Originally posted by Quiero Mota
I used a slang term for a [B]RELIGION, not a race. You can't seem to understand that for some reason. [/B]
No, I'm sorry I don't know every piece of slang in a second language.
When I hear La Raza, I think of the Hispanic civil rights group, hence my interpretation of race.
Originally posted by Quiero Mota
I used a slang term for a [B]RELIGION, not a race. You can't seem to understand that for some reason. [/B]
Actually I think it is you that are failing to understand his point.
A word can be connotative or denotative - sometimes both.
Muslim is pretty much denotative - it is merely saying what it is. It defines.
Rug Kneeler is connotative. The fact it is longer then Muslim, and concentrates of an Islamic faith act rather then the religion as a whole defines that innitially. Usually such connotative names for something of this nature are synonymous with derogative thinking.
Slang can often be derogative. A slang word for a race can be percieved as racist. A slang term for a religion or gender or sexual orientation or social group or culture can be equally as discriminatory in the eyes of the people you are applying to.
You see it is definition - discrimination is not reserved to race. The term you were using in regards to Muslims might be aimed at their religion but that doesn't take away from the fact it can be misconstrued. There was no reason to say "Rug Kneeler" was there? Why not say Muslim? What logic was behind your choice to use that term?
And you do realise that a Muslim is a follower of Islam, but that many Muslims see Muslim as a race as well? Just as Jews are boths a racial group and a religious group? You might disagree but then you aren't they.
I asked if you're a Muslim, because it makes no sense to take something personal that doesn't apply to you.
A person doesn't have to be of a group or race to care. If that was so black people would still be slaves - I can see you asking the abolitionists "You aren't black, why are you taking slavery so personal."
And are you saying that if you aren't Muslim you are only allowed to potentially insult them, not defend them?
Originally posted by Nellinator
The intent is what was important. I think this is being blown out of proportion. He shouldn't have used slang. But, he did, now we should all move on.
Perhaps, just explaining why it can easily be seen as bad, and why the defense: "It is just slang about religion. why do you care" is no defense.
And technically in law ignorance is never a defense.
Originally posted by Imperial_Samura
Perhaps, just explaining why it can easily be seen as bad, and why the defense: "It is just slang about religion. why do you care" is no defense.And technically in law ignorance is never a defense.
Originally posted by Nellinator
True, but do you think you could forgive him? I think forgiveness has been lacking in America for a long time.
I'm Australian. And by rights shouldn't a person ask for forgiveness and be regretful?
And besides I was explaining what he had done, I wasn't even thinking about forgiveness.
Originally posted by Imperial_Samura
I'm Australian. And by rights shouldn't a person ask for forgiveness and be regretful?And besides I was explaining what he had done, I wasn't even thinking about forgiveness.
I don't know. It doesn't seem pointless to me.
Someone who thinks that Americans have more innate worth than Iraqis has some international issues to work out. Not to mention the religious intolerance.
I think forgiveness is a good thing, but I don't really see anything worth forgiving. I believe in responsibility for your actions. SHouldn't you forgive corrected error? Not holding ones past mistakes against them is worthy of forgiveness, but forgiveniss is not granted to those who continually make the same mistake over and over again.
I think Americans in general need to be more accepting of opinons that differ from their own. I feel some of Quiero's comments exempleyfy that perfectly. However, that is seeking tolerance. A range of acceptable views (preferably a narrow one).
However, when it comes to the xenophobia sweeping the US and Europe, I believe I have every right to fight it.
I think, Nellinator, that you're interpreting this as a bigger deal than it really is. I personally like Quiero, I just am shocked that he holds this opinion.
Originally posted by Alliance
I don't know. It doesn't seem pointless to me.Someone who thinks that Americans have more innate worth than Iraqis has some international issues to work out. Not to mention the religious intolerance.
I think forgiveness is a good thing, but I don't really see anything worth forgiving. I believe in responsibility for your actions. SHouldn't you forgive corrected error? Not holding ones past mistakes against them is worthy of forgiveness, but forgiveniss is not granted to those who continually make the same mistake over and over again.
I think Americans in general need to be more accepting of opinons that differ from their own. I feel some of Quiero's comments exempleyfy that perfectly. However, that is seeking tolerance. A range of acceptable views (preferably a narrow one).
However, when it comes to the xenophobia sweeping the US and Europe, I believe I have every right to fight it.
I think, Nellinator, that you're interpreting this as a bigger deal than it really is. I personally like Quiero, I just am shocked that he holds this opinion.
a) Fundamentalism is is just as bad and annoying on both sides Islam or Christianity, or Judaism, but as Ush mentioned, today Islam produces more of such than Christianity or Judaism.
b) Religion is not a 'race'. Get over it. They are ideologies which rightly deserve cristisism as much as communism, fasism, Buddhism and any other philosophy/ideology does. Religion does not define nationality.
Second, there are plenty Arabs who are Christians. So...Arab argument, you can forget now.
Originally posted by lil bitchiness
b) Religion is not a 'race'. Get over it. They are ideologies which rightly deserve cristisism as much as communism, fasism, Buddhism and any other philosophy/ideology does. Religion does not define nationality.
Yes, but saying that Americans are innately more valuable than Iraqis is racism. And calling Muslims 'rug-kneelers" is derrogatory and uncalled for.