Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Meh. She's the queen of retcon. She was retconned to have the power of retcon. I don't get how exactly years of prep comes into play.
HoM Wanda is so full of holes it's stupid.
Originally posted by long pig
Um, no...no I didn't. And no, no you didn't. Read more, friend. Talk much less. It's a wise choice for someone in your...less than knowledgeable position.
Your the one with NO knowledge, and spewing fallacies left and right.
You got nerve homie to come back like your saying something,
"less than knowledgeable position"
Your beginning to crumble into a joke right now with that smart mouth.
Originally posted by long pig
I said his power worked on LT and it did.
BULL shit
"Strange vs LT" lmfao
LT was never trying to harm Strange, he was testing him to see if he had it in him to save the Planet Earth before LT Erased it.
This is the big wow of the issue for Strange, he breaks free from the Rings of Raggadorr that LT trapped him in.
LT here gives Strange another Test, he's Not trying to Harm him in anyway
"Let it then be the Final TEST of my Powers"
Strange says about LT....."I sense a Boundless Force"
So LT sends Dr Strange on his mission or else...
Let's not kid ourselves, Strange PLEADS while paying Homage to LT, to spare the Earth momentarily while he tries to fix what's wrong
Don't play yourself my boy, this is my house.
Originally posted by long pig
I said his power beat the infinitely powered being of Shuma and it did.
Infinite?
Your kidding right?
When Strange absorbed Shuma's Power he was able to manipulate a pocket dimension youpi
You want the scans, it's a pain cropping them especially seeing your overlooking them and making an ass of yourself by insulting me.
Originally posted by long pig
His power has worked on Eternity and IB, all of which are above Wanda.
"His power has worked" That's a vague statement if I seen one.
And Yes of course Eternity is above Wanda,
Wanda only REMADE Him, oh I don't know, 8 TIMES? Or was it 7? No, I'm pretty sure it was 8 freaking TIMES.
"She's starting to REMAKE Reality 616... again" (several times my boy)
IB, don't make laugh, not worth acknowledging.
Originally posted by long pig
Both feats were brought up to show why Strange's power NOT working on Wanda was PIS. And it was.
Why?
Because Strange can't defeat Eternity and Wanda destroyed and recreated Eternity several TIMES?
It only would have been PIS if Strange would have done more than be a submissive puppy around her.
Originally posted by long pig
I disagree on the fact that the whole of HoM was full of PIS and bad writing. I see Gateway, the mutant being powerful enough to totally be free of Wanda's power but Strange unable.
Which is why reading the story meticulously could help your understanding.
That was pre-designed.
Originally posted by long pig
That's called PIS. I see Strange needing Emma, even though she is his lesser in everything. That is PIS as well.
He didn't need her, they needed each other.
Originally posted by long pig
Can he beat Wanda? Of course. He has.Can she beat him without prep? No.
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Originally posted by long pig
You downplay this and it makes you look foolish.
Again, your mouth is your worst weapon.
Downplaying it cause it's NOT what you thought it was. 😆
Strange was OWNED by the Power Gem ALONE, period.
Originally posted by long pig
Wanda couldn't do the same feat, she's possibly powerful enough, but not skilled enough.
"skill"?
"Your there, your not there", it takes alot of skill.
Originally posted by long pig
In the comic itself it says that both Warlock and Strange were literally putting out enough power to destroy many worlds.
In they're 3 panel struggle between the Power Gem ALONE VS ALL of Strange's TALISMANS Together as One.
And Strange still was going to be DESTROYED if it had lasted One more Panel:
"He sees himself Victorious over me, DESTROYING Me, as must certainly happen ANY moment Now"
Yes, the Power Gem ALONE would be to much for her, she's better off Destroying and Recreating the entire Universe than daring to tangle with the Power Gem....oh my
The Power Gem runforhills
Originally posted by long pig
Wanda could NOT stalemate the power gem.
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Originally posted by long pig
Neither could Galactus as seen earlier.
