Originally posted by Galan007
'Ol Drac made himself worthy... Not sure how, but he did.
What issue is that? I wanna peep it.
Also, I don't think it necessarily makes one Cosmic,
King Arthur was worthy, but I can assure you from the issues I have with him,
he was no where near warping the Earth, let alone the Cosmos.
The Sword may have received an upgrade along the lines or,
certain specifics must be in order for it to function on a Cosmi level.
This is actually interesting and I will investigate this.
Originally posted by Galan007
Sadly,
Just like Cap. Britain, he has like no feats with it.
True, but we had Roma herself declaring its power in truely worthy hands.
Several Captain Britains from alternate Realities also,
and Mastermind also attested to its might.
Was the Sword's potential alluded to in that Drac issue?
Originally posted by Mr MasterIIRC,
What issue is that? I wanna peep it.Also, I don't think it necessarily makes one Cosmic,
King Arthur was worthy, but I can assure you from the issues I have with him,
he was no where near warping the Earth, let alone the Cosmos.The Sword may have received an upgrade along the lines or,
certain specifics must be in order for it to function on a Cosmi level.This is actually interesting and I will investigate this.
True, but we had Roma herself declaring its power in truely worthy hands.
Several Captain Britains from alternate Realities also,
and Mastermind also attested to its might.Was the Sword's potential alluded to in that Drac issue?
It's been years since I read that story, so I may be a little off, but that's the 'jist' of what went down -- And I wasn't comparing Drac /w/ Excalibur to Captain Britain /w/ Excalibur at all... Simply because Drac's potential was never noted. His only objective was to use it to destroy Arthur/Camelot.
I only brought it up because Merlyn had asked if anyone else has held Excalibur on panel -- Drac was the only one I knew of.
Originally posted by Galan007
IIRC,
Drac stole Excalibur from King Arthur, and made himself worthy enough to wield it by using another character's soul in his place.. So basically, Excalibur would recognize that spirit/soul, and not Drac's...
Cool.
Originally posted by Galan007
It's been years since I read that story, so I may be a little off, but that's the 'jist' of what went down --
Cool, but what issue is it? (I still wanna peep it, it seems nice)
Originally posted by Galan007
And I wasn't comparing Drac /w/ Excalibur to Captain Britain /w/ Excalibur at all... Simply because Drac's potential was never noted. His only objective was to use it to destroy Arthur/Camelot.
Cool, but I was just noting that Excalibur doesn't necessarily need to be Cosmic,
even in worthy hands.
That's why I reminded you of Arthur himself,
who was as worthy as they come, but could not Warp Time/Space or the world.
Originally posted by Galan007
I only brought it up because Merlyn had asked if anyone else has held Excalibur on panel -- Drac was the only one I knew of.
That's cool G.
I think Merlyn is interested in knowing if anyone has wileded it,
while it's been upgraded into a Cosmic weapon.
Hey don't get me wrong, I would love to see the Sword in action too at those levels,
regardless of who's wielding it. 🙂
Originally posted by Mr Master👆
Cool.Cool, but what issue is it? (I still wanna peep it, it seems nice)
Cool, but I was just noting that Excalibur doesn't necessarily need to be Cosmic,
even in worthy hands.That's why I reminded you of Arthur himself,
who was as worthy as they come, but could not Warp Time/Space or the world.That's cool G.
I think Merlyn is interested in knowing if anyone has wileded it,
while it's been upgraded into a Cosmic weapon.Hey don't get me wrong, I would love to see the Sword in action too at those levels,
regardless of who's wielding it. 🙂
And I'll get back to you on those issue numbers -- It's been so long since I read them, I can't remember right off hand. 😮
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Anyhow,
Here's Roma on the actions of JJ and his 'Pet-Furys', [she and Saturnyne speak of Omniversal ramifications]:
Originally posted by Galan007
And I'll get back to you on those issue numbers -- It's been so long since I read them, I can't remember right off hand.
Cool brother.
Originally posted by Galan007
Anyhow,
Here's Roma on the actions of JJ and his 'Pet-Furys', [she and Saturnyne speak of Omniversal ramifications]:
Sweet.
Respect Genis!
Zemo (using the nearly all powerful Moonstones)
Opens rifts into every Timeline connected to 616 and shows us how Photon (Genis)
will destroy All of them in one shot in the Future:
"I am sorry Genis-Vell ...
but you have become a threat to the very Fabric of The Universe"
..............................................................................
Genis erases 616 utterly: (which of course means he ends up erasing all of Marvel)
"Look at what happens in every single potential Timeline"
.............................................................................
Ouch.
Originally posted by Mr MasterNice! What comic are those from?
