Originally posted by Surreal_44
Glad I amuse you so much. 😉But when Jack makes off with something valuable of yours like say...most of your money and you can't pay for food, I think you'd probably be a little peeved.
No one's life is 'easy'...that doesn't mean that you can go and steal from others to support yourself. If you found some stranger sitting in your family room, eating your food, and using your credit card to buy (expensive) stuff on-line, are you going to tell him it's ok because he's had a hard life, and sure, he can take all he wants, and give nothing back?
I somehow doubt it.
It's rather similar to Jack Sparrow. Without someone there to be a foil to Jack, the movies will flounder. His character is so exhausting that he NEEDS that more noble, righteous character there to support him.
And I don't think J/E make a good couple simply because they are both self-centered and piratey. In all but perhaps two short moments on the screen, Elizabeth is annoyed, angered or exasperrated at Jack Sparrow. I don't think that shows any sign for any stable sort of relationship.
I also don't believe for a moment that they were going to put a J/E love scene into the movie...mainly because J/E will NOT happen. It was a flirtation...Elizabeth is attracted to Jack, yeah (who isn't?), but she LOVES Will.
Now IF they make a 4th movie (I think they're pushing it even by thinking about it), perhaps an Elizabeth/Jack love would work out...but they'd have to make Will's death/disappearance meaningful and logical.
As far as the scene with the child, I don't think that Elizabeth went off to make a love child with Jack OR Will. More than likely there is a scene with a marriage and a logical jump forward in time that would account for a child.
A love scene does not mean OMG!J/E!!!! It could be Tia/DJ, W/E, E/Pirate Guy, J/Tortuga Wench....in this movie, it could be anyone. Besides, I heard that they have indeed filmed a 'love scene'...one of several. I don't think it's going to turn into a smut film filled only with trappings of J/E.
i know you are making some people mad on this site, but this seems like a very smart post to me. it makes a lot of sense.
not that i agree with all of it. but its true. a lot of the hints and rumors could go either way... i dont blame us for taking them OUR way... 😄 but they could mean something entirely different than we have them pegged.
i DO think the child would be the product of marriage, but i also think/hope it has been cut. if they want to mess with that, wait for 4. give us some time to get used to whatever happens in 3.
What you said, "liz is attracted to jack but loves will"... i think there is some sense in this. however, i think that could flip quite easily, if they wanted it to. who knows. but the attraction between jack and liz isnt a passing fancy... as jack would put it... it is resolute and unyielding. at least on his side of things.
and loving someone doesnt always mean you are meant to be with them forever. i agree that liz loves will a lot, but i am not always convinced it is a purely romantic love. they obviously have some problems as a couple. could they work through them? sure, i guess. will they? thats they mystery...
yeah but Ted elliot basically told us Elizabeth has deeper feelings for Jack..and its not just lust
heck if it was just lust and not some form of deeper feelings for him then I doubt she would make sure Jack is removed from her life at the end of DMC..he's such a threat to her and Will's "perfect relationship"
She killed Jack because he was SUCH a threat to her emotions and feelings...yeah like THATS just going to go away by movie 3.
Originally posted by Surreal_44
Well, I see J/E...I just don't see it as the One True Pairing of the Pirates movies.Jack is a pirate. He steals from everyone. If you had him over to your house, he would steal something from you. He doesn't hold that much loyalty in him to NOT be able to take from you. He's a shameless flirt, has no problem invading personal space, and is wholey, completely, self-centered.
Still loads of fun to watch. 😉
Will's scenes with his father are actually quite touching and full of interesting information about the chest and the key. Wyvern!!! He rocks! I think that's how you spell his name, at least....
this is funny..because Jerry, Ted, Terry and Gore all say that Jack is not your regular pirate...he has a sense of morality...he knows what's right and wrong...and in both pirate movies...he has proven it time and time again...and I bet you in POTC 3 we are going to see that in the long run he is a better man than Poor Old William Turner....Will is going to betray Jack big time..and in actuality Jack has never betrayed Will...he did not kiss Liz..she kissed him....and and and....I'd let Jack in my house any ole day..i'd love it...gosh, captain jack sparrow in my house..take what ya want Jack...it's all yours 🤣 😆 JACK IS NOT SELF_CENTERED...it's so funny how some people refuse to see the real Jack Sparrow..and the real Jack Sparrow was definitely revealed in that last scene of DMC....the courageous, good hearted man who sacrifices everything for his friends and crew....THE WRITERS AND DIRECTORS AND PRODUCERS...HAVE SAID THIS..THAT JACK IS REALLY A GOOD HONEST MAN THAT WHY HE IS SUCH A BAD PIRATE.....And we are also going to find out that everytime Jack stole a treasure or something (which I have seen no evidence of this) that he stole from the evil, filthy rich and gave to the poor and underpriviledge...possibly helped the slaves eat and drink that he refused to transport and trade for the EITC...you'll see.....and plus, if you really really really look at Jack Sparrow...he is the real hero of this trilogy....
Whats interesting is howed and Terry say never trust Jack when he uses lots of words.when he does that he's usually trying to decieve and is being dishonest, he ususally has bad intentions at heart.
Jack is his most honest when he is SILENT or uses very little words.
then take that bit of info and put it over all the moments of Jack/Liz in the trilogy so far..you will see what Jack/Liz is all about
guess who's the one that uses all the words where they are trying to hide their true intentions/emotions in certain close Jack/Liz scenes?
thats right..Its his little Lizzie.
what ever she's saying to him in those senes when she's blabbing on is a lie ...she's trying to cover up what she is really doing or why she is really doing it to him.
think of that with the Curiosity scene and the end scene.
think of the moments when they are both silent together as well..for example the godlike shot. It says it all about their relationship.
Jacks actions speak louder than words, and it shows that he is honest and a GOOD MAN
Its true Elizabeth loves Will, but she isnt in love with him. Shes in Love with Jack Sparrow.
She cares about Will alot but her true destiny and her happiness lies with Jack. She wants to embrace freedom(Jack) not corsets(Will)
well, i think we all know there WILL be a wedding between jack and liz... correct? so why couldnt there be a kid from that union? (not that i want it, and i still think that bit is way out anyways).
yeah, I dont think Jack is a good man, but he's a smart man with a decent side to him. he does want to do the right thing for the most part, but he also wants to survive.
i think his main problem is that he isnt very communicative. he really has great plans to help himself and everyone else survive and get what he wants, but he doesnt share them with everyone (due to bad experiences in his past) so people think he's double crossing them when he's not... if he were a bit more open with people, he would come across more how he really is...