Call me when Galactus begins to Re-Write 616 Eternity.
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Oh please, I've read every Strange comic there is. And because of that, I can tell you haven't.
Also, stop showing the same cropped/taken out of context scans, please.
And no, she didn't recreate friggin' eternity. Go to Marvel.com and see that the common thought is she was a illusion master....the same way they retconned the Beyonder.
Again, since you don't know what you're saying, the infinite being HAD infinite power and Strange stole that power.
Seriously, you didn't even know Strange has multiversal power and sources. You don't even know that Eternity is multiversal....unless you think that 616 is a small dimensoin which you obviously do.
Anyway, this is all going over your head so this is what happens:
Strange beats her because he's better skilled and has a larger range of power.
Hell, Strange wins 10/10 with prep. Why? Well, he kills her parents before she's born. Strange's timetravel is better than Kang's even.
o'course, you'd need to READ Strange before knowing.
As for the I.G, the powergem can do anything. But Strange has held off the I.G when it's used with all gems like I said.
Originally posted by long pig
Oh please, I've read every Strange comic there is. And because of that, I can tell you haven't.Also, stop showing the same cropped/taken out of context scans, please.And no, she didn't recreate friggin' eternity. Go to Marvel.com and see that the common thought is she was a illusion master....the same way they retconned the Beyonder.Again, since you don't know what you're saying, the infinite being HAD infinite power and Strange stole that power.
Seriously, you didn't even know Strange has multiversal power and sources. You don't even know that Eternity is multiversal....unless you think that 616 is a small dimensoin which you obviously do.Anyway, this is all going over your head so this is what happens😖trange beats her because he's better skilled and has a larger range of power.Hell, Strange wins 10/10 with prep. Why? Well, he kills her parents before she's born. Strange's timetravel is better than Kang even.
o'course, you'd need to READ Strange before talking.
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Originally posted by Mr Master
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You must have forgotten Strange's time travel powers...oh wait, you didn't know he had them.
If you say he can't do that, and it wouldn't offer him a 10/10 win, you're just trolling.
Strange beat her when she had no prep before and he'd do it again. If she had those many years prep, she would win. The only difference between HoM Wanda and the other Wanda is she was unable to use her prep because she was taken off guard.
Originally posted by long pig
So, you don't think he could kill her parent, thus killing her? You're that much in denial?
Of course not you silly child, Wanda was in FULL Control of Time, she Rearranged Time 8 TIMES OVER.
"Illusion Master"
I can picture you smoking a joint and laughing at me.
Cause you can't be a serious person.
Originally posted by long pig
You must have forgotten Strange's time travel powers...oh wait, you didn't know he had them.
Time travel vs someone that controls ALL aspects of Reality including Time.
Originally posted by long pig
If you say he can't do that, and it wouldn't offer him a 10/10 win, you're just trolling.
I have to concede to your outlandish unsounded speculation, or I'm a troll.
Doesn't leave much room for choice.
In this case I'll take the troll (death before dishonor)
Seriously how can you expect me to take you serious, with all the exaggerated claims you've made?
Had it been just your bull shit that would of been fine, but then you have the nerve to critique my knowledge and now perception of comics, when your pumping either extreme mis-interpretations, or wierd fascinations of hate towards Wanda or it could be your just a LIAR.
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Of course not you silly child, Wanda was in FULL Control of Time, she Rearranged Time 8 TIMES OVER.
You still fail to grasp the fact that Strange would kill her before she was ever born. Wanda doesn't have prep here, Strange does. And that's why he wins 10/10. 100% every time.
"Illusion Master"I can picture you smoking a joint and laughing at me.
Cause you can't be a serious person.
I have to concede to your outlandish unsounded speculation, or I'm a troll.
Had it been just your bull shit that would of been fine, but then you have the nerve to critique my knowledge and now perception of comics, when your pumping either extreme mis-interpretations, or wierd fascinations of hate towards Wanda or it could be your just a LIAR.
