Doc Strange with Prep vs. HOM Wanda

Originally posted by Mr Master
Like the Artist's "interpretation" of Warlock standing up to Power Gem, let alone the IG?

Describe this type of "interpretation" since you ignored it.

"She's starting to REMAKE Reality 616... again"

Originally posted by Mr Master
This is a funny one.

Genis-Vell has been extremely depowered by this point, WHAT Changing was Genis going to do? 😆

"He's not using his propulsion boots to fly, Somehow, he's Folding Photons around him, Folding Space to propel himself"

Are you not realizing that their Amazed, this is his posse.

Genis can't blink the Universe in and out of existence, thats Insane Genis-Vell.

So the Scans have everything to do with Wanda, Her Warp accelerated his Power to Insane Genis-Vell levels.

So you are calling Photon Genis-Vell depowered? because he was Photon before HOM happened. it is in his powerset to do everything he showed in HOM. Wanda had nothing to do with that.

Originally posted by thedude1948
Err... I interpret it as Wanda warping reality in the 616 universe...

As you wish.

"She's starting to REMAKE Reality 616... again" (more than once she did it)

I see this as Wanda Warping the 616 Universe.

I hope that's what you meant, otherwise....

Originally posted by thedude1948
not her making reality warping explosions in her face.

Maybe this will freshen your memory:

This must be another "illusion" of Wanda standing in the heart of that EXPLOSION.... 😆

I'm not going through this again, your bordering fanboy now.

Originally posted by thedude1948
So you are calling Photon Genis-Vell depowered? because he was Photon before HOM happened. it is in his powerset to do everything he showed in HOM. Wanda had nothing to do with that.

If your under the impression that Genis-Vell can blink the Universe In and Out of existence, and Split Time and Space in Two,

You need to read more comics.

Genis-Vell, before being affected by Wanda's Universal Reality Warp, NEEDED PROPULTION BOOTS to FLY

"He's not using his propulsion boots to fly, Somehow, he's Folding Photons around him, Folding Space to propel himself"

All of a sudden he's Folding Space to Fly. His teammates are perplexed by this.

I think your terribly confusing INSANE Genis, with the subject at hand.

Any other counters on this, take it up with Marvel the Company that created these scenerios.

Originally posted by thedude1948
Err... I interpret it as Wanda warping reality in the 616 universe...

This is what the entire scan says word for word:

"The important thing is that our scanners say she's starting to remake reality six-one-six again."

How can you just interpret the scan simply as Wanda warping reality when its clearly stated that she is remaking the entire 616 universe?

Originally posted by Galan777
I'm not really sure how you came to that conclusion:

This is what the entire scan says word for word:

"The important thing is that our scanners say she's starting to [B]remake reality six-one-six again."

How can you just interpret the scan simply as Wanda warping reality when its clearly stated that she is remaking the entire 616 universe? [/B]

That's my little monster, yes, it's alive, it's ALIVE!

Just one thing my brother, the word Warp can be used to substitute the word remake, (they basically mean the same thing) still though,

I think he's trying to say that Wanda only Warped Reality WITH IN the 616 Universe, (Which is WRONG!)

Wanda Warped/Remade the 616 Universe completely, by Exploding the Universe IN Her face, and then Remaking it a second later.

Like you pointed out so clearly, like the issue points out so clearly.

Originally posted by Mr Master
I think he's trying to say that Wanda only Warped Reality WITH IN the 616 Universe, (Which is WRONG!)

Originally posted by Mr Master
Wanda Warped/Remade the 616 Universe completely, by Exploding the Universe IN Her face, and then Remaking it a second later.

There is no arguing that 😄

Originally posted by Mr Master
As you wish.

"She's starting to REMAKE Reality 616... again" (more than once she did it)

I see this as Wanda Warping the 616 Universe.

I hope that's what you meant, otherwise....

Warping reality remaking same thing...

Originally posted by Mr Master

Maybe this will freshen your memory:

This must be another "illusion" of Wanda standing in the heart of that EXPLOSION.... 😆

I'm not going through this again, your bordering fanboy now.

