The Midnighter vs. Wolverine

Originally posted by Battlehammer
No I mean he has yet to reproduces a strength feat closes to that level which would indicate that was a one time feat or other wises pis.

No actaully kicking a mans head off would not reguire the same level of strength or closes to it.

No it PIS if he cant find at least two strength feats of comparable level.

No it not, and no there not. thats jsut some bull shit your telling your self, not a fact.

Puncturing the ear-drums of a guy who has taken hits from an opponent with the strength of three BILLION people- many, many times over class one hundred...

Throwing down with Jack Hawksmoor in NYC...

Regularly punching holes through steel...

The "tank-shell kick" isn't even remotely PIS. Get over your Wolverine fan-boy-ism.

Originally posted by snoopdogg
Those methods have worked in the past I guess. But I thought team Wolverine debunked that theory?

Midnighter 9/10.

Originally posted by Daredevil1
Wolverine kicks the head off a person in Stormwatch?????????

You asked me where Midnighter was said to have 3x human speed, not where Wolverine kicked someones head off. 😕

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
You asked me where Midnighter was said to have 3x human speed, not where Wolverine kicked someones head off. 😕

The post above it shows I asked for the Wolverine one as well. Would appreciate it.

Somewhere in Larry Hama's run, I think.

Anyone know the title/number?

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Yes. But he's a feral mutant with an odd bone structure anyway. Does that invalidate that it has happened/confirmed like half a dozen times on-panel? No.

Midnighter 9/10.

The thing is though apart from the adamantuim and the claws I think everything is human.

Originally posted by tjcoady
Puncturing the ear-drums of a guy who has taken hits from an opponent with the strength of three BILLION people- many, many times over class one hundred...

Throwing down with Jack Hawksmoor in NYC...

Regularly punching holes through steel...

The "tank-shell kick" isn't even remotely PIS. Get over your Wolverine fan-boy-ism.

like to see evidences of this.........and nothing but the first one even come closes to the cannon feat.......

really how isent it? He neevr displayed that kinda of strength before. He never lift anything that suggest the kinda of strength needed........

oh pleases just cuz I don't suck midnighter dick like the rest of you I have wolverine fanboyism pleases like your not a midnighter fanboy right.

How midnighter suposes to win here? He simply does not have the damage out put to win this before being KOed.

Tj and Battlehammer, stop this. Either agree to disagree or use the ignore.

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
The thing is though apart from the adamantuim and the claws I think everything is human.

Midnighter 9/10.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Except for the fact that it's been shown and confirmed half a dozen times that his brain can be penetrated by projectiles. And the explanation is not that he doesn't have adamantium there, it's that he simply doesn't have bone there. Plentiful on-panel evidence > attempting to apply real-life anatomy to comics.

Midnighter 9/10.

Thats not the explanation its the assumption you've decided to used to rationalise blatented PIS in order to suit your arguement.

Midnighter loses 10/10. Wolverine stomps him into the ground harder than Regis did. 😎

What a ridiculous thread. Midnighters best strength feat is smacking someone with a fridge and his best speed feat is catching an arrow. He isn't stronger than Wolverine, he isn't faster than Wolverine, his healing factor virtually doesn't existant by comparison.

EDIT: Christ... what a mess... I really do speak english... its just late. 🙁

Originally posted by Badabing
Tj and Battlehammer, stop this. Either agree to disagree or use the ignore.

I'm sorry Badabing.

And I'm sorry, Battlehammer. Getting too into the argument.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin

Midnighter loses 10/10. Wolverine stomps him into the ground harder than Regis did. 😎

The only people who think so have hard-ons for wolverine... go figure.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Thats not the explanation its the assumption you've decided to used to rationalise blatented PIS in order to suit your arguement.

Midnighter loses 10/10. Wolverine stomps him into the ground harder than Regis did. 😎

What a ridiculous thread. Midnighters best strength feat is smacking someone with a fridge and his best speed feat is catching an arrow. He isn't stronger than Wolverine, he isn't faster than Wolverine, his healing factor virtually doesn't existant by comparison.

EDIT: Christ... what a mess... I really do speak english... its just late. 🙁

Midnighter's best strength feats actually come from beating the crap out of supermen. Pure lifting? Off the top of my head, he's ripped out a section of train track and chucked it through a raging mutant in recent issues of The Authority. His best speed feat is kicking a tank shell back into a tank. Wolverine's closest feat to that is slashing a mechanical dart out of the air. So he's most definitely faster than Wolverine. Midnighter's healing factor is virtually a non-factor in this fight.

I forgive you for being so blatantly wrong about Midnighter. Most people do not care to research him at all. But the whole IDLI, IDH aspect to Wolverine's brain vulnerability is nothing short of trolling. It's happened. A lot. Indisputably. People have even had conversations about it. Rogue herself talked to Wolverine about it duringa training session. Just because you didn't like it, and would rather ignore it in favor of applying real life anatomy to a comic, doesn't mean it didn't happen. Had it been an isolated occurence... once or twice... you might have an argument. As it stands, it's indisputable. Get over it.

Midnighter 9/10.

