Originally posted by Beta Ray Howard
Castle punked out Wolverine in War Journal ages ago. 😐
Seriously, what the hell are you talking about? Wolverine and Punisher fought for four or five panels before they teamed up to fight some poachers... and in the issue before that Wolverine hit Frank with a glancing blow and still managed to knock him out. There was no "punking", there was barely even a fight.
Devil’s Reign Chapter 4 Ballistic/Wolverine. Logan is a client to a firm call LL&L it is call a “Inter-Dimensional Finance”. They have places all over the world were wolverine and other that are there client can get money and other needed object’s. In this issue is show’s and explains that the office has a way of transporting people to the Top Cow reality. Logan’s been a client of this firm in his normal series long before this issue. His partner ship with them debate back to war world 1.
Originally posted by capt it up
Devil’s Reign Chapter 4 Ballistic/Wolverine. Logan is a client to a firm call LL&L it is call a “Inter-Dimensional Finance”. They have places all over the world were wolverine and other that are there client can get money and other needed object’s. In this issue is show’s and explains that the office has a way of transporting people to the Top Cow reality. Logan’s been a client of this firm in his normal series long before this issue. His partner ship with them debate back to war world 1.
Hm. Ya know, just because he's a client at said firm, doesn't necessarily mean that the comics are canon. It means that he can traverse these different realities without people freaking out. 😐
If Wolverine was transported to the Star Wars universe, that's canon?
And has there EVER been any direct mention of Wolverine's battle against Darkness in 616 comics?
Originally posted by Metalmanx
Hm. Ya know, just because he's a client at said firm, doesn't necessarily mean that the comics are canon. It means that he can traverse these different realities without people freaking out. 😐If Wolverine was transported to the Star Wars universe, that's canon?
And has there EVER been any direct mention of Wolverine's battle against Darkness in 616 comics?
the comci clearly show's how wolverien get's to there reality it is cannon deal with it.
in there fight with darkness it referenced Logan before his adamtium, he talking about his time in frence during ww2 which he was in and he was in france for a time. The whole issues even show's how he was up graded with adamtium in there next fight. The issues cannon. they have made them cannon by allowing logan to go to there universe through his firm. They explain theat logan was in france durign ww2 which he was he is shown using boen claws and they even mention that he has adamatium ones in his fight with present day darkness.
Originally posted by capt it up
the comci clearly show's how wolverien get's to there reality it is cannon deal with it.in there fight with darkness it referenced Logan before his adamtium, he talking about his time in frence during ww2 which he was in and he was in france for a time. The whole issues even show's how he was up graded with adamtium in there next fight. The issues cannon. they have made them cannon by allowing logan to go to there universe through his firm. They explain theat logan was in france durign ww2 which he was he is shown using boen claws and they even mention that he has adamatium ones in his fight with present day darkness.
Yes, I understand what happened in the comic. But what I want to know is if the Darkness fight was ever directly referenced in a truly 616 comic? As in, outside of the Darkeness fight? Has it ever been mentioned outside of that comic?
Originally posted by Metalmanx
Yes, I understand what happened in the comic. But what I want to know is if the Darkness fight was ever directly referenced in a truly 616 comic? As in, outside of the Darkeness fight? Has it ever been mentioned outside of that comic?
They neevr refferenced othe rone shott's even in non cross over's does that make them no cannon? no it makes them perfectly cannon.
the reaosn other comic's are not cannon liek teen titan x-men is becuase there on explanation of how they got there, there no evidence to support that they ahve been there before. there no evidence that states thing that have happen to them in there normal reality.
It cannon for wolverine that's for sure however is it cannon for darkness I am not sure. it did talk about darknesses past so I believe it be cannon for him as well.
Originally posted by capt it up
does it need to be? sicne it speaks abotu eachother's past and event's that happen to logan. they also have alreayd explained how lgoan can get there. I really see no reason fro why they need to mention it.They neevr refferenced othe rone shott's even in non cross over's does that make them no cannon? no it makes them perfectly cannon.
the reaosn other comic's are not cannon liek teen titan x-men is becuase there on explanation of how they got there, there no evidence to support that they ahve been there before. there no evidence that states thing that have happen to them in there normal reality.
It cannon for wolverine that's for sure however is it cannon for darkness I am not sure. it did talk about darknesses past so I believe it be cannon for him as well.
I do see a reason for it to be mentioned. From what I've gathered, 616 Wolverine's story-line didn't alter at all from the encounter with Darkness. Am I incorrect?
If it is not canon for Darkness, how could it be canon for Wolverine?