Originally posted by Mr Master
If your under the impression that Genis-Vell can blink the Universe In and Out of existence, and Split Time and Space in Two,

You need to read more comics.

Genis-Vell, before being affected by Wanda's Universal Reality Warp, NEEDED PROPULTION BOOTS to FLY

"He's not using his propulsion boots to fly, Somehow, he's Folding Photons around him, Folding Space to propel himself"

Originally posted by Mr Master
All of a sudden he's Folding Space to Fly. His teammates are perplexed by this.

Originally posted by Mr Master
I think your terribly confusing INSANE Genis, with the subject at hand.

Any other counters on this, take it up with Marvel the Company that created these scenerios.

Originally posted by thedude1948
Warping reality remaking same thing...

And, I know that.

I thought you were saying Wanda didn't Warp the 616 Universe, just reality within it.

Originally posted by thedude1948
Yeah it really makes sense that the only way she can use her reality warping powers is to explode Universes in her face........ tell me this doesnt sound stupid

No.

But it seems her method for Warping the 616 Universe entire included first BLOWING up the Universe.

Right a letter to Marvel and complain, otherwise stop dreaming that your word will overwrite whats On Panel.

Originally posted by thedude1948
Go read New Thunderbolts 1-10 he didnt need propulsion boots.... He was also able to manipulate people at the molecular level.

"He's not using his propulsion boots to fly, Somehow, he's Folding Photons around him, Folding Space to propel himself"

Again, complain to the Writers of the Comic.

They're the ones that are DEFYING your knowledge of Genis

Originally posted by thedude1948
Wow..... you realize they are still in the HOM mindset right? And when Photon was changing back into his form that he was before HOM (by his own power), they were suprised.

What does this mean?

Changing back?

Are you talking toward the end of the issue?

If so your wrong about that too.

Genis was attacked by a member of his own squad, then he was made Catatonic with some bio-agent.

They had to do this because he couldn't "turn back"

Originally posted by thedude1948
You have no clue who Photon is do you, he was shown to be insanely powerful before HOM.

Point out for me where Photon has been shown blinking the Universe In and Out of existence, and I'll agree.

And Bisecting Time and Space.

Originally posted by Mr Master

No.

But it seems her method for Warping the 616 Universe entire included first BLOWING up the Universe.

Right a letter to Marvel and complain, otherwise stop dreaming that your word will overwrite whats On Panel.

Originally posted by Mr Master
"He's not using his propulsion boots to fly, Somehow, he's Folding Photons around him, Folding Space to propel himself"

Again, complain to the Writers of the Comic.

They're the ones that are DEFYING your knowledge of Genis

Originally posted by Mr Master

Point out for me where Photon has been shown blinking the Universe In and Out of existence, and I'll agree.

And Bisecting Time and Space.

Photon tells his teammates that he has cosmic awareness (which explains why he was able to sense that HOM wasnt the true reality.)

Radioactive man explaining to Genis his powers over Photons, this shows why he was able to fly without propulsion boots after he was regaining his Pre-HOM powers (which happened when he realized that HOM wasnt the true reality from Cosmic Awareness.)

Here Photon shows he is able to invert multiple people's molecular structure through interspace, seems pretty impressive.

And this is Photon redirecting a nuke into a spacial rift that he created...

All of this shows that what he did in HOM was not out of his powerset, There is zero proof that Wanda boosted Photon's powers why? because she never did. What she did was try to depower him, which he realized because he is cosmically aware.

Originally posted by thedude1948
What is wrong is your interpretation of the scan. The explosion is the artists interpretation of Wanda warping reality, it is a stretch (and pretty ridiculous) to think that she is blowing up universes in her face.

Complain to Marvel.

Everytime Wanda Warped 616, it was set off the same way, Universal destruction to creation.

Originally posted by thedude1948
The writers did nothing wrong. The HOM Genis needed propulsion boots, but when his cosmic awareness kicked in he was regaining the powers of his pre-HOM self and that is why he didnt need propulsion boots.

Of all your scans, I'll only concede to this one.

