White Phoenix VS HOM Scarlet Witch

Originally posted by bigbran
So, one feat puts her over beating the hell out of most of the abstracts on numerous occasions?

Atleza was juggling damn universes! I guess she is quite a bit way over Phoenix as well. So a little 5 year old or however child is way way over Phoenix. You do know I am going by your logic here.

Do you think that she could have done her feat anywhere else but in the White Hot Room?

Atleza wasnt juggling universes. Atleza is the reality anchor of 616 alone. To be able to support Eternity like that shows shes a great cosmic power thats on the upper tier. That still isnt as impressive as manipulating a reality down to its component parts, in the palm of your hand

What you dont seem to be understanding is that all of those abstracts were just aspects of the universe. Sum up all of the power within a reality and all of their power would be accounted for. They are abstracts they are OF the universe they embody its concepts.

No matter how many times Thanos beat down those abstracts its still far from as impressive as Phoenix cutting away at the substance of time itself (previously unseen or unheard of in Marvel) and putting the universe on its death bed.

On top of that Phoenix manipulated that entire reality at the atomic level. Those abstracts are just little parts of that little universe Phoenix held and manipulated right down to its component matter. That conclusively puts the White Phoenix above ANY force or being that is OF that reality.

You keep waffling on about Phoenix being in the WHR when she did this and not being able to have done it from in reality. Ummmm sorry to break this to you my friend but to hold all of reality within the palm of your hand you have to be outside of reality. 😕

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Atleza wasnt juggling universes. Atleza is the reality anchor of 616 alone. To be able to support Eternity like that shows shes a great cosmic power thats on the upper tier. That still isnt as impressive as manipulating a reality down to its component parts, in the palm of your hand

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
What you dont seem to be understanding is that all of those abstracts were just aspects of the universe. Sum up all of the power within a reality and all of their power would be accounted for. They are abstracts they are OF the universe they embody its concepts.

Eternity isn't an aspect though.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
No matter how many times Thanos beat down those abstracts its still far from as impressive as Phoenix cutting away at the substance of time itself (previously unseen or unheard of in Marvel) and putting the universe on its death bed.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
On top of that Phoenix manipulated that entire reality at the atomic level. Those abstracts are just little parts of that little universe Phoenix held and manipulated right down to its component matter. That conclusively puts the White Phoenix above ANY force or being that is OF that reality.

Phoenix manipulated one thing in the universe. ONE THING. Do you think she could have affected the whole universe?
SHe manipulated Scotts and Emmas future. What would lead me to believe that she could affect the whole universe's time?
She said it wasn't easy to do that one thing to the universe, I still don't get why this is such an awsome feat, worthy of her being called above all abstracts.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
You keep waffling on about Phoenix being in the WHR when she did this and not being able to have done it from in reality. Ummmm sorry to break this to you my friend but to hold all of reality within the palm of your hand you have to be outside of reality. 😕

Originally posted by bigbran
Atleza is in control of supporting universes.
I seem to recall her juggling a couple universes in her hands, which would be better than holding a single universe in her hands.

That's odd, because Eternity isn't an aspect of the universe. If you go inside Eternity, you go inside the universe.
Writers often contridict other comics. A universe used to be Eternity, now a days a universe is displayed as a ball, or something small.

Eternity isn't an aspect though.

Thanos turned into fugging Eternity!! He could have killed him. He would have ended the universe.
He could have destroyed all time and space.
What does this have to do with fighting feats anyway?
You have no fighting feats, so basically you use the one feat of her doing something.

No it doesn't.
Does this mean that Atleza is just going to be able to juggle Eternity if they ever fought? Does this mean that anyone that has ever done something to a universe is above all abstracts?
She did nothing to the abstracts themselves.
The only thing I believe that has ever really held a fighting universe in their hand was an Infinate.
Phoenix held a universe, that she was basically only able to do because of her location, in both hands.
An Infinate grabbed Eternity (a fighting Eternity, that even grew in size) with one hand. He could have crushed him, ending all that was 616.

Phoenix manipulated one thing in the universe. ONE THING. Do you think she could have affected the whole universe?
SHe manipulated Scotts and Emmas future. What would lead me to believe that she could affect the whole universe's time?
She said it wasn't easy to do that one thing to the universe, I still don't get why this is such an awsome feat, worthy of her being called above all abstracts.

That brings me to my next point. Wouldn't all universes be that size in the WHR? So wouldn't say Strange be the same size as Phoenix was to those said "universes"?
I know all of the Phoenix avatars were that size, and I know a couple people have punked avatars and such.
So would this mean that anyone in the WHR would be able to grab a universe like Phoenix did?