And no, they don't HAVE to reference the cross-over, but they can. Example, JLA vs. Avengers. It was mentioned in one of the two (I forget) later down the line.
Quick question: When have any of the Spider-Man vs. Wolverine cross-overs (not including the Marvel Knights one) been referenced in either of their own 616 comics? Just wondering.
Originally posted by Metalmanx
I do see a reason for it to be mentioned. From what I've gathered, 616 Wolverine's story-line didn't alter at all from the encounter with Darkness. Am I incorrect?
Originally posted by Metalmanx
If it is not canon for Darkness, how could it be canon for Wolverine?
Perfect example of one fight being cannon for one universe and not the other would be marvel vs DC. It was mention in dc, but not marvel so in theory it would be only cannon to DC, but then again would that not make it cannon for marvel as well?
Originally posted by Metalmanx
And no, they don't HAVE to reference the cross-over, but they can. Example, JLA vs. Avengers. It was mentioned in one of the two (I forget) later down the line.
Originally posted by Metalmanx
Quick question: When have any of the Spider-Man vs. Wolverine cross-overs (not including the Marvel Knights one) been referenced in either of their own 616 comics? Just wondering.
That may have been a bad example. Most one shot’s are not mention again. Such as wolverine 31.
Originally posted by Metalmanx
Then my point remains. Not all cross-overs are canon. Many of them are never referenced again outside of the cross-over itself. Or made apparent that they happened in any other way, shape, or form.I don't see any conclusive proof that the Darkness story was canon for Wolverine.
how much more evidence could you need. it been explained how lgoan ge's there. It was shown how he got there.
The issue talked about his past when he had bones claws. it talked about his tiem in france which he was there durign ww2. it talks about how year's later when they fought he ahd adamtium how is it not cannon?
Originally posted by capt it up
how much more evidence could you need. it been explained how lgoan ge's there. It was shown how he got there.The issue talked about his past when he had bones claws. it talked about his tiem in france which he was there durign ww2. it talks about how year's later when they fought he ahd adamtium how is it not cannon?
Originally posted by capt it up
but again there is proof. They ahve explained how logan can get there. They explained that he knows how to get there. They talk about his past in it it cannon. marvel does not say thing are cannon the forum is what does that. Marvel clearly made in cannon by talkign about eaches past and then perferresly in another issue telling how wolverien et's to these realits. it cannon the evdience says it cannon you can try and deny it, but it fact.
In most (or at least a lot of) "What If"s, they put in real facts about the characters, even sometimes past events concerning characters. In Wolverine What Ifs, he's still got adamantium-coated bones derived from Weapon X. Does that mean it can be considered canon?
In AOA, they reference and directly mention 616 events that led up to it. Does that make it canon?
According to your logic: Yes.
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Seriously, what the hell are you talking about? Wolverine and Punisher fought for four or five panels before they teamed up to fight some poachers... and in the issue before that Wolverine hit Frank with a glancing blow and still managed to knock him out. There was no "punking", there was barely even a fight.
For someone who knows so much about the Canadian midget, you obviously haven't read War Journal.
You make some decent entertainment sometimes. 😄
Anyway, Frank stopped Wolverine from killing some dude in a tropical area in the early to mid 90's by blowing Wolverine's stomach open and stopping him.
Originally posted by Metalmanx
In most (or at least a lot of) "What If"s, they put in real facts about the characters, even sometimes past events concerning characters.
Originally posted by Metalmanx
In Wolverine What Ifs, he's still got adamantium-coated bones derived from Weapon X. Does that mean it can be considered canon?
Originally posted by Metalmanx
In AOA, they reference and directly mention 616 events that led up to it. Does that make it canon?
What would you like marvel to be like THIS IS CANNNON? Because that pretty much what your asking for.
Originally posted by capt it up
No they don’t not in what if’s.No but it also say’s what if and does not talk about his past at all.
Yes because aoa was infact 616 till that point. The darkness fight talksing about and show wolverine from the past with bone claws in a place he been. It show’s his original fight and then it shows his current fight and his has adamtium claws. It was to show a past event of wolverines life. It also in another issue tells how eh can go to there reality how does that not make it cannon?
What would you like marvel to be like THIS IS CANNNON? Because that pretty much what your asking for.
Wait, I only got one thing from your post:
AOA is now canon?
Originally posted by capt it up
AOA is nto cannon because it differse form the reality at a certain point which makes it another reality while wolverine of 616 and the character from 616 are still in there reality.
But all of the history prior to the actual death of Xavier (which triggers AOA) is completely the same. Thus, according to your logic, makes it canon.
Disagree?