Originally posted by tjcoady
I'm sorry Badabing.

And I'm sorry, Battlehammer. Getting too into the argument.

Not sure why people believe midnighter wins. He does not have any superior feats in any area. He not more skilled, he does not have as much stamina, he does not nearly have the damage soak. Midnighter needs to literally pound on wolverine over and over for a long while before he getting a KO. Logan really needs only one stabb to make this fight completely one sided.

so even if you believe he stronger or faster which he aint you have to believe midnighter can pound over and over on wolverine with out being hit..........something spiderman can't even do.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
On-panel occurrences is an assumption? Half a dozen on-panel occurrences is an assumption? Sorry. If it keeps happening, repeatedly, from all different authors, that's just the way it is. We're not dealing with your flawless vision of Wolverine. We're dealing with how he's regularly presented in comics.

Midnighter's best strength feats actually come from beating the crap out of supermen. Pure lifting? Off the top of my head, he's ripped out a section of train track and chucked it through a raging mutant in recent issues of The Authority. His best speed feat is kicking a tank shell back into a tank. Wolverine's closest feat to that is slashing a mechanical dart out of the air. So he's most definitely faster than Wolverine. Midnighter's healing factor is virtually a non-factor in this fight.

I forgive you for being so blatantly wrong about Midnighter. Most people do not care to research him at all. But the whole IDLI, IDH aspect to Wolverine's brain vulnerability is nothing short of trolling. It's happened. A lot. Indisputably. People have even had conversations about it. Rogue herself talked to Wolverine about it duringa training session. Just because you didn't like it, and would rather ignore it in favor of applying real life anatomy to a comic, doesn't mean it didn't happen. Had it been an isolated occurence... once or twice... you might have an argument. As it stands, it's indisputable. Get over it.

Midnighter 9/10.

Wolverine has been shot in the brain, that's an on panel occurrence; Wolverine missing pieces of his skull, is a baseless assumption. I could say that the bullets were specially formulated to become briefly intangible for a fraction of a second when they came into proximity to adamantium and I would have the same amount of on panel evidence (ie absolutely none) to back up such an opinion. If Wolverine was missing pieces of his skull, it would be mentioned on panel, and since there hasn't been even the mere sliver of a hint towards such a possibility, he isn't. He was shot in the brain because of PIS, not because he is missing parts of his skull... what a stupid argument.

Wolverine has more than 2000 appearances, his been shot in the brain four times. All of them have different entry points, which means none of the examples increase the validity of the other examples. Being shot through the naval cavity, doesn't make him being shot through the eye socket more credible, being shot through the eye socket doesn't make being shot with an arrow through the ear more credible and being shot straight through the ear doesn't make... whatever Deadpool did more credible. They can all be view individually, and individually they can all be discarded. Two of them make no sense at all (the arrow and the DP), the Mystique one is possible but very unlikely and the Scalphunter one is an isolated misconception on the size of the hole behind the eye socket.

Midnighte kicked an artillery shell. Wolverine caught a missile and rode it. /yawn

Midnighter has been meleed by Jack Hawksmoor, and he has landed blows on Midnighter without too much effort. If Hawksmoor is fast and skilled enough to hit Midnighter with minimum effort Wolverine is going to tear him apart, and considering the amount of damage Midnigher can take before he goes down (ie not much) its not going to be a long match at all.

You over estimate Midnighers abilities. He runs a million scenarios in his head? Congrats! Too bad he's said himself that 55 is the typical amount of scenarios that have him winning, its been said to be useless unless the opponent makes the first move, and he's been surround by three SAS members with guns trained on him and it was made pretty clear that every scenario he ran in his head ended up with him dead. Low showings? Maybe, but fact remains his implants barely give him the edge against Hawksmoor even with Hawksmoor is playing down to Midnighters level and only using melee. Midnighter hasn't done a damn thing that suggest he could hang with Wolverine in melee combat and avoid every single attack and overload Wolverine's healing factor, and he hasn't done a damn thing that suggest he could take Wolverine's blows and hang with him in combat long enough to over load his healing factor. Wolverine would stomp Midnighter into the ground, other than battle tactics Logan is better in every way.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Wolverine has been shot in the brain, that's an on panel occurrence; Wolverine missing pieces of his skull, is a baseless assumption. I could say that the bullets were specially formulated to become briefly intangible for a fraction of a second when they came into proximity to adamantium and I would have the same amount of on panel evidence (ie absolutely none) to back up such an opinion.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Wolverine has more than 2000 appearances, his been shot in the brain four times. All of them have different entry points, which means none of the examples increase the validity of the other examples.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Midnighte kicked an artillery shell. Wolverine caught a missile and rode it. /yawn

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Midnighter has been meleed by Jack Hawksmoor, and he has landed blows on Midnighter without too much effort. If Hawksmoor is fast and skilled enough to hit Midnighter with minimum effort Wolverine is going to tear him apart, and considering the amount of damage Midnigher can take before he goes down (ie not much) its not going to be a long match at all.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
You over estimate Midnighers abilities. He runs a million scenarios in his head? Congrats! Too bad he's said himself that 55 is the typical amount of scenarios that have him winning, its been said to be useless unless the opponent makes the first move, and he's been surround by three SAS members with guns trained on him and it was made pretty clear that every scenario he ran in his head ended up with him dead. Low showings? Maybe, but fact remains his implants barely give him the edge against Hawksmoor even with Hawksmoor is playing down to Midnighters level and only using melee. Midnighter hasn't done a damn thing that suggest he could hang with Wolverine in melee combat and avoid every single attack and overload Wolverine's healing factor, and he hasn't done a damn thing that suggest he could take Wolverine's blows and hang with him in combat long enough to over load his healing factor. Wolverine would stomp Midnighter into the ground.