I do all this because you have consistently tried to dodge facts and or totally ignored them.
I DON'T think you've read as much Strange as me and I DON'T believe you know more about him than me. Why? Because your words prove it.
Now, again, Strange wins 10/10 because of his larger power source, time travel and his connection to the multiverse. Also he's unable to die and he has beaten worse.
Originally posted by long pig
Full control my ass, she never once went into the past as Strange does. If she was able, she'd have went to the past to have her real children instead of her illusions.
Do you even know what CAUSALITY is?
Strange telling us that's what Wanda does, (control causality)
CAUSALITY is the relationship between cause and effect.
Meaning, she can change the Past the Present and the Future, by altering a Cause to achieve a different Effect.
Which is why Groucho Marx was the Mayor of Phoenix Arizona, Why Gwen (Spiderman's long dead X) was alive and well, why Captain America became a 100 year old man who had never taken the SSS:
Just to name a few of many many more.
GO READ COMICS!
Originally posted by long pig
You still fail to grasp the fact that Strange would kill her before she was ever born. Wanda doesn't have prep here, Strange does.
Strange with Prep and ALL of his TALISMANS TOGETHER as ONE (every weapon at his disposal) can't even handle the POWER GEM ALONE, ALONE, ALOOOOOOONE!!!
The ONLY time Warlock actually tried to hurt Strange, was WHEN he used the Power Gem....the Power Gem, ALONE (I challenge you to prove me wrong)
"But Knowing in ADVANCE that Warlock Possessed it" (Power Gem)
"I had Arranged for ALL My TALISMANS to Act TOGETHER to COUNTERACT it"
"Which even I KNOW, almost at once, CANNOT LONG ENDURE" (and this is ONLY the Power Gem)
"Warlock STILL has NOT used his Sixth and Final Weapon"
Gamora clarifies it for Intransigent individuals such as yourself, it was the POWER GEM, ALONE VS ALL of Strange's Power and reserves.
AFTER Three Panels (NOT even a Full Page)
Strange talking:
"He sees himself Victorious over me, DESTROYING Me, as must certainly happen ANY moment Now"
GO READ COMICS!
Originally posted by long pig
That's what she was, an illusion master. Case in point: Hawkeye saw through it, he saw through her paper thin illusion over reality.
You don't know anything about what your talking about.
Hawkeye saw through her alright
HAHAHAHAHA!!!
Go READ COMICS!
Originally posted by long pig
Yes, you HAVE to. There is only two way to see my statement. Either fact, or a place to troll. All because what I said is irrefutable.
I've Disproved all your BULL shit claims,
like Strange stalemating the IG, when he couldn't even last more than THREE Panels againt the POWER GEM ALONE, LOLOLOLOL...
like Strange stalemating LT, the biggest LIE I think I have ever seen on kmc.
like Strange affecting the Infinites (HAHAHAHAHAHA!)
You even made Strange a Multi-versal power (HAHAHAHAHAH!)
GO READ COMICS!
Originally posted by long pig
I do critique your knowledge and your ability to tell the truth. I also question your motives and your way of cutting out feats that suit your needs even out of context things.
More gibberish, from a person who has nothing left, but attempt to belittle the facts.
I INVITE Anyone to go check out the issues your BULLSH*TTING about,
On the Strange stalemating the IG (Check Dr Strange vol 1-#36)
On the Strange stalemating LT (Check Strange Tales #158)
On the Strange doing anything to the Infinites (Check Avengers Infinity #1-4)
GO READ COMICS!
Originally posted by long pig
I do all this because you have consistently tried to dodge facts and or totally ignored them.
Are you on drugs?
I have addressed every LIE you have posted.
Originally posted by long pig
I DON'T think you've read as much Strange as me and I DON'T believe you know more about him than me. Why? Because your words prove it.
I don't think you've read anything, since your only LYING in your claims.
I thought you was just mis-interpreting or talking out your ass, but your actually a LIAR I have come to notice.
Your pissed at me because I brought that to light with ON PANEL PROOF.