Originally posted by thedude1948

These scans are all from Photon pre-HOM

All of this shows that what he did in HOM was not out of his powerset,

Your trying to pull that stunt again, like in the Strange Gauntlet (unlike other people I read the scans)

NONE of those scans show Photon Splitting Reality in Two.
(You thought that was a spacerift?)

Bisecting Time and Space is beyond opening a hole into another dimension.

And NONE of those scans even remotely indicates that Your Photon can blink the Universe In and Out of Existence.

Originally posted by thedude1948
There is zero proof that Wanda boosted Photon's powers why? because she never did. What she did was try to depower him, which he realized because he is cosmically aware.

Go get more scans and prove it.

Cause so far,

Strange and ALL of is Talismans COMBINED CAN'T stand upto the Power Gem ALONE.

Wanda Blew up the Universe in her face.

Wanda Remade the 616 Reality

Wanda accelerated Genis's power to Insane Genis-Vell Levels.

Originally posted by Mr Master
NONE of those scans show Photon Splitting Reality in Two.
(You thought that was a spacerift?)

Bisecting Time and Space is beyond opening a hole into another dimension.

And NONE of those scans even remotely indicates that Your Photon can blink the Universe In and Out of Existence.

Originally posted by Mr Master
Go get more scans and prove it.

Originally posted by Mr Master
Strange and ALL of is Talismans COMBINED CAN'T stand upto the Power Gem ALONE.

Originally posted by Mr Master
Wanda Remade the 616 Reality

Originally posted by Mr Master

Wanda accelerated Genis's power to Insane Genis-Vell Levels.

Originally posted by thedude1948
If you want a scan of him Blinking the Universe in and out of existence before HOM, than you are being ridiculous.

Come on Dude, don't give me logic.

has he done it on panel, yes or no?

If No,

then it is courtesy of Wanda he was able to blink the Universe In and Out of existence, period.

Originally posted by thedude1948
I have already showed scans of him manipulating space. It would be a stretch to say Spider-Man could do those things on his own power but it isnt with Photon.

You haven't shown me anything, except for a Spacerift, which is hardly the same as rendering Space and Time in Two.

Originally posted by thedude1948
Show me a SCAN of Wanda powering up Genis.

I already did, but here it is again.

Genis, Blinking The Universe IN and OUT of existence

"For one second, EVERYTHING Collapsed, and Expanded, like an Accordian"

Your right about his Cosmic Awarness making him realize it's a changed Reality, but his sudden uber increase in Power was NOT due to his awareness, Wanda's Warp is at fault there.

Originally posted by thedude1948
I Agree

kewl.

Originally posted by thedude1948
Dude Photon > Insane Genis. Photon is an Omniversal Telepath...

I hope your not saying that Photon's Cosmic awareness in on an Omniversal Scale.

And until you show me, or point to me (I have all of his issues) when and where Photon blinked the Universe In and Out of existence, I'll stand by the On Panel evidence till it's dismissed.

Originally posted by thedude1948
Probably not directly, but he did stalemate Warlock with the Infinity Gauntlet until he came to his senses

Your going to make this claim again, after I disproved it?

Warlock Never tried to hurt Strange, he was trying to convince him to concede to his PLAN of eradicating ALL Evil from the Universe.

So he used the Gems on Strange, INDIVIDUALLY (ONE by ONE) ON THEIR OWN!

Time Gem:

First: Warlock tries to make him see his PLAN in the Future.

"but IF TIME will Not make You reconsider Your Opposition to my Scheme"

Space Gem:

Second: Warlock sends him deep in Space (into darkness), to scare Strange

"Then if Time and Space hold No TERRORS for you" (he only mentioned Time because he had just used it before, check the issue if you wish)

Reality Gem:

Third: Warlock warps the Reality around them, attempting to mess with their senses

"How do you Reason Out a defense, when Reason itself shift its stance?"

