of parts that are exagerated or made up.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
😄 More like Nam Myoho Renge Kyo 😄

Amen is shorter.

Originally posted by Alliance
Amen is shorter.

But it reeks of Christianity. 😱

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
Paul changed the teachings of Jesus.

* i believe that Saint Paul is a great apostle, and never did he taught anything against Jesus...

"And count the forbearance of our Lord as salvation. So also our beloved brother Paul wrote to you according to the wisdom given him,
Speaking of this as he does in all his letters. There are some things in them hard to understand, which the ignorant and unstable twist to their own destruction, as they do the other scriptures."
II Peter 3:15-16

* Saint Peter, one of the pillars, had strong recommendations for Saint Paul and ALL his epistles... he also knew that there are some things hard to understand in Saint Paul's epistles... ignorant and unstable people twist the Scriptures as well as Saint Paul's epistles...

* there are some doctrines of Saint Paul which was not found in any other epistles because he was given great abundance of revelations by God and Christ... 😉

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
Paul changed the teachings of Jesus.

It sure would be nice to see you support this allegation instead of just glibly accuse Paul of doing something that he did not do. Man, this situation sounds familiar (hmm...oh, yeah Debbiejoe has the same warped feelings about Paul).

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
It sure would be nice to see you support this allegation instead of just glibly accuse Paul of doing something that he did not do. Man, this situation sounds familiar (hmm...oh, yeah Debbiejoe has the same warped feelings about Paul).

What are you doing reading my posts, you are supposed to be ignoring me. 😱

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
It sure would be nice to see you support this allegation instead of just glibly accuse Paul of doing something that he did not do. Man, this situation sounds familiar (hmm...oh, yeah Debbiejoe has the same warped feelings about Paul).

Have you ever supported anything?

No.

Originally posted by Alliance
Have you ever supported anything?

No.

I think he just hates me.