I live in Surianme , South America and i just imported a collectors edition from X-men. It was bought at target and i thought i would getthree comics with my dvd but instead i got a metal box and on comics that wa snot written by Stan lee and four collectible trading cards. was i mis informed. because i specifically said i wanted the one with the comic books. it does have a comic book s but not the one i expected. can any body pleas e help me?
I thought the story was good but being a fan of the comic for the past 15+ years means that I can see just how much 20th century fox betrayed not only marvel but the fans as well. The storyline to this movie in NO WAY resembles the phoenix storyline in the comics. And in the marvel comics industry this storyline was the most famous storyline out of all. Bigger than any other titles of the time. I consider it disgraceful, to even imply that these to stories are the same. I'd love to hear what bryan singer had to say about this.
Consider that it isn't Hollywood's intention to translate a comic page into film exactly. X-Men isn't real, so the overall story is up for interpretation. I never saw a disclaimer saying, "This is exactly how it happened in the comic."
By the way, is anyone familiar with the Phoenix story in Ultimate X-Men, if there is one? The movies tend to be based on the Ultimate versions of the heroes.
No can't say I've heard of the phoinex saga in the ultimate comics. And I do realise that they can't exactly go by what the comics say and do, but their is not one shred of resemblence from the comics storyline.
the short version
The X-men are saved by jean when their space craft starts to fall back to earth. Jean uses all of her power to save the x men but appears to die in the attempt. A few months pass and a person who looks like jean, has some of jeans memories, and jeans powers multiplied by a million, joins the x men and is codenamed phoinex. Even unto itself this person believes it's jean. After a battle with the hellfire club this person becomes brainwashed by a member of the hellfire club and becomes dark phoinex. Dark phoinex becomes unstable and starts destroying anything in her path. When an inevitable fight with the X-men comes, phoinex remembers the love for cyclops that jean has ( she still believes she's jean )and in a last attempt at sanity flies off into space.
Unfortunately in space her power consumes her and takes her to a far off galaxy where she devours a sun thereby killing all life on the planets that orbit it. Months pass on earth and the x mansion appears to be hit by some kind of meteorite which turns out to be phoinex who looks to be at deaths door. She crashed on earth because she was being pursued by an intergalactic armada of alien vessels who are trying to kill her for destroying their people. Charles tries to reason with them and a trial is set. The verdict was that if the x men defeat their champions then the phoinex would be allowed to live on earth as long as she never leaves the planet again, if not then she would be put to death. The x -men lose the battle and phoinex is put to death. Years later the real gean gray is found in some kind of coma by the Avengers. Jean later explains that when she was dying in space she felt an unknown force enter her body and take away part of her very being berfore she went into a coma.
InneRise
Jean had bean put into a coma and encased in a large capsule of some kind and sent to the bottom of the ocean for a year or two. And the raising water power seen in the movies is the complete opposite of the comic. Think of how jean looked near the end of X2 with the water coming down on her and flames starting to engulf her body. Multiply that flame effect by one hundred and make it take the form of a firery phoinex and you'll have an idea of what she looked like in the comic. NO WATER. And in the comic Juggernaught is not a mutant one of his favourite lines is "die mutie scum".
Wolfie
Really!? That's exactly the reason why I'm learning computer animation and design. Ten years ago they said lord of the rings could never be done well enought to do it justice and know look what peter jackson has done. changing a story a little to make it seem more realistic I can understand but I think they went too far with this one.
That's different.
Some ideas only work in cartoons and will never work in live-action. They made the joke in the first X-Men when Cyclops said, "What would you prefer? Yellow spandex?" Something like that, it works great on paper, but would be ridiculous of Hugh Jackman put that suit on.
It was mentioned earlier that there was a deleted scene where Storm electrocutes Wolverine to charge up his claws or something. I would buy that if they did it in the comic. It sounds like a good idea. But if Halle Berry electrocuted Hugh Jackman? That's freakin' lame.
Originally posted by ttandcWell I don't know about the comic, but I know she also came out of the water in the Animated Cartoon Show, that's what I was referring to, not the movie itself. I know that she was at the bottom of the water protected in a shell. But then she rised from the water as the phoenix. You say in the comics she didn't rise from the water but was at the bottom of the water. So how did she get out?
InneRiseJean had bean put into a coma and encased in a large capsule of some kind and sent to the bottom of the ocean for a year or two. And the raising water power seen in the movies is the complete opposite of the comic. Think of how jean looked near the end of X2 with the water coming down on her and flames starting to engulf her body. Multiply that flame effect by one hundred and make it take the form of a firery phoinex and you'll have an idea of what she looked like in the comic. NO WATER. And in the comic Juggernaught is not a mutant one of his favourite lines is "die mutie scum".
Wolfie
Really!? That's exactly the reason why I'm learning computer animation and design. Ten years ago they said lord of the rings could never be done well enought to do it justice and know look what peter jackson has done. changing a story a little to make it seem more realistic I can understand but I think they went too far with this one.
And I know that Juggernaut isn't really a mutant.
I actually have the entire collection of the X-Men animated Series. I need to get started on that. I haven't watched them yet.
is it comprehensible.....
Originally posted by WolfieWhy would it work in comic and not movie. The electrocution that is.
That's different.Some ideas only work in cartoons and will never work in live-action. They made the joke in the first X-Men when Cyclops said, "What would you prefer? Yellow spandex?" Something like that, it works great on paper, but would be ridiculous of Hugh Jackman put that suit on.
It was mentioned earlier that there was a deleted scene where Storm electrocutes Wolverine to charge up his claws or something. I would buy that if they did it in the comic. It sounds like a good idea. But if Halle Berry electrocuted Hugh Jackman? That's freakin' lame.
is it comprehensible.....
InnerRise
I watched the animated too and could also see many differences in the cartoon as well. Jean grey was never the entity known as the phoinex in the comics. In the comics the superhero team known as the Avengers had an adventure at the bottom of the ocean and came across the large shell that jean was kept in. They couldn't open it so they passed it on to Reed Richards of the fantstic four who eventually opened it and awoke the real jean grey. I guess the water control power could be put down to her power of telekinisis witch is the power to move anything with her mind. I could go on and on about the differences between the movie/cartoon to the comic but I'm not sure if your really that interested.
Wolfie
If you think some things can't be done in movies then that's ok. A wiser man than me once said "you can't change peoples minds, only give them the opportunity for change". I've been learning how to make movies like final fantasy for a few years now and can not see any reasons why these storylines could not be done the same as the comics.
I think the costumes almost go without saying that they would need to be changed for a real life action movie ( although we still have superman and spiderman in those outfits )but apart from that I can't think of any reason why these storylines could not be made. The comic storylines are the ones that fans fell in love with. And it's those storylines that they expected to see, not what the companies like fox turn it into just to make a profit. I can see the x-men movie franchise going the way of the old batman movies, changing so much after each new movie that the fans of the comic don't even recognise it anymore or just boycot it completely.