~Darth Revan vs. Darth Sidious~

and did revan use them as much as sidious uses lightning? no,

and just because revan was the one who created it doesnt mean hes better than bane whom did it on super scales, bane > revan

so does that mean that plagueis > sidious because plagueis taught him?

Prove where he learned it from. Bane learned everytihng Revan knew...just because Revan knew the knowledge first doesn't mean Bane didn't take it to other levels

I assume you have a link proving this now

well, if plagueis really knew how to cheat death, then yea he is better than Palps...i say this only cause we don't know the extent of that power. If he could use it in battle, he'd be virtually unstoppable. The fact that Palps killed him by surprise in his sleep is probably why he couldn't save himself. We don't know anything else about Plagueis...he could have been uber powerful. But on the flip side, just cause someone teaches you something doesn't mean that you;ll never be better than them. If that were the case, our technology would never get better. I don't see why Sidious cant take this.

ROTS Sidious, yes he wins.

Against DE Sidious, not quite.

Originally posted by zephiel7
ROTS Sidious, yes he wins.

Against DE Sidious, not quite.

But there arn't really any deadly Powers Sidious can use that won't affect himself. So Revan can very well take this

ROTS sidious is already considered one of the most powerful sith lords, DE sidious is only better due to him having free time reading books and holocrons mastering more techniques, ROTS and DE palpatine power levels are frankly the same, just by DE he learnt more stuff

ROTS sidious > revan

ROTS sidious is already considered one of the most powerful sith lords, DE sidious is only better due to him having free time reading books and holocrons mastering more techniques, ROTS and DE palpatine power levels are frankly the same, just by DE he learnt more stuff

I don't think so. ROTS Sidious and DE Sidious are not frankly the same. There is a noticable difference between the two personalities. DE Sidious I will admit can defeat Revan. However, the movies, which chronicles the power of Palpatine/Emperor, shows that his Force abilities are:

- Force Lightning

- Force Whirlwind

- Force Pull

- Force Push

Now Revan, from Path of Destruction, is shown to be a master of the Dark Side. He knows obviously knows to rule and know power. Bane becomes uber cuz of him. In terms of the saber, ROTS Sidious is greater, even though Revan must be quite impressive himself. In addition, in the Force, Revan wil win.

and did revan use them as much as sidious uses lightning? no,

and just because revan was the one who created it doesnt mean hes better than bane whom did it on super scales, bane > revan

so does that mean that plagueis > sidious because plagueis taught him?

This is ridiculous! Revan must have spent years perfectly his Dark Side techniques. He is the Heart of the Force. If that doesn't mean powerful to you, then you are quite idiotic.

You can't say Bane does it on super scales, and say Revan doesn't. That is an illogical assumption. Your analogy is stupid is well. Yes, Plageuis is weaker than Sidious. Thus, I could say Mace Windu < Depa Billaba because Mace taught Depa.

Originally posted by Quinlan_Vos
I don't think so. ROTS Sidious and DE Sidious are not frankly the same. There is a noticable difference between the two personalities. DE Sidious I will admit can defeat Revan. However, the movies, which chronicles the power of Palpatine/Emperor, shows that his Force abilities are:

- Force Lightning

- Force Whirlwind

- Force Pull

- Force Push

Now Revan, from Path of Destruction, is shown to be a master of the Dark Side. He knows obviously knows to rule and know power. Bane becomes uber cuz of him. In terms of the saber, ROTS Sidious is greater, even though Revan must be quite impressive himself. In addition, in the Force, Revan wil win.

You can't say Bane does it on super scales, and say Revan doesn't. That is an illogical assumption. Your analogy is stupid is well. Yes, Plageuis is weaker than Sidious. Thus, I could say Mace Windu < Depa Billaba because Mace taught Depa.

He imparts knowledge, not power, actually. How long's he studied the Ds for? Oh, right...four years? How long has Palpatine? Oh, right, five decades? And Palpatine>Revan with the Force...c'mon, what's Revan shown us? Even Palpatine's force lightning and force crush will destroy Revan

So what if Palpatine has decades compared to half a decade Revan had? Dooku has been mastering the saber and Force for eight decades, Anakin pefected himself in three years. Guess who wins, Anakin!