Midnighter 9/10

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
dur

Exactly, its a ludicrous theory without any evidence to back it up... it should sound familiar to someone how contends that Wolverine is missing portions of his skull. 😆

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Except that it shows that Wolverine's brain is vulnerable and people know it and use it. Rogue threatened to shove a spear through Wolverin's throat into his brain durig a training sessiona nd Wolverine conceded. A hunter was sniping Sabretooth and said, "No adamantium bone there to help you out." or something to that effect. Sorry. It's happened. A lot. Mincing words and equivocating like this is embarassing. If anything, the totality of these inidents should lead you to believe that Wolverine either is missing pieces of his skull or the adamantium just doesn't lace it completely. Sorry, but IDLI, IDH doesn't work here.

It doesn't show that Wolverine's brain is vulnerable it shows studying anatomy isn't a prerequisite for being a writer, or a hunter and that Rogue's area of expertise isn't human anatomy or science... shocking! I mean, I know I'm shocked... are you??? 😱

What we have is four isolated cases that each deals with a separate portion of Wolverine's anatomy, all parts of his skull but different none the less, and as such none of the examples lends validity to the others or makes them any more credible. What does getting shot in the noes have to to do with the eye socket? What does getting shot in a fictional ear cavity have to do with getting shot up through the base of the neck? Nothing. They are four isolated occurrences that have nothing to do with one another.

So we have one PIS example of Wolverine getting shot through the eye socket. One PIS example of Wolverine getting shot through a fictional ear cavity with an arrow. One possibly PIS example of Wolverine getting shot through the nasal cavity (like I said earlier this one is possible, if unlikely). And finally one PIS example of Wolverine getting shot up through the base of the skull (or something). Wolverine getting shot through the eye socked doesn't become valid because he was also shot through the nose.... that doesn't make any sense at all, one has nothing to do with the other.

If Wolverine was subject to some special weakness or limitation it would be established on the panels of a comic, or at the very least a hand book, its not something they are leaving up to the imagination of the readers. I mean, Weapon X went through the trouble of building anti-metal bullets for the sole purpose of taking Wolverine down because he had an adamantium skull! Why on earth would they go through all that trouble if Wolverine was missing large sections of bone all over his damn head? Seriously, Wolverine doesn't have some mystery weakness that you are the only one who knows about, he had four writers with less that great knowledge of human anatomy, end of story. These aren't valid examples, no rational person would suggest otherwise... but here we are listening to you try to explain why they are valid so you can try and conjure up a way for Midnighter to beat Wolverine. 🙄

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Put up both scans side by side. Please. Let everyone see and comment on how inconsequential Midnighter's feat is when compared to that Wolveirne feat. yeah, this I would love to see. Simply putting the word "missile" next to "tank shell" does absolutely nothing to even remotely equate the two. Assumption by association is probably the dumbest logic move I've seen people make here on these forums.

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Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Do you even know who Jack Hawksmoor is? 😂

dur

Spider-man lite with a symbiotic relationship to urban environments. Like I said, Hawksmoor has shown the ability to contend with Midnighter purely in melee combat even with his tame stats. If Hawksmoor can hang with Midnigher in melee what do you think Wolverine is going to do? 🙄

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Why does Midnighter need more than 55 scenarios to win when he's engaging in a single round of fighting? Do you even read what you write? 😂 Ah, and so PIS-excuses abound only for Wolverine (even though it's really IDLI, IDH) but no PIS for Midnighter. Even though over 95% of Midnighter's showings show that he doesn't need his opponent to make the first move. Please, Midnighter has hung with super-men and beat them down. And all he needs is a bullet-tooth through Wolverine's eye-socket to win this. Stop the Wolverlooniness, mate. This is ludicrous.

Yeah Midnighter kicks the asses of all sorts of superman! Totally awesome dudes like Regis or Seth!!! Oh wait... they both kicked his ass. Well... he beat down Grifter!!! Oh... but... but Grifter stalemated him the second time they fought. Wait! He fought Gen 13!!!! But.. he didn't beat anyone. Well... one time he bonked Apollo on his ears!!!!!! No really!!!! He did, I'm serious! Seriously who are these "supermen" that Midnighter beats? Third string representations of established characters without a single impressive feat to their names? Colour me impressed!!! I changed my mind, Midnighter wins!!!!! Dude, do you remember that time Midnighter beat someone worth while? Yeah me neither... 🙄

And FYI, one example of "bullet-toothing"? PIS 😱