Mind Gem:

Fourth: Warlock uses the Mind

"If my MIND GEM cannot seduce you from your purpose, THEN...I will Strike at You"

The ONLY time Warlock actually tried to hurt Strange, was WHEN he used the Power Gem....the Power Gem, ALONE (I challenge you to prove me wrong)

Power Gem:

"But Knowing in ADVANCE that Warlock Possessed it" (Power Gem)

"I had Arranged for ALL My TALISMANS to Act TOGETHER to COUNTERACT it"

"Which even I KNOW, almost at once, CANNOT LONG ENDURE" (and this is ONLY the Power Gem)

"Warlock STILL has NOT used his Sixth and Final Weapon" (I thought You said it wasn't only the Power Gem) --- whoops ---

SEE, Warlock was USING the Gems SEPARATELY!

Soul Gem:

Strange reaches Warlock through his Soul Gem to communicate with him

Strange tells Warlock of the Future, and Warlock sees that it is true

This is Strange talking:

"He sees himself Victorious over me, DESTROYING Me, as must certainly happen ANY moment Now"

Warlock ALWAYS Knew the outcome of this drama

ONLY the Power Gem VS ALL of Strange's TALISMANS, and Strange is still saying that after TWO Panels, he will be Destroyed.

(Not just saying it, he actually saw it in the very NEAR future (or as Strange puts it, "ANY MOMENT NOW"😉

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There are only TWO instances in that issue where Warlock uses his true Power.

Here he completely overwrites Dr Strange's ability, when Strange evokes Oshtur's name (One of the Three Vishanti)

Here Warlock is juggling the Solar System at an incredible speed, without harming anything

He puts the Solar System back into Orbit like nothing

Originally posted by Mr Master
Genis, Blinking The Universe IN and OUT of existence

"For one second, EVERYTHING Collapsed, and Expanded, like an Accordian"

Your right about his Cosmic Awarness making him realize it's a changed Reality, but his sudden uber increase in Power was NOT due to his awareness, Wanda's Warp is at fault there.

Originally posted by Mr Master

I hope your not saying that Photon's Cosmic awareness in on an Omniversal Scale.

And until you show me, or point to me (I have all of his issues) when and where Photon blinked the Universe In and Out of existence, I'll stand by the On Panel evidence till it's dismissed.

And yes I've read the issue with Strange vs the IG. Adam Warlock had the upperhand the whole time, but Strange was just holding him off until he came to his senses which he eventually did. That is why I consider this a stalemate.

And look who was too scared to show up during this.

Originally posted by thedude1948
I looked through those scans but I dont see Wanda/Scarlet Witch mentioned anywhere.

Well then,

you mentioned Scarlet Witch when you said his Cosmic Awareness made him mindful of this Warped Reality.

Now, there is no mention of Scarlet Witch, even though it's an HOM tie in.

You claimed I was reaching, See, this...is what reaching truly is.

Originally posted by thedude1948

Learn from me,

You see you post valid proof, and I must agree, because on panel evidence is everything to me.

Nice work.

Originally posted by thedude1948
And yes I've read the issue with Strange vs the IG. Adam Warlock had the upperhand the whole time,

True.

Originally posted by thedude1948
but Strange was just holding him off until he came to his senses which he eventually did. That is why I consider this a stalemate.

How this scan proves, "Strange was holding him off" I have no idea.

Be a gentleman and concede,

that like you saw in my perfectly illustrated Scans, Strange with ALL his Talismans VS just the Power Gem, was a child.

Stalemate my ass.

You know it and I know it and anyone else that saw and read my post knows it.

Originally posted by thedude1948
And look who was too scared to show up during this.

More like concerned than afraid, for countless worlds that would die in a confrontation with the IG.

Still, how can you not expect him to be afraid, he was owned and Replaced by the IG.

It's you thats under the impression that Strange was battling the IG.

Strange ONLY battled the Power Gem, it lasted TWO Panels, had it gone One more, Strange would have been "DESTROYED" (his own words)

"He sees himself Victorious over me, DESTROYING Me, as must certainly happen ANY moment Now"

I can't believe your still confused about the IG and Strange incident, how is it you can't see that Warlock was NEVER trying to hurt Him, until Warlock used the Power Gem, ALONE against ALL of Strange's Talismans TOGETHER as One.

