the "adamantium lacking bone/open passageways to the brain" theory is shaky to me, i mean it goes against biology and the adamantium bonding process' genius. dr. mclain didn't make a mistake or announce an innate flaw to weaken logan to my knowledge.
and the xavier protocols didn't have anything to do with logan being susceptible to brain damage due to projectiles or sharp instruments being able to get at it.
Originally posted by srankmissingninOnly... projectiles have pierced into his brain and Wolverine's had conversations about it. So it's a theory that goes to explain the obvious on-panel occurrences. Whereas your theory is a blatant straw-man trying to associate what's happened on-panel and spoken on-panel to sheer ridiculousness. Once again, assumption by association = fail. Not my fault you can't deal with on-panel evidence.
Exactly, its a ludicrous theory without any evidence to back it up... it should sound familiar to someone how contends that Wolverine is missing portions of his skull. 😆It doesn't show that Wolverine's brain is vulnerable it shows studying anatomy isn't a prerequisite for being a writer, or a hunter and that Rogue's area of expertise isn't human anatomy or science... shocking! I mean, I know I'm shocked... are you??? 😱
Rogue was sparring with Wolverine. And Wolverine acknowledges it and congratulates her for her tactics. And here I thought you read a lot of X-Men and Wolverine and would remember that. Spose not. You're facetious attitude only amplifies your obvious ignorance. Read the comic.
Originally posted by srankmissingninExcept that projectiles can enter into his brain. And except that Wolverine's had conversations about it. Well... at least from the base of his skull thing.
What we have is four isolated cases that each deals with a separate portion of Wolverine's anatomy... So we have one PIS example of Wolverine getting shot through the eye socket. One PIS example of Wolverine getting shot through a fictional ear cavity with an arrow. One possibly PIS example of Wolverine getting shot through the nasal cavity (like I said earlier this one is possible, if unlikely). And finally one PIS example of Wolverine getting shot up through the base of the skull (or something). Wolverine getting shot through the eye socked doesn't become valid because he was also shot through the nose.... that doesn't make any sense at all, [b]one has nothing to do with the other.[/b]
Originally posted by srankmissingninHow the hell else do you establish a special weakness other than showing it repeatedly on-panel and having characters talk about it in conversations on-panel? So on-panel evidence means nothing because there's no handbook entry on it? Your failure to use logic only obviates how desperate you are to justify your IDLI, IDH garbage.
If Wolverine was subject to some special weakness or limitation it would be established on the panels of a comic, or at the very least a hand book, its not something they are leaving up to the imagination of the readers...
Originally posted by srankmissingninYou seriously think that scan compares to this:
http://img219.imageshack.us/img219/6082/rocketridekz0.jpg
http://img253.imageshack.us/my.php?image=m1yx6.jpg
http://img253.imageshack.us/my.php?image=m2vv2.jpg
I can't even bring myself to insult the utter fail of such a suggestion. It's so god damned obvious how superior Midnighter's feat is to Wolverine sticking his claws into a missile... I just am speechless.
Originally posted by srankmissingninSpiderman-lite? Did you see Hawksmoor fight Regis? You even mention him... are you kidding me? Where does this utter ignorance come from?
Spider-man lite with a symbiotic relationship to urban environments. Like I said, Hawksmoor has shown the ability to contend with Midnighter purely in melee combat even with his tame stats. If Hawksmoor can hang with Midnigher in melee what do you think Wolverine is going to do? 🙄
Originally posted by srankmissingninIf that's a question, here's one (and please don't be even more ignorant and downplay how strong, fast and durable they were, don't make me school you on their individual feats):
Seriously who are these "supermen" that Midnighter beats?
http://img372.imageshack.us/my.php?image=m7yr2.jpg
http://img372.imageshack.us/my.php?image=m8ah7.jpg
The point is, Midnighter is obviously stronger than Wolverine. And despite you trying to hate on Midnighter by suggesting he gets beaten up (he does, like when he gets kicked like this by the renegade Doctor: http://img253.imageshack.us/my.php?image=m12bu7.jpg), that doesn't change a damn thing about him having better strength feats than Wolverine. Your bias renders us speechless.
Originally posted by srankmissingninPIS? Midnighter is that strong and has that much control over his body. So it's within his capabiltiies. He hasn't had a lot of appearances, so now he has to bullet-tooth every 10 appearances to be able to use it in a forum battle? Funny... I think he's only used his shuriken twice? Guess that's PIS now too. Lord. Do you even know what PIS is?
