Originally posted by Nikkolas
So, Mr. Master, why is the HOTU above PR Beyonder? If it's been addressed before, sorry.
The Heart of the Infinite is the power of TOAA, (but it's range of influence is subject to TOAA's set parameters)
eg. Thanos was the most powerful being in the Omniverse, but only within his Sphere of Reality.
Originally posted by Nikkolas
Except TOAA doesn't govern the omniverse. He's the supreme being in Marvel.
TOAA is the most powerful entity in the Marvel Omniverse. (oh, and God/the artist)
Originally posted by Nikkolas
Thanos was, at best, wielding some power of the being who was the omnipoten tof Marvel. And even tehn, he was manipulated towards an end.
Thanos was wielding the power of the TOAA,
the purpose?
To recreate the dying Multiverse.
Originally posted by Nikkolas
Beyonder was millions of times more powerful than the multiverse, right?
Yes.
But TOAA has expanded the Multiverse into an Omniverse.
Omniverse = an Infinite number of Multiverses. (more than millions)
Well, this is a topic on Thanos w/the Heart on another forum.
http://forums.narutofan.com/showthread.php?t=116113&highlight=Thanos+Godhood
I guess they could all be wrong but I have no clue. It's just where I got my info and it seemed like he only had power on a universal scale. Which would mean he didn't even have a very large amount of TOAA'S power. And it's quite funny because what is a portion of infinity?
Yes.But TOAA has expanded the Multiverse into an Omniverse.
Omniverse = an Infinite number of Multiverses. (more than millions)
So, at the time he was at that power in Secret Wars, he was the strongest being in the MU but nowadays, he's below TOAA?
Originally posted by Nikkolas
Well, this is a topic on Thanos w/the Heart on another forum.I guess they could all be wrong but I have no clue. It's just where I got my info and it seemed like he only had power on a universal scale. Which would mean he didn't even have a very large amount of TOAA'S power. And it's quite funny because what is a portion of infinity?
The mistake that person made was they based the foundation their argument on Thanos calling it "the Heart of the Universe"
but actually,
TOAA's Power was called the "HEART of the INFINITE" by the Celestial Order
It was Thanos that nicknamed it "the Heart of the Universe"
Originally posted by Nikkolas
So, at the time he was at that power in Secret Wars, he was the strongest being in the MU but nowadays, he's below TOAA?
That's basically my take on it.
Galactus reaching Full Power (He never made it to FP though)
"If Galactus isn't stopped now, the ENTIRE UNIVERSE will PERISH"
"the Fantastic Four are trying to stop Galactus from DESTROYING the UNIVERSE"
The Dreaming or (Black Celestial) was using GALACTUS to DESTROY ALL of Reality, to then CREATE a NEW ONE.
His (Galactus) appetite increased Geometrically, he would consume not only Planets, but the ENTIRE UNIVERSE"
Galactus's Power can obliterate the ENTIRE race of Celestials, destroy the Universe and create a NEW one.
"and with the UNIVERSE DESTROYED, not even the Celestials will survive, the Black Celestial will become the NUCLEUS and FOUNDER of a NEW UNIVERSE"
"He will be a GOD"
"Galactus Himself is the WEAPON"
"The time will come soon when ALL the Energy in the UNIVERSE through out it's HISTORY will NOT be SUFFICIENT to feed him"
"Galactus who's busy wolfin' (eating) down ALL of TIME and SPACE"
"Still the Giant doth continue to GROW"
"Eventually, Thor, He would SPAN the ENTIRE UNIVERSE"
So not only will he absorb the Universe but he will become as big as one.
After reading a lot of your stuff, you definitely seem to...well...know your stuff. 🙂 I just have to say that it's odd people consider the PR Beyonder absurdly powerful when things like the HOTU and the Chaos Wave are so recent.... I consider them, especially the Chaos Wave, far more ridiculous. At least Beyonder having all that power made sense given his origin. Wanda threatening the omniverse with her Chaos Magic....dumb.
In my opinion... I won't stand a chance in an argument on much of anything with you. I just don't get the animosity to PR Beyonder's might when Wanda had the Chaos Wave.
Originally posted by Nikkolas
After reading a lot of your stuff, you definitely seem to...well...know your stuff. 🙂
😄
Originally posted by Nikkolas
I just have to say that it's odd people consider the PR Beyonder absurdly powerful when things like the HOTU and the Chaos Wave are so recent.... I consider them, especially the Chaos Wave, far more ridiculous. At least Beyonder having all that power made sense given his origin. Wanda threatening the omniverse with her Chaos Magic....dumb.I just don't get the animosity to PR Beyonder's might when Wanda had the Chaos Wave.
I agree.
Well, this is just a question on my part.
Omniverse = Infinite number of multiverses, right?
Multiverse = infinite number of universes, right?
So, why you place the HOTU so high on the list is because Thanos absorbed an "infinite multiverse". But I don't see that is possible. An infinite number of multiverses may in fact exist but how can they all be infinite? Doesn't being infinite mean there is no end? For there to be multiple multiverses, each infinite, one must end for another to begin.
So, Beyonder, with millions of times the power of a multiverse, should be beyond the HOTU... Because having an infinite number of infinite multiverses doesn't make sense to me.
I could be wrong but it's just what I'm thinking.
Originally posted by Nikkolas
Omniverse = Infinite number of multiverses, right?
Multiverse = infinite number of universes, right?
Correct.
Originally posted by Nikkolas
So, why you place the HOTU so high on the list is because Thanos absorbed an "infinite multiverse". But I don't see that is possible. An infinite number of multiverses may in fact exist but how can they all be infinite? Doesn't being infinite mean there is no end? For there to be multiple multiverses, each infinite, one must end for another to begin.So, Beyonder, with millions of times the power of a multiverse, should be beyond the HOTU... Because having an infinite number of infinite multiverses doesn't make sense to me.
I actually put the HOTI above because it absorbed LT, Eternity/Infinity and all the surrounding Reality in Thanos's Sphere, it was strongly suggested to be the power of the "Almighty" (TOAA/God)
On the Infinity dilemma,
"Thus are demonstrated TWO LEVELS of Infinity, there are of course, an INFINITE number MORE"
Dr Strange and the concept of Infinity
"the very Concept of Infinity is relative, Numbers are Infinite, so are odd Numbers, yet by definition, there are Twice as many Numbers as there are odd Numberse
"One "Infinity" is included within a larger "Infinity"
As you can see, in Marvel there are different levels of Infinity, while a Universe or Multiverse may seem "Infinite" ... it is trully not.
Like you said, that would create a senseless paradox.