I agree if the fight with Adam Warlock went any longer Strange would have died. But it would have done alot of damage to the universe considering how Eternity reacted to the battle.

Originally posted by thedude1948
I agree if the fight with Adam Warlock went any longer Strange would have died.

🙂

Originally posted by thedude1948
But it would have done alot of damage to the universe considering how Eternity reacted to the battle.

Not at all, it was only the Power Gem.

Now had it been vs Eternity, he would of used the Gems in unison, and that would have been a whole different story.

The funny thing is that other dude "pig" or whatever, had the nerve to say Strange stalemated the Infinites and LT 😆

I disproved both claims conclusively ofcourse.

Originally posted by Mr Master
🙂

Not at all, it was only the Power Gem.

Now had it been vs Eternity, he would of used the Gems in unison, and that would have been a whole different story.

The funny thing is that other dude "pig" or whatever, had the nerve to say Strange stalemated the Infinites and LT 😆

I disproved both claims conclusively ofcourse.

I said his power worked on LT and it did. I said his power beat the infinitely powered being of Shuma and it did. His power has worked on Eternity and IB, all of which are above Wanda.

Both feats were brought up to show why Strange's power NOT working on Wanda was PIS. And it was.

I disagree on the fact that the whole of HoM was full of PIS and bad writing. I see Gateway, the mutant being powerful enough to totally be free of Wanda's power but Strange unable. That's called PIS. I see Strange needing Emma, even though she is his lesser in everything. That is PIS as well.

The whole thing stunk as well as the Onslaught saga, and everyone here discounts the OS saga because of it.

Can he beat Wanda? Of course. He has.

Can she beat him without prep? No.

Originally posted by Mr Master
Your going to make this claim again, after I disproved it?

Warlock Never tried to hurt Strange, he was trying to convince him to concede to his PLAN of eradicating ALL Evil from the Universe.

So he used the Gems on Strange, INDIVIDUALLY (ONE by ONE) ON THEIR OWN!

Time Gem:

First: Warlock tries to make him see his PLAN in the Future.

"but IF TIME will Not make You reconsider Your Opposition to my Scheme"

Space Gem:

Second: Warlock sends him deep in Space (into darkness), to scare Strange

"Then if Time and Space hold No TERRORS for you" (he only mentioned Time because he had just used it before, check the issue if you wish)

Reality Gem:

Third: Warlock warps the Reality around them, attempting to mess with their senses

"How do you Reason Out a defense, when Reason itself shift its stance?"

Mind Gem:

Fourth: Warlock uses the Mind

"If my MIND GEM cannot seduce you from your purpose, THEN...I will Strike at You"

The ONLY time Warlock actually tried to hurt Strange, was WHEN he used the Power Gem....the Power Gem, ALONE (I challenge you to prove me wrong)

Power Gem:

"But Knowing in ADVANCE that Warlock Possessed it" (Power Gem)

"I had Arranged for ALL My TALISMANS to Act TOGETHER to COUNTERACT it"

"Which even I KNOW, almost at once, CANNOT LONG ENDURE" (and this is ONLY the Power Gem)

"Warlock STILL has NOT used his Sixth and Final Weapon" (I thought You said it wasn't only the Power Gem) --- whoops ---

SEE, Warlock was USING the Gems SEPARATELY!

Soul Gem:

Strange reaches Warlock through his Soul Gem to communicate with him

Strange tells Warlock of the Future, and Warlock sees that it is true

This is Strange talking:

"He sees himself Victorious over me, DESTROYING Me, as must certainly happen ANY moment Now"

Warlock ALWAYS Knew the outcome of this drama

ONLY the Power Gem VS ALL of Strange's TALISMANS, and Strange is still saying that after TWO Panels, he will be Destroyed.

(Not just saying it, he actually saw it in the very NEAR future (or as Strange puts it, "ANY MOMENT NOW"😉

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Wanda couldn't do the same feat, she's possibly powerful enough, but not skilled enough. In the comic itself it says that both Warlock and Strange were literally putting out enough power to destroy many worlds.

Wanda could NOT stalemate the power gem. Neither could Galactus as seen earlier.

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