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Originally posted by King Kandy
So where's Rex on the Hierarchy?

Well since the issue is 100% Canon, to 616 no less,

http://www.marvunapp.com/Appendix/edificer.htm

I will accept Rex as a legitimate uber Cosmic.

Now,

since Rex could've Reversed all of Creation (the Omniverse I'm assuming)

back to the the Cosmic Egg, this puts him on par with the likes of,

FP Cosmic Containment Unit

Havok

Merlyn

IG

I still consider the BeyonderS above them all,

and of course the LT who is above the BeyonderS.

Originally posted by King Kandy
Also, this seems to blow your "Oblivion existed before creation" theory.

I think I understand why Oblivion was afraid of all existence being returned to the Cosmic Egg.

Oblivion is the Concept of nothingness, but in order for that Concept to be realized, some form of "something" ... "anything" ... must exist, in order for "nothingness" to be applicable.

So while Oblivion may encompass said Concept, without some form of Reality in the Omniverse, even that of just gases, or sub-atomic particles let's say with no sentience,

Oblivion as a conscious Abstract is meaningless and downright obselete.

Remember a Concept is an abstract idea,

it's the "Idea" that gives it significance and then Sentience.

An Idea that comes from somewhere other than the Concept itself.

Oblivion may have been the first Concept, "in the beginning, there was Nothing"

but before the Cosmic Egg exploded, Oblivion might've existed,

but without Sentience.

Originally posted by Utrigita
That comic must have been the worst I have ever seen

Wait till I post Squirrel Girl knocking out the Real Thanos like nothing. 😂

Originally posted by Endless Mike
Obviously it didn't take itself seriously, so you shouldn't either.

It's serious enough to be recognized by an Officially sponsored Marvel site,

and Marvel.com itself. Canon on the 616 tip.

Actually it's more Canon than any What if or any Alternate Reality story.

But the thing is, there IS existance... It's a cosmic egg. It's really really small and compact, but it's there. And Oblivion should be outside and contrasted to it.

Originally posted by King Kandy
But the thing is, there IS existance... It's a cosmic egg. It's really really small and compact, but it's there.

Everything that's in the Omniverse today, was once contained within the "Cosmic Egg"

If creation were to return to the Egg, there would be no Universe of any kind:

This is why Rex says,

"What I intend to do is bring the entire Universe as you know it ... to an End"

Originally posted by King Kandy
And Oblivion should be outside and contrasted to it.

Oblivion is the embodiment of Nothingness in a Void or empty Space.

Outside the Egg there wasn't even a Void,

there was literally nothing outside the Egg, as in no Space of any kind.

But like I said,

without the idea of "Nothingness" to give Oblivion's Concept form, he simply can't be.

There was no one and nothing outside the Egg that could do that.

It looked like he was just going to do this to the 616 universe. None of the cosmics seen there were multiversal guys. Where do you get omniverse from?

And what I meant by not taking itself seriously was that it was a joke story, drawn and written in a humorous manner.

Originally posted by Endless Mike
It looked like he was just going to do this to the 616 universe. None of the cosmics seen there were multiversal guys. Where do you get omniverse from?

If the Universe was going to return to the Cosmic Egg, then that means it was the Marvel Universe.

The Cosmic Egg is like the "embryo" of the first Universe.

Originally posted by Endless Mike
And what I meant by not taking itself seriously was that it was a joke story, drawn and written in a humorous manner.

My bad,

I was just clarifying that it was canon, but you're right,

in that side of Marvel, things are silly.

Galan made this observation before, and it's true for the most part,

I guess that's why they kept Rex dumb like a stump.

Originally posted by Mr Master
If the Universe was going to return to the Cosmic Egg, then that means it was the Marvel Universe.

The Cosmic Egg is like the "embryo" of the first Universe.

My bad,

I was just clarifying that it was canon, but you're right,

in that side of Marvel, things are silly.

Galan made this observation before, and it's true for the most part,

I guess that's why they kept Rex dumb like a stump.

Spoiler:
but I was wrong...

So, Mr. M, I got a question for you.

Sire Hate and Mistress Love are kinda ranked low in the abstract scale.

But do not the higher abstracts like Eternity and Death "love"? Thus meaning they are in fact in the power of that pair?

Originally posted by Galan007
What's funny is when I first heard about Edifice Rex and investigated his character, I expected him to be serious for the most part, [because there's an old play of the same name].

but I was wrong...

Yea that's pretty much how I felt about Elseworld's World's Funniest.

I also mentioned it reminded me of EWF.

