Study Claims Iraq's 'Excess' Death Toll Has Reached 655,000

Originally posted by Darth Kreiger
WMD's that did exist, have been found, maybe not on such a great scale, but still. Saddam was a terrible Dictator, he murdered countless people, and the new Government in the region will help with the other countries in the region.

You could easily say that Bush has murdered hundreds of thousands of this own people.
I didn;t know that Sadaam was a threat because he had a can of sarin gas...made in the USA of course.

Originally posted by Darth Kreiger
The reason we're doing this late, is because people didn't wake up to the need until 9/11, and that didn't last long.

What the friendly Liberals want to do is leave and let the Country rot, like they did with so many, Somalia, Rwanda, hell even George Bush Sr ****ed up in the First Gulf War.

Piss off. The same rabid warmongering Republicans that wanted to nuke the world after 9-11 wanted to pull out of Somalia the second after Black Hawk Down. The rotting touch of this administration has destroyed US credibility and any hope of saving the Middle East for a generation.

By the way...most "liberals" don't want to pull out.

Originally posted by Imperial_Samura
an aging dictator

an aging dictator that was left in power in the 91 war because he was the lynch pen on a bag of shit that this administration has opened on teh entire middle east.

Originally posted by Darth Kreiger
WMD's that did exist, have been found, maybe not on such a great scale, but still.

wow, that's a shitty argument. That's like saying "We were wrong, but still...." Dee Dah Dee!

"Look! I found a lighter!"

Originally posted by Imperial_Samura
Oh Jesus Christ. Do you actually believe that? You do realise Iraq wasn't going to be responsible for any American deaths don't you? Where does that logic come from? Iraq wasn't in with the terrorists. Iraq wasn't stock piling weapons. Iraq wasn't on the verge of invading. Iraq wasn't a threat to the US.

If all the reports are right then if anything the situation in Iraq has compounded the terrorist threat. Iraqis are dying, and now there are more terrorists then before, who hate the US just as much. In what view is this concidered a... sucess?

I'd rather have 655,000 dead Iraqis than Americans. Call me a heartless bastard, I don't give a ****.

Originally posted by Quiero Mota
I'd rather have 655,000 dead Iraqis than Americans. Call me a heartless bastard, I don't give a ****.

There is a point where someone looses their claim to humanity.

You're a poor excuse for a person.

The only real difference between an Iraqi and an American is a title.

Originally posted by Alliance
You're a poor excuse for a person.

Tell me about it, stranger.

How about you both agree that 650,000 dead anyones is a tragic number? And one that could have been avoided?

Originally posted by Capt_Fantastic
How about you both agree that 650,000 dead anyones is a tragic number? And one that could have been avoided?

Yeah, six hundred-K dead anyones is tragic.

But between Iraqis and Americans, it isn't even a question.

Originally posted by Quiero Mota
But between Iraqis and Americans, it isn't even a question.

even if it could have been avoided?

Originally posted by Capt_Fantastic
even if it could have been avoided?

If it can be avoided, then that would be desirable.

Originally posted by Quiero Mota
But between Iraqis and Americans, it isn't even a question.

Theoretically, since I find it unpleasant to think in such a way, would you find it acceptable if I postulated that if something terrible were to happen, something that would cost millions of live, I'd hope it was Americans rather then Australians or British lives that were lost?

Because I find it hard to fathom - putting one group of people so easily before another: "At the end of the day if it is between Iraqi and American American will always be in the lifeboat first."

I believe that is one of the reasons why the US has a bad rap in certain global circles - the concept of "US interests must come first."

an aging dictator that was left in power in the 91 war because he was the lynch pen on a bag of shit that this administration has opened on teh entire middle east.

Exactly.

WMD's that did exist, have been found, maybe not on such a great scale, but still. Saddam was a terrible Dictator, he murdered countless people, and the new Government in the region will help with the other countries in the region.

Hmmmm. We had the claims in the lead up Saddam was stockpiling, trying to get his hands on nuclear material and running an active weapons program. The reality was... a small amount of degraded canisters found buried out in the desert where they had apparently been forgotten. The Iraqi regime at the end of the day didn't have the WMD the US and co made out, wasn't doing what the US and co made out.

A terrible dictator with a history. And I am sure the many thousands who have died since his removal will be happy. As well as all the ones that dies when he was left in office the first time round.

As the government helping other governments? What now? People are dubious the democracy will hold. People are convinced the next election will see and even greater Shi'ia presence in the government, brining Iraq just a step closer to Iran. So far there have been no signs of democracy taking hold and transforming the middle east into a democratic paradise. Just a lot of blood and hate.

Originally posted by Quiero Mota
Yeah, six hundred-K dead anyones is tragic.

But between Iraqis and Americans, it isn't even a question.

600,000 americans were never in danger of dying at the hands of hussein.

see that thing fluttering out the window? thats your argument

Originally posted by PVS
600,000 americans were never in danger of dying at the hands of hussein.

see that thing fluttering out the window? thats your argument

And this is why argueing politics is pointless online....

Originally posted by Quiero Mota
Yeah, six hundred-K dead anyones is tragic.

But between Iraqis and Americans, it isn't even a question.

Hah. 6K dead anyones is tragic.

Originally posted by PVS
600,000 americans were never in danger of dying at the hands of hussein.
see that thing fluttering out the window? thats your argument

What I dont' get....if Sadaam totally had WMD's, would invading just make him use WMDs against our troops?

Poor planning? Kind of like poor armor?

Racism is also tragic.

Originally posted by Capt_Fantastic
How about you both agree that 650,000 dead anyones is a tragic number? And one that could have been avoided?

Originally posted by FeceMan
What was it that Stalin said?

In Soviet Russia car drives you?

Originally posted by Darth Kreiger
And this is why argueing politics is pointless online....

Indeed, the shit piles up fast on both sides of the pile looking to be "right."

Originally posted by Alliance
What I dont' get....if Sadaam totally had WMD's, would invading just make him use WMDs against our troops?

Poor planning? Kind of like poor armor?

Racism is also tragic.

In the actual "war" period those certain he had mobile weapons labs and massive stockpiles of the newest and best biological and chemical arguments were asked a similar question. Typically they answered:

"Saddam is out of touch, he thinks the US will give up before we get to the capital so he doesn't think it worth wasting them on our soldiers."

Even at that point I thought it dodgy. He didn't need much pushing to use them on his own people. Or the Iranians, or perhaps the US in the first Gulf War. Yet for some reason he holds off when Americans come knocking a second time. I dare say it was the actual lack of the weapons that prevented him using them.

Indeed, the shit piles up fast on both sides of the pile looking to be "right."

Though strangely enough one side often accumulates it a lot faster. What with "better them then us" mentalities.

Originally posted by Imperial_Samura
I dare say it was the actual lack of the weapons that prevented him using them.

Oh how bold.

Originally posted by Alliance
Oh how bold.

Yes, I'm flying in the face of God today. I'll just wait for someone to jump in an say how "technically he had them, even if they were decades old, significantly degraded and few in number."