Respect Genis!Zemo (using the nearly all powerful Moonstones)
Opens rifts into every Timeline connected to 616 and shows us how Photon (Genis)
will destroy All of them in one shot in the Future:"I am sorry Genis-Vell ...
but you have become a threat to the very Fabric of The Universe"
..............................................................................Genis erases 616 utterly: (which of course means he ends up erasing all of Marvel)
"Look at what happens in every single potential Timeline"
.............................................................................Ouch.
and concerning my excalibur question, i was just wondering who's held it in general. The scale in which they were able to use it wasn't really my question.
but thanks for the help guys! 👆
Originally posted by Merlyn
Nice! What comic are those from?
Thunderbolts #100
Genis gets killed in that issue, by Zemo (wielding the Moonstones) & Blackout.
Zemo pulls an incredible one second move,
that has to be seen to be appreciated.
Originally posted by Merlyn
and concerning my excalibur question, i was just wondering who's held it in general. The scale in which they were able to use it wasn't really my question.but thanks for the help guys!
Cool.
I'm actually interested in seeing it go all out.
I really hope it pops up in this new Jaspers arc.
Something big has to come into the picture, to deal with uber Jaspers.
Originally posted by Galan007
Was it 616 Eternity's place Dormammu/Umar usurped during the "Defenders" arc?Or was that a divergent Universe?
616. (Eternity's personal bio only has references to 616 Eternity)
(2006)
(the Dormammu/Umar incident is one of those references)
Dormammu sunk into Eternity's essence, (within the D of M)
and ended up withIN the 616 Reality.
There he dove into Eternity's core, where the power of the Multiverse was.
Dormammu only remade 616 though.
.....................................................................................
Also, in the end,
Umar retained the power she had taken from Eternity.
On Panel she had it all, the bio says "she claimed some"
Who knows, I haven't seen Umar since.
Originally posted by Mr MasterYeah,
Also, in the end,Umar retained the power she had taken from Eternity.
On Panel she had it all, the bio says "she claimed some"Who knows, I haven't seen Umar since.
Weird. ermm
Originally posted by Mr MasterI somewhat disagree here Mr M..
Genis erases 616 utterly: (which of course means he ends up erasing all of Marvel)
From what I gathered,
Time was stopped around Genis at that exact point -- This in turn, saved 616 from being completely destroyed.
No doubt Genis would have erased 616 had time not been stopped -- Just didn't seem that it came to fruition.
Originally posted by Galan007
I somewhat disagree here Mr M..From what I gathered,
Time was stopped around Genis at that exact point -- This in turn, saved 616 from being completely destroyed.No doubt Genis would have erased 616 had time not been stopped -- Just didn't seem that it came to fruition.
Originally posted by Mr MasterZemo (using the nearly all powerful Moonstones)
Opens rifts into every Timeline connected to 616 and shows us how Photon
(Genis)
will destroy All of them in one shot in the Future
And time wasn't stopped there G,
Zemo just opened Rifts (windows if you will) into the Future,
which depicted Genis erasing the entire 616 Reality and all it's connected Timelines.
................................................................................
Genis' time to erase 616 was not at hand yet in that scene.
Zemo did freeze Genis in one second in time pages later,
when they were battlling.
This wasn't going to stop Genis, but Zemo acted quickly within that second of time.
In that same second Zemo used Blackout to disperse Genis' physical being into
different pocket realities within the Darkforce dimension.
This eliminated the Future threat Genis posed.
Here's the entire sequence page by page:
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See in this next page, Genis is still free,
but he begins asking for a chance to try and change what will inevitably happen.
(Him erasing 616 utterly)
Zemo instead attacks Genis while he's taken his guard down (below)
..........................................................................................
Zemo knows this Future can't be changed,
unless Genis is eradicated:
"Trapping you in a single moment of Time, it will not hold you for long,
but it will hold you long enough"
..........................................................................................
Zemo was no joke with those Moonstones:
..........................................................................................
Genis could've defeated Zemo,
but since only Zemo could've done what had to be done,
we later learn Genis allowed this to happen, though he didn't really want to.
Originally posted by Mr MasterHell, I didn't even know that heppened recently. 😕
616. (Eternity's personal bio only has references to 616 Eternity)(2006)
(the Dormammu/Umar incident is one of those references)Dormammu sunk into Eternity's essence, (within the D of M)
and ended up withIN the 616 Reality.There he dove into Eternity's core, where the power of the Multiverse was.
Dormammu only remade 616 though.
.....................................................................................Also, in the end,
Umar retained the power she had taken from Eternity.
On Panel she had it all, the bio says "she claimed some"Who knows, I haven't seen Umar since.
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