All you have is your wise mouth, that spits garbage.
Originally posted by long pig
Now, again, Strange wins 10/10 because of his larger power source, time travel and his connection to the multiverse. Also he's unable to die and he has beaten worse.
Again, Wanda thinks, No more Strange, and No more Strange it is.
Wanda 10/10 times because she can DESTROY and RECREATE the 616 Universe with a passing whim.
"She's starting to REMAKE Reality 616... again" (more than once she did it)
"You might not even exist anymore in whatever New Reality takes its place"
"Who knows how she'll change Everything this time"
GO READ COMICS!
Originally posted by thedude1948
Strange has shielded himself, Silver Surfer, and Adam Warlock from universal reality warping by the Infinity Gauntlet (with all the gems used as one).
I know your not like the other guy, so I'll take it as a misinterpretation of yours.
Strange NEVER shielded himself or any other from the IG, or anything the IG did.
The universal warp Nebula did had NOTHING to do with harming Strange or any of the others you mentioned.
Nebula simply put the Universe back the way it was 24 hours ago.
First of all, lets get it right.
Nebula NEVER had a chance to have absolute control of the Gauntlet
"Nebula's inexperience and CONFUSION is our EDGE"
Thanos said it
"You haven't the VISION necessary to properly EXPLOIT the Infinity Gems"
For a moment the Cosmics actually had a chance
"Her Full strength is NOT Allowed to be brought into play, As EXPECTED, Nebula DOESN'T SEE this and has Fallen Victim"
This of course WOULD NEVER and did NEVER happen to Thanos
Thanos defeated himself as you know
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OK, now back to Strange
Warlock, Strange, Surfer and Thanos realize Nebula can't sense Warlock
Warlock points at Strange, Then Doc does some hex behind his back
Nebula then Waprs the Universe back to what it was 24 hours ago, she's such an idiot that she nearly lost right there and then, because 24 hours ago she was ROTTING FLESH with life.
Warlock sneaks up on Nebula and touches the IG, that was his plan, in order to enter the Soul Gem (which he is bonded to)
Warlock enter the Soul Gem and takes the Surfer with him
As you can see, Nebula NEVER attacks Strange in ANY way, if anything it SEEMS she attacks the Surfer, but we quickly learn that was not the case a few pages later.
Warlock falls away, Surfer is comatose (or Soulless) and Strange is kneeling beside him.
Nebula STILL has NOT attacked Strange in anyway.
This is wierd, Nebula says, "How is it that you still remain"? When she NEVER attacked them.
Then Nebula seems to think Strange had something to do with it, but to DO with WHAT? She NEVER attacked them.
He must of played a trick on her confused mind, but even I have no idea what she's referring to,
I only know for SURE she did NOT attack him.
Thanos does say, "ANOTHER Error in Judgement"
Perhaps he's letting us know, that Nebula is totally clueless as to what is going on in this scene.
Anyhow, BACK to Warlock and Surfer:
This Proves that Nebula did NOT attack Surfer
"It is ALL part of the Plan"
It was Warlock that brought Surfer to Soul World when he touched the IG.
And this is the reason for Warlock bringing Surfer here
Warlock needed Surfer to be a Spiritual Anchor to sustain him while he takes control of the IG from within Soul World.
Originally posted by thedude1948
With prep he should be able to shield himself from Wanda.
With prep, Strange was a child with ALL his TALISMANS Together as One versus the POWER GEM ALONE!!!
When the Power Gem ALONE, begins Destroying then Re-Writing the 616 Universe, I'll consider your opinion on that specific matter.
Nebula didnt attack Strange directly she remade the universe exactly as it was 24 hours ago raising all the people who died. EVERYONE was effected by this except those that Strange shielded.
Adam Warlock signals to Strange to cast some spell, right after Nebula remakes the Universe.
Next page you see that everything is the same as it was 24 hrs ago, with half of the people in the universe resurrected and destroyed planets realigned, everything that happened here is on a larger scale than anything Wanda has ever done.