And FYI, one example of "bullet-toothing"? PIS 😱
Midnighter 9/10
Originally posted by psycho gundamIt'd be shaky if there were no on-panel instances of it. But there are. And that's the only plausible explanation, especially when characters state that there is no bone there. So this scientist couldn't possibly be wrong? Is that it? Comic book scientists are never wrong now?
the "adamantium lacking bone/open passageways to the brain" theory is shaky to me, i mean it goes against biology and the adamantium bonding process' genius. dr. mclain didn't make a mistake or announce an innate flaw to weaken logan to my knowledge.and the xavier protocols didn't have anything to do with logan being susceptible to brain damage due to projectiles or sharp instruments being able to get at it.
You couldn't kill Wolverine by shooting things into his brain. You'd only knock him out for a while. Xavier protocols focused on permanently dealing with X-Men, not on how to knock em unconscious. And this is presupposing that nothing in there mentioned it at all. Let me ask you, did you read the full content of the Xavier Protocols? Do you have a copy lying around that you've read and I haven't?
all i'm saying is dr. mclain most likely would have made some sort of remark or log about leaving portions of logan's skull untreated, or at least the bonding process wasn't 100% encompassing of his skeletal structure, that's what mad scientists tend to do with potentially dangerous creations. no such things were said, so it's kinda wtf? worthy. (imagine superman's weakness to kryptonite was never explained and someone just busted it out on him during a fight and he was ko'd, it's be weird also)
scalphunter can modify his weaponry on the fly with his power and he carries unconventional arms on him all the time, i don't remember the size of the bullet he fired into logan's skull so maybe it was small enough to pass through the opening where the optic nerve goes....so i'll give you that. but a real bullet (or tooth)..hell no.
and severe brain damage is just as bad as losing one's life completely. enough debris in logan's cranium would most likely put him into a coma state with extreme pain along with it, or make him a total invalid. dr/ mclain already gave him a mind wipe without using telepathy so it is possible to affect his memory and thought process without telepathy. his motor functions and the like must also be susseptible to tampering if his memory can be. xavier should know that.
Originally posted by psycho gundamDo you know how many mad scientists deem their creations to be invincible or indestructible only to be proven wrong by some hero busting it up? Cmon now. Dr. Doom's smart. Dr. Doom is thorough and hates to be wrong. Doesn't stop him from being utterly wrong when it comes to his inventions.
all i'm saying is dr. mclain most likely would have made some sort of remark or log about leaving portions of logan's skull untreated, or at least the bonding process wasn't 100% encompassing of his skeletal structure, that's what mad scientists tend to do with potentially dangerous creations. no such things were said, so it's kinda wtf? worthy. (imagine superman's weakness to kryptonite was never explained and someone just busted it out on him during a fight and he was ko'd, it's be weird also)
Originally posted by psycho gundamWho said it went through the optic nerve opening. That's ludicrous. You're trying too hard to justify a plain scene. Scalphunter never says anything about the bullet being small enough to penetrate. It just passes through. The same way Deadpool's did even though there is no opening akin to a nerve opening. The same way Mystique's bullet went through, even though the nasal cavity is all scraggily and doesn't even have a path to the brain. Stop operating on real life science. This is a comic book. He has metal lining his damn bones and has claws out of his forearms. That impossible without applying the suspension of disbelief. I can quote human anatomy all I want til my face is blue. But it's a comic. Same way he can have projectiles reach his bone. Had you a single scan where it's suggested he cannot possibly have his brain penetrated, you'd have a point. As it is, you're quoting human anatomy til your face is blue for a comic that applies the suspension of disbelief.
scalphunter can modify his weaponry on the fly with his power and he carries unconventional arms on him all the time, i don't remember the size of the bullet he fired into logan's skull so maybe it was small enough to pass through the opening where the optic nerve goes....so i'll give you that. but a real bullet (or tooth)..hell no.
