Originally posted by UniOmni
I doubt Prime was easily above Solaris, if he was above him at all.The reason he was defeated, was due to Prime getting something he hadn't adapted to, ala the Gl ring, and putting the kabosh on him.
Thats like me saying Surfer is above Thanos cuz he beat him after getting the starbrand. (Never happened)
A power outside his own was added.
In all honestly, i would put Solaris at the galactic level threat.
If that.
He was an errant, sentient sun.
Do i think Marvel would've had a tougher time with the guy??
Not at all.
They have a proven few galaxy busters in their ranks.
Destroying the galaxy the bad sun was in = taking out the sun as a result.
And my main beef with Prime supporters, is that his feats, are something that aren't true feats.
Hourman saved Krypton, and Prime regrew it.
Was it done with the gl ring, or his own power??
Who knows?But i do know that GL Hal, iirc and Surfer both have feats of planetary evolution.
But Superman Prime does it, and he's in stargod class?
He defeats a baddie(big baddie) with a power outside his own, and he gets hype for it??
Lemme say that Surfer beat Galactus in the Unilord saga(i think).
I'll have multiple posters saying he did so with an outside power up.
Thats not a feat.
And he resurrected Lois.........with help from an Imp.
And he granted numerous beings in his dynasty with power........Wasn't enough to beat a mad sun.
I have a reason to dislike forum Superman Prime.....And they're listed above.
solaris feared prime. he needed to use k-nite to beat him, not his own power. that's like saying ss NEEDED the starbrand to beat thanos -- and it would be true.
there was no indication that prime needed the ring. that's speculation. it's equally speculatory to say prime could have crushed solaris without the ring, but fact is he DID have it and so he must be seen as a ring wielder.
looking again at some of the feats of the jla 1M, and realizing they were less than nothing to solaris (also bearing in mind the avengers and even alpha flight have taken out galactus whose powers are constantly mmisrepresented) stands solaris in powerful company. the point of the ring was it was energy that was new, and hence, solaris had not yet adapted to it. even still, he was in the process of analyzing the ring energy and it is open to debate whether he would have found a way to counter-act it its powers. what 'new' energy would g be able to use? power cosmic is simply universal energy, hardly anything new. g couldn't even defeat ego on his own. imo solaris is far more powerful than ego, whom thor and ss alone have proven able to defeat.
again, superman 1M would be more than a match for any herald 1on1 (a case could be made ss might use a weakness on him, but he wouldn't be able to necessarily 'out-power him' and without exploiting a weakness there is no way to say ss would beat him for certain) and he was less than nothing to solaris. having destroyed thousands of imp-enhanced supermen also speaks to his ability to adapt and his power. to say ss alone could do it when the whole jla 1M was meaningless to solaris is ridiculous.
ss would be utterly obliterated by the entire team of the jla 1M, let alone if he tried to take on the entire universe of heroes from the 853rd century.
while i agree that prime's abilities have been built up to unproveable levels, we can use what we saw of solaris and other characters to at least know that prime was very powerful and again, imo, certainly in g's league -- at least in the league g usually resides in. you're downplaying solaris. a sentient sun with access to the greatest tech in the 853rd century. even bats 1M could capture souls with his tech, not to mention what hourman was capable of. to say he was just a 'sentient sun' is not being fair to what his elevated status above all these other ridiculously powerful heroes, says about him.
oh, and ss did not beat g in the unilord saga. he defeated him once as the keeper, but in a rematch, g nearly destroyed the keeper pretty effortlessly.