Finally, YES, BigBran tell it like it is.

Anyone who reads this should see the light, and you didn't even use one Scan.

Very impressive.

Originally posted by Mr Master
Finally, YES, BigBran tell it like it is.

Anyone who reads this should see the light, and you didn't even use one Scan.

Very impressive.

Originally posted by bigbran
Scans are for rich people... 😛

scarletwitch2=victory

Originally posted by Galan777

scarletwitch2=victory

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Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Everything youre reading in 616 comics today is the fruition of Jeans work.

😆 😆 😆

Have you ever read some other comics??? Please....Overrating way over Wolverine's.
Seriously do you even believe your own words??

By the way...

Hi to the GS fanclub memebers : Mr. Master, Galan777 and bigbran

My sig=Truth. 😄

Originally posted by bigbran
Atleza is in control of supporting universes.
I seem to recall her juggling a couple universes in her hands, which would be better than holding a single universe in her hands.

Then i think you need to take a look back at Infinity Abyss. She is the anchor for the 616 universe.

Originally posted by bigbran
That's odd, because Eternity isn't an aspect of the universe. If you go inside Eternity, you go inside the universe.
Writers often contridict other comics. A universe used to be Eternity, now a days a universe is displayed as a ball, or something small.

Eternity isn't an aspect though.

Eternity the black humanoid figure is the MBody of the sentience of the universe. That MBody is not the universe in its totality, it is a representation of the universe. Destroying that Mbody will not destroy the universe because while its connected to the universe, while it represents the universes sentience, it is NOT the actual universe.

The Eternity humanoid figure is an aspect of the universe (BEFORE you open your mouth look at the definition of the word)

Originally posted by bigbran
Thanos turned into fugging Eternity!! He could have killed him. He would have ended the universe.
He could have destroyed all time and space.
What does this have to do with fighting feats anyway?
You have no fighting feats, so basically you use the one feat of her doing something.

Destroying the universe is something many a cosmic being is capable of achieving. All Thanos did was lord it over a few abstracts within reality.

What you dont seem to understand is that all of the abstracts are OF the universe. Their powers derive from the universes. Sum up all the power contained within 616 and their powers would be part of that sum.

Phoenix broke down the universe to its component parts. She materialized it within the white hot room. That includes the stars, the planets, the ambient energies, everything of 616. To be able to manipulate all that is 616 like that she must wield greater energies than that which is contained within 616.

How irrelevant are fighting feats when Phoenix has demonstrated how far greater her power is than anything within the universes.

Its like something casually breaking down the earth to its component atoms and materializing it and everything within intact to another location and then arguing that that powers not as great as a being who has beat all the heroes of earth and taken over the planet 🤨

Originally posted by bigbran
No it doesn't.
Does this mean that Atleza is just going to be able to juggle Eternity if they ever fought? Does this mean that anyone that has ever done something to a universe is above all abstracts?
She did nothing to the abstracts themselves.
The only thing I believe that has ever really held a fighting universe in their hand was an Infinate.
Phoenix held a universe, that she was basically only able to do because of her location, in both hands.
An Infinate grabbed Eternity (a fighting Eternity, that even grew in size) with one hand. He could have crushed him, ending all that was 616.

Phoenix didnt need to do anything to the abstracts themselves. She is one with the power that sparked off the reality that they all stem from and derive their power from anyway.

Phoenix went above their heads and manipulated EVERYTHING that is 616, she controlled all of it down to its component parts. That would mean every being every star, galaxy, all the energy contained within it. So despite that power display you would argue that because she didnt go in said reality and fight these little abstracts that shes not greater than them?

An Infinite grabbing the universes MBody is no big deal. That MBody isnt the universes and all its power in one form. Its a representation of the universes sentience. Thats all. The universes, but not in its totality.

Originally posted by bigbran
Phoenix manipulated one thing in the universe. ONE THING. Do you think she could have affected the whole universe?
SHe manipulated Scotts and Emmas future. What would lead me to believe that she could affect the whole universe's time?
She said it wasn't easy to do that one thing to the universe, I still don't get why this is such an awsome feat, worthy of her being called above all abstracts.

One thing? Phoenix amputated the universes future. She cut away at the very substance of time iteslf. NOTHING has been shown to be able to do that.

On top of that she materialized the universes within the whr demonstrating control of it and all its matter down to the atomic. Jean never said it wasnt easy doing that, the Consciousness warned Jean that doing that is not as easy as it looks. Thats different to it saying to Jean, you will find this hard to do or Jean saying the same thing. Jean went on and performed the feat with no discernible effort. Your point is REDUNDANT.