Originally posted by Mr Master
Nebula STILL has NOT attacked Strange in anyway.This is wierd, Nebula says, "How is it that you still remain"? When she NEVER attacked them.
Then Nebula seems to think Strange had something to do with it, but to DO with WHAT? She NEVER attacked them.
He must of played a trick on her confused mind, but even I have no idea what she's referring to,
I only know for SURE she did NOT attack him.
She then realized it was Strange who casted the shield that protected him and Surfer from her powers.
Originally posted by Mr Master
Nebula NEVER had a chance to have absolute control of the Gauntlet
"Nebula's inexperience and CONFUSION is our EDGE"
Originally posted by Mr Master
Thanos does say, "ANOTHER Error in Judgement"
Perhaps he's letting us know, that Nebula is totally clueless as to what is going on in this scene.
Originally posted by Mr Master
When the Power Gem ALONE, begins Destroying then Re-Writing the 616 Universe, I'll consider your opinion on that specific matter.
I also do agree with you that Thanos and Adam with the IG > Nebula with the IG. But Nebula still has more control over the IG, than Wanda does with her power. and the IG still is more powerful than any of Wanda's power.
Originally posted by thedude1948
Nebula didnt attack Strange directly she remade the universe exactly as it was 24 hours ago raising all the people who died. EVERYONE was effected by this except those that Strange shielded.Adam Warlock signals to Strange to cast some spell, right after Nebula remakes the Universe.
Warlock is pointing at Strange BEFORE she does the Warp.
How did he know she was going to do that?
If he's only pointing a finger, and this lets Strange know what to do, they must of came with a pre-meditated plan, which they did if you check issue #5 (the exact Plan is not known in #5 though)
And since when did Strange and the rest NOT exist 24 hours ago?
If Nebula changed everything to what it was, while would Strange & company NOT REMAIN, since they were there before?
"With the EXCEPTION that I Retain possession of the IG, let EVERYTHING be as it was"
If you can point out to me when Nebula said, EVERYTHING be as it was EXCEPT for my IG and the Existence of Dr Strange and company, I'll agree.
Otherwise, Strange NEVER shielded himself or anyone else from a Universal Reality Warp.
Originally posted by thedude1948
Next page you see that everything is the same as it was 24 hrs ago, with half of the people in the universe resurrected and destroyed planets realigned,
Not exactly.
Half the population was resurrected, that's accurate.
And ONE Planet was put back in orbit, thats it.
In Fact, Nebula DIDN'T even Warp the whole Universe, just those areas that were affected by Thanos.
Originally posted by thedude1948
everything that happened here is on a larger scale than anything Wanda has ever done.
Laughable.
Resurrecting Half the population of the Universe, and Replaceing the ORBIT of ONE Planet.
Versus
REMAKING the ENTIRE 616 Universe, (Not Half but ALL the population, ALL Planet, Stars, Galaxies...do I need to continue?)
Originally posted by thedude1948
She just warped reality and she was wondering why Strange and Surfer was still there because she INCLUDED them in the reality warp.
Speculative.
There is NO mention ANYWHERE of what your claiming.
Strange and Surfer were there 24 Hours ago, there is NO reason whatsoever for you to suggest Nebula included them in her Warp (as to NOT Remain)
Originally posted by thedude1948
She then realized it was Strange who casted the shield that protected him and Surfer from her powers.
Protected him from what powers?
All Nebula did was UNDO what Thanos had Done.
What did Thanos do?
Erase Half the population and take ONE Planet out of it's Orbit.
If you can't prove (and I know you can't) that Nebula specifically wanted Strange and Surfer NOT to REMAIN after she undid what Thanos had done, you got nada.
Originally posted by thedude1948
Thanos was referring to the cosmic beings who showed up on the bottom of the [b]very same page. It was an error in judgement because even the abstracts were effected by the reality warp placing them where they were 24 hours ago which is at that same place.
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I agree.