DC and Marvel can come up with some outlandish silliness sometimes. 😂

Originally posted by Mr Master
Yea that's pretty much how I felt about Elseworld's World's Funniest.

I also mentioned it reminded me of EWF.

DC and Marvel can come up with some outlandish silliness sometimes. 😂

Mr. M, how high is Eternity in your Hierarchy

Originally posted by Nikkolas
So, Mr. M, I got a question for you.

Sire Hate and Mistress Love are kinda ranked low in the abstract scale.

But do not the higher abstracts like Eternity and Death "love"? Thus meaning they are in fact in the power of that pair?

All the Abstract Concepts are below Eternity/Infinity & Oblivion/Death

Here are Lord Chaos and Master Order, Two Prime Concepts

voicing Eternity/Infinity's superiority over them:

There are Two other Abstracts that are beyond all of the above,

because of the Concepts they represent.

Abraxas, the embodiment of Destruction,

who's purpose as a Concept is to collapse the Multiverse, and end it for good.

Entropy, the embodiment of randomness through destruction is a bit more complicated.

Entropy's occupation is classified as the "Undoer" (as Eternity does, he undoes)

in any case we learned that Entropy is actually the Multiversal Big Bang itself.

The recycler per se, and his purpose is to fold the Multiverse back into uncertainty/randomness/disorder/chaos which = to a collapsed Reality.

But then his purpose furthers,

Entropy must Re-Create a New fresh Multiverse, identical to the one before,

another Eternity/Multiverse ... and that's that.

Originally posted by guy222
Mr. M, how high is Eternity in your Hierarchy

Eternity is the Multiverse, anyone who can't destroy a Multiverse is below him.

Now Aspects of Eternity are single UniverseS.

So anyone that can't destroy a Universe, is below an Aspect of Eternity.

btw. The 616 Aspect is the Prime Reality of the Marvel Omniverse.

Entropy is not Random. He generates a state of "Inert Uniformity", the exact opposite of randomness.

Originally posted by King Kandy
Entropy is not Random. He generates a state of "Inert Uniformity",

the exact opposite of randomness.

You're both right and wrong.

Entropy, when exercising his duties as a Concept "generates a state of inert Uniformity" by reversing Reality to it's creation point, basically "nothingness."

But Entropy Himself, embodies disorder/randomness:

ENTROPY says,

"It is the Fundamental CONSTANT ... and from it FLOWS,

all the Fundamental CHAOS and DISORDER that you find so appalling"

Captain Marvel asks,

"And WHY, is it a Universal Constant?"

ENTROPY replies,

"Because my Father Rejected me"

Captain Marvel asks,

"And WHO might that be"

Entropy tells CM his FATHER is Eternity:

Captain Marvel asks, "and YOU would be"

Now again:

ENTROPY replies,

"Entropy, the things that FALL APART. The CENTER that CANNOT HOLD" (randomness/disorder)

Entropy as a scientific concept is a little weird... It makes things more orderly by making them Chaotic.

The smaller you break things, the more homogenous they are.

Originally posted by King Kandy
Entropy as a scientific concept is a little weird... It makes things more orderly by making them Chaotic.

The smaller you break things, the more homogenous they are.

Yea,

it's interesting cause both Abraxas and Entropy are labeled Concepts of "destruction"

Only Abraxas destroys for the sake of destruction,

while Entropy destroys, in-order to re-create what he destroys anew.

What about Eon and Epoch?

Wasn't Eon created by Kronos?

Originally posted by Endless Mike
What about Eon and Epoch?

Eon had absolute Cosmic Consciousness,

after all he was the guardian of the Cosmic Axis and of Time in an indirect manner.

Epoch is Eon's offspring, shares all his powers.

In the Cosmic Hierarchy, they are lower tier Abstracts.

I should add,

all Abstracts are fundamental to the Universe, in some form or another,

but the most important Abstracts,

are Eternity & Infinity (the Foundation of a Universe)

Originally posted by Endless Mike
Wasn't Eon created by Kronos?

By Eternity/Infinity.

But I read in a Captain Marvel comic that Kronos created Eon in order to empower Captain Marvel to beat Thanos eventually.

Originally posted by Endless Mike
But I read in a Captain Marvel comic that Kronos created Eon in order to empower Captain Marvel to beat Thanos eventually.

Chronos who is now known as Kronos,

created Drax the destroyer to kill Thanos.

Originally posted by Mr Master
Chronos who is now known as Kronos,

created Drax the destroyer to kill Thanos.

Not to say he still is considered such, but I'm guessing there was a retcon.