She THEN went on to alter the past. That wasnt the sole thing she did.

Originally posted by bigbran
That brings me to my next point. Wouldn't all universes be that size in the WHR? So wouldn't say Strange be the same size as Phoenix was to those said "universes"?
I know all of the Phoenix avatars were that size, and I know a couple people have punked avatars and such.
So would this mean that anyone in the WHR would be able to grab a universe like Phoenix did?

Jean didnt just go into the WHR and grab a universes with her hand 😂

Jean materialized the universe from outside to within the WHR, the core of creation. With that in mind your uninformed speculation above is laid to rest. 👇

ohh nooo..you know what that means right? the "useless scan" recylcer guy is gonna come thru and poke holes in it.....with you know....a ton of useless scans😄

Originally posted by manjaro
ohh nooo..you know what that means right? the "useless scan" recylcer guy is gonna come thru and poke holes in it.....with you know....a ton of useless scans

Dude, your just harboring anomosity because I spanked you good and handled you like a child.

Be a man, and state my name when your attempting to say something of significance discreetly addressed to me.

On the reals, your a joke, and you follow that phony blindly into ignoranceville.

"useless scans"

But your USELESS all together.

Begone my child.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Eternity the black humanoid figure is the MBody of the sentience of the universe. That MBody is not the universe in its totality, it is a representation of the universe. Destroying that Mbody will not destroy the universe because while its connected to the universe, while it represents the universes sentience, it is NOT the actual universe.

The Eternity humanoid figure is an aspect of the universe (BEFORE you open your mouth look at the definition of the word)

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Pino brings into a debate an issue that contains the GREATEST PIS in Cosmological History.

That shouldn't even be CANON for these reasons:

PLEASE READ CAREFULLY, before any of you confuse yourselves with these Scans.

"My short answer to this issue is that it is illogical, poorly written nonsense that one should ignore, It contradicts far too much of what is known and accepted about the characters to be taken seriously. But since this defense is open to the retort that perhaps everything else is wrong and these issues are right, let us instead look at the claims and implications of what is said. Let us examine what one would have to accept if one took everything in these two issues on face value.

First of all, Protege claims not just to be the new Living Tribunal, but the new One Above All (GOTG 49, last page); that is, Protege is God.

If he were indeed now God, what are we to make of Celestial's restraining him by throwing an energy blanket over his head? Can a Celestial muzzle God? And how does the energy blanket restrain this new OAA? By allowing him "to see nothing of what transpires." Yes, that's right, the new supreme being of the multiverse is taken down by not being able to see the ends of his feet.

But wait, we don't have to commit to such nonsense, because we are told that the LT was clandestinely drawing on the Amulet of Aggamotto (not the Eye, not the Orb, but the Amulet) in order to restrain Protege. In conclusion, therefore: Protege becomes TOAA, but is restrained by a Celestial energy hood that cuts off his sight and an amulet enhanced Living Tribunal.

To preserve my sanity I ignore the whole mess. If pressed to give an explanation I would say this: there is a history of mortal beings taking on vast powers and erroneously believing they are omnipotent(Doom in Secret Wars 1, Beyonder in Secret Wars 3, Warlock and Thanos in Infinity Gauntlet).

Perhaps Protege believes he is omnipotent, but because he cannot even sense what is happening after having a hood thrown over his head, clearly his Cosmic Awareness is still paltry if not non-existent. Clearly he has not absorbed the powers of the LT, perhaps he has absorbed an iota of an iota. Therefore, in conclusion, we are not seeing a Celestial restraining someone who is more powerful than the LT, let alone TOAA"

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Then i think you need to take a look back at Infinity Abyss. She is the anchor for the 616 universe.

Atleza Anchors the Multi-verse that harbors the 616 Universe.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Eternity the black humanoid figure is the MBody of the sentience of the universe. That MBody is not the universe in its totality, it is a representation of the universe. Destroying that Mbody will not destroy the universe because while its connected to the universe, while it represents the universes sentience, it is NOT the actual universe.

A bunch of gibberish you got from an issue FULL of PIS.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
The Eternity humanoid figure is an aspect of the universe (BEFORE you open your mouth look at the definition of the word)

And you should LOOK and READ COMICS!!!

Eterntiy is the Universe, an Aspect of Multi-Eternity

The UNIVERSE materializing into ETERNITY before Galactus

Gamora Enters ETERNITY and ends up INSIDE the UNIVERSE

The UNIVERSE materializing Into ETERNITY before Strange

Everything is Eternity, those who are there around Dr Strange, see Reality as Eternity

Nice try PINO...