Originally posted by thedude1948
Maybe, but reality warping by the Infinity Gauntlet > reality warping by Wanda.
Not in Nebula's case, since she didn't Warp the entire Universe, only undid Thanos's past actions.
And why would the Reality Warping be any different?
Wanda was the GOD of the 616 Universe during HOM. She REMADE Reality more times than Thanos ever did.
Thanos topped her when he actually became Eternity, Wanda never displayed that capacity.
Originally posted by thedude1948
I also think any person with the Infinity Gauntlet > HOM Wanda.
Speculative.
Originally posted by thedude1948
and he DID shield himself from Universal reality warping that was done by a person more powerful than Wanda,
Well I think you now know, it wasn't the Universe that was warped.
Just Half the Population was resurrected and ONE Planet was put back in orbit.
Originally posted by thedude1948
there is absolutely no reason that he cant shield himself from Wanda if he is given prep.
Well until Strange proves that On Panel, I must disagree.
Originally posted by thedude1948
But Nebula still has more control over the IG, than Wanda does with her power.
Lets save that for that thread.
Originally posted by thedude1948
and the IG still is more powerful than any of Wanda's power.
I agree.
Originally posted by Mr Master
Warlock is pointing at Strange BEFORE she does the Warp.How did he know she was going to do that?
Originally posted by Mr MasterProbably, the plan was for Strange to put a shield around them when Nebula was going to use her powers.
If he's only pointing a finger, and this lets Strange know what to do, they must of came with a pre-meditated plan, which they did if you check issue #5 (the exact Plan is not known in #5 though)
Originally posted by Mr MasterThey did exist but Strange and Surfer were all at Strange's house.
And since when did Strange and the rest NOT exist 24 hours ago?
Originally posted by Mr Master
If Nebula changed everything to what it was, while would Strange & company NOT REMAIN, since they were there before?
Originally posted by Mr MasterIt is a pretty good assumption that EVERYTHING included Strange and Surfer.
"With the EXCEPTION that I Retain possession of the IG, let EVERYTHING be as it was"If you can point out to me when Nebula said, EVERYTHING be as it was EXCEPT for my IG and the Existence of Dr Strange and company, I'll agree.
Otherwise, Strange NEVER shielded himself or anyone else from a Universal Reality Warp.
Originally posted by Mr MasterShe changed the universe to be exactly as it was 24 hours ago so I am assuming she changed everything at least slightly.
Not exactly.Half the population was resurrected, that's accurate.
And ONE Planet was put back in orbit, thats it.
In Fact, Nebula DIDN'T even Warp the whole Universe, just those areas that were affected by Thanos.
Originally posted by Mr Master
Laughable.Resurrecting Half the population of the Universe, and Replaceing the ORBIT of ONE Planet.
Versus
REMAKING the ENTIRE 616 Universe, (Not Half but ALL the population, ALL Planet, Stars, Galaxies...do I need to continue?)
Originally posted by Mr MasterThey werent there... When half of the universe died Strange was holding Surfer in his house while he was crying.
There is NO mention ANYWHERE of what your claiming.Strange and Surfer were there 24 Hours ago, there is NO reason whatsoever for you to suggest Nebula included them in her Warp (as to NOT Remain).
"How is it that you two still remain?" it is 100% clear she included them in her reality warp, there is no arguing this.
Originally posted by Mr MasterWanda has no control over her powers. I would think God would have at least some control over his.
Wanda was the GOD of the 616 Universe during HOM. She REMADE Reality more times than Thanos ever did.Thanos topped her when he actually became Eternity, Wanda never displayed that capacity.
Please don't tell me you think that Nebula w/IG MEANT not overpower Strange?
Don't be unintelligent.
Strange simply negated the entire I.G attack with a single gesture. And guess what? That's not his greatest feat.
Oh, mister, prove Wanda (tries not to laugh at you) remade Eternity, Death, IB and the rest.
Prove that she killed them.
She didn't, just as any high grade illusionist couldn't.