Yeah right, Palps Force Lightning CANNOT destroy Revan. Revan has been shown to impart powerful DS techniques to Bane. This means that KOTOR DS Side could actually been some of the moves Revan knew during his tenure as the DLOTS. Revan is much stronger to lose to a Force Crush.

No, he didn't. He had four years. Palpatine is Darkness beyond Darkness and a Divinity in the Dark Side. If that doesn't mean power to you, than you're an idiot

Where does it say Palps is a Darkness beyond Darknes...

Revan is Heart of the Force. I would Heart of the Force > Divinity of Darkness.

Originally posted by Quinlan_Vos
Revan is Heart of the Force. I would Heart of the Force > Divinity of Darkness.

No, Revan - according to Kreia - is the "Heart of the Force". Ambiguous quotes like that have no relevance over fights, so it doesn't really matter. And for all you know, what Kreia said was an aggrandizement, which amounts to jack shit on the grand scale of things (not that a quote by a fallible, third party character even matters).

In any case, when has she ever even seen the "Heart of the Force"? And prove the "Heart of the Force" means "power". Is the "Heart of the Force" actually power? Have we ever even seen it? Could it mean in spirit? And again, it could've simply been aggrandizing description. Basically an over exaggeration.

show me one powerful technique Revan imparted to Bane. Just one. Thought Bomb isn't a technique, it's a suicidal ritual. PRove Revan's too strong to lose to a Force Crush.

Fanboyism much? I think so

Since when does Palpatine have force crush? What kind of idiotic statement is this lightsnake? "Prove Revan won't die with force crush". Uh prove that Sidious has it, and that he could use it on anybody. Guess what, guy X can't use anything on guy Y, it doesn't work that way. Prove Sidious could withstand a force storm from Revan. Stop parading around Sidious' force abilities asking someone to prove they can withstand attack X. This isn't an argument.

he;s throwing idiotic statements over the place, I'm throwing his hypocrisy back at him.

And Palpatine uses Force Crush on Sedriss to force him into servitude

Originally posted by Lightsnake
he;s throwing idiotic statements over the place, I'm throwing his hypocrisy back at him.

And Palpatine uses Force Crush on Sedriss to force him into servitude

You do realise Force Crush = Kill, right?

Anycrap, Advent, the backup for Heart of the Force meaning Power, is the crap Bane learned from Revan.

And as to Revan learning the Dark Side in only 4 Years, want to know where he went to learn? Unknown Space, the Remains of the Sith Empire, and the Starforge, all created by the most powerful people. I'd assume you'd learn a LOT more there in 4 Years, than Palps from any Holocrons/by himself

Oh, how about all the crap Vader and Luke learned from Palpatine?

and Palpatine went to the Sith Empire, too. In fact, Palpatine learned directly from the Ancient Sith and Plagueis. That's above anything Revan could hope to achieve

Originally posted by Lightsnake
Oh, how about all the crap Vader and Luke learned from Palpatine?

and Palpatine went to the Sith Empire, too. In fact, Palpatine learned directly from the Ancient Sith and Plagueis. That's above anything Revan could hope to achieve

Umm what?

This is your point crumbling around you.

Bane learns from revan...so heart of the Force= Power?

mmmhmm

Originally posted by Lightsnake
This is your point crumbling around you.

Bane learns from revan...so heart of the Force= Power?

mmmhmm

It is?

Bane's POWERS were the point of my debate, he did not become uber until he learned from Revan's Holocron

THEREFORE, from that, I said Kreia was more likely than not being literal about Heart of The Force.

Where the hell are you pulling this random shit from?

No, he was uber WELL before that. He owned Sirak and Fohargh readily enough and Qordis was terrified of him.

And Kreia's quote is still a metaphor, it won't be literal just because you want it to be

Originally posted by Lightsnake
No, he was uber WELL before that. He owned Sirak and Fohargh readily enough and Qordis was terrified of him.

And Kreia's quote is still a metaphor, it won't be literal just because you want it to be

He wasn't Collapsing Rooves and whatnot before he found Revan

I have Evidence backing it up that it is literal, you're just spewing random stuff around