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Destroying the universe is something many a cosmic being is capable of achieving. All Thanos did was lord it over a few abstracts within reality.

Interesting...

I recall Thanos BECOMING the UNIVERSE by REPLACING ETERNITY:

When Thanos with the IG became the Universe, it was ETERNITY'S place he took.

YES, I remembered correctly.

Your behind must be stinging right about now Pino....

The rest of your post is absolute gibberish.

And now I'm beginning to believe that N-Men #154 isn't even Canon, or SHOULD'T be.

No other COSMIC appears, Eternity and Infinity are incognito, the Living Tribunal is... 😕

Infact, NO OTHER being in the existence of Marvel appears except for the same old X-Men, oh, and ofcourse what else but Phoenix Avatars, HAHAHAHA!!!

Yet you expect us to believe Phoenix was affecting the 616 Universe.

Where in that issue is 616 even mentioned?

Where in that issue does it say that Phoenix put 616 in it's death bed?

Where in that issue does it say that Phoenix casually amputated 616's Timeline?

When has Phoenix EVER destroyed, remade or created even ONE Universe On Panel?

In HOM,

we literally SEE the TERM, 616 REALITY, WANDA REMAKING the 616 REALITY!

"She's starting to REMAKE Reality 616... again" (more than once she did it)

"You might not even exist anymore in whatever New Reality takes its place"

"Who knows how she'll change Everything this time"

But you'll be the first to dismiss that.

aww man..internet tuff guys😄 you gotta love em..you spanked me?🤨...dude please..you did nothing but post scans that either have nothing to do with the debate or you recycled them to continue a beaten down point...like for example when you put up the "flashing lights" scans from the end of EACH HOM crossover to make it look like it was something that Wanda did..as you put it...."over and over and over and over" when it was just twice altogther she did that..then i say the Mkraan crystal is the nexus of the universe and you're all like *school-girly whining now* "nooo its not, cuz Jim Starlin said so: cuz he's me favorite and only he can write about cosmic adventures"

and those very same scans with beak. you still refuse to acknolwedge that it was after the exiles had gone to HOM-616, and realize that the world was changed...as it was with all thier previous missions there was still a disaster for them to avert, and so they did and came back to the crystal palace...then when it was time for beak to go back home..meanwhile they were charging up the teleportation thingy to send him home the person at the controls were telling him that the scanners showed that she was starting to remake 616...that was just after she said "no more mutants" then boom he got back just in time for the wave to take away his powers...but noooo you're trying to manipulate scans to present it like it was something she did a half million times😄 yep....you sure spanked me alright 😆

Originally posted by manjaro
aww man..internet tuff guys😄 you gotta love em..you spanked me?🤨...dude please..you did nothing but post scans that either have nothing to do with the debate or you recycled them to continue a beaten down point...like for example when you put up the "flashing lights" scans from the end of [B]EACH HOM crossover to make it look like it was something that Wanda did..as you put it...."over and over and over and over" when it was just twice altogther she did that..then i say the Mkraan crystal is the nexus of theome..meanwhile they were charging up the teleportation thingy to send him home the person at the controls were telling him that the scanners showed that she was starting to remake 616...that was just after she said "no more mutants" then boom he got back just in time for the wave to take away his powe [/B]

stfu2

Bump, with GS been back, want to kick this off again.

Originally posted by manjaro
aww man..internet tuff guys😄 you gotta love em..you spanked me?🤨...dude please..you did nothing but post scans that either have nothing to do with the debate or you recycled them to continue a beaten down point...like for example when you put up the "flashing lights" scans from the end of [B]EACH HOM crossover to make it look like it was something that Wanda did..as you put it...."over and over and over and over" when it was just twice altogther she did that..then i say the Mkraan crystal is the nexus of the universe and you're all like *school-girly whining now* "nooo its not, cuz Jim Starlin said so: cuz he's me favorite and only he can write about cosmic adventures"

and those very same scans with beak. you still refuse to acknolwedge that it was after the exiles had gone to HOM-616, and realize that the world was changed...as it was with all thier previous missions there was still a disaster for them to avert, and so they did and came back to the crystal palace...then when it was time for beak to go back home..meanwhile they were charging up the teleportation thingy to send him home the person at the controls were telling him that the scanners showed that she was starting to remake 616...that was just after she said "no more mutants" then boom he got back just in time for the wave to take away his powers...but noooo you're trying to manipulate scans to present it like it was something she did a half million times😄 yep....you sure spanked me alright 😆 [/B]

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Originally posted by Mr Master
stfu2

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