Originally posted by psycho gundamSo now you're completely speculating about the Xavier Protocols that deal with how to kill X-Men to somehow justify that it stands as authority on all the ways to simply stop or incapacitate X-Men and even though we never read the whole entry, you assume that from what we've seen there could be nothing like that written... just so you could argue against clear on-panel scans and conversations. That's reaching juuuuust a lil bit, don't you think?
and severe brain damage is just as bad as losing one's life completely. enough debris in logan's cranium would most likely put him into a coma state with extreme pain along with it, or make him a total invalid. dr/ mclain already gave him a mind wipe without using telepathy so it is possible to affect his memory and thought process without telepathy. his motor functions and the like must also be susseptible to tampering if his memory can be. xavier should know that.
dude no.
for one, logan's bones are not coated by metal, they are fused with it.
his bones are like chocolate milk.
and is his skeleton not based of of a human skeleton or what?
the only differences he has to the norm are 6 claws and more calcium content than usual....and now dime sized holes apparently.
tell me what you think happened that allowed the bullet scalphunter fired entry to his brain case, it would help me out a bit.
Originally posted by psycho gundamHe doesn't have bone there. Like apparently how he doesn't have bone under the base of his skull where Deadpool shot a bullet through and when in a leadership training exercise, Rogue strung him up and pointed a spear under his chin and specifically said it'd go through to his brain and Wolverine conceded and congratulated Rogue on her use of tactics rather than pure powers. A Weapon X hunter also was sniping adamantium Sabretooth, aiming at his eye and specifically says he has no adamantium laced bone to protect him there. Does this evince that Marvel writers have never held a human skull in their hands? Sure. Does it change the fact that it happened on-panel several times in the past few years in quick succession? No.
dude no.for one, logan's bones are not coated by metal, they are fused with it.
his bones are like chocolate milk.and is his skeleton not based of of a human skeleton or what?
the only differences he has to the norm are 6 claws and more calcium content than usual....and now dime sized holes apparently.tell me what you think happened that allowed the bullet scalphunter fired entry to his brain case, it would help me out a bit.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0that's depressing.
He doesn't have bone there. Like apparently how he doesn't have bone under the base of his skull where Deadpool shot a bullet through and when in a leadership training exercise, Rogue strung him up and pointed a spear under his chin and specifically said it'd go through to his brain and Wolverine conceded and congratulated Rogue on her use of tactics rather than pure powers. A Weapon X hunter also was sniping adamantium Sabretooth, aiming at his eye and specifically says he has no adamantium laced bone to protect him there. Does this evince that Marvel writers have never held a human skull in their hands? Sure. Does it change the fact that it happened on-panel several times in the past few years in quick succession? No.
even though it doesn't make sense and was never explained, i guess i will take it for what it is.
Do you write your posts in a word process and paste it on KMC, because your posts become a jumbled mess when they are quoted?
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Only... projectiles have pierced into his brain and Wolverine's had conversations about it. So it's a theory that goes to explain the obvious on-panel occurrences. Whereas your theory is a blatant straw-man trying to associate what's happened on-panel and spoken on-panel to sheer ridiculousness. Once again, assumption by association = fail. Not my fault you can't deal with on-panel evidence.
Just like my equally ridiculous theory of bullet intangibility!!! Wolverine's been shot in the brain. He has an Adamantium skull. An Adamatium skull would stop bullets. Ergo if Wolverine gets shot in the bullets must briefly become intangible before they made contact his skull! 😱
There is just as much evidence to support that asinine theory as your ridiculous "phantom bone" theory (hint: none). Your whole theory is completely baseless, you've simply jumped on a theory in order to justify these examples so that you can support your argument. There is nothing to justify, they are four isolated mistakes, and mistakes on human anatomy in general not Wolverines. The mere act of attempting to justify them insures that the theory will be ridiculous, because no rational human being would think there anything their that needs to be justified. They'd except them as mistakes on the writers part, disreguard the examples and move on... like everyone else but you.
Anyway, my argument isn't a straw-man at all, but I can see how you might see it that considering your argument is so ridiculous that it must seem like people are purposely exaggerating your points to discredit you... but I assure you its merely your stance that is really ridicules, maybe try reading your own posts. I think you'll see what I mean if you do. I mean... seriously... phantom bones? Come'on what where you thinking? I know that are going to have to come up with an ass backwards theory to support Midnighter beating Wolverine.... but phantom bones? Seriously?
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Rogue was sparring with Wolverine. And Wolverine acknowledges it and congratulates her for her tactics. And here I thought you read a lot of X-Men and Wolverine and would remember that. Spose not. You're facetious attitude only amplifies your obvious ignorance. Read the comic.
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X-Men 103, and I think maybe you are the one who should sit down and read the issue because there is nothing even resembling confirmation on Wolverine's part that Rogues "tactic," would or even could work. Rogue said she had knowledge of human anatomy (not some mythical unique Wolverine exclusive anatomy that you seem to believe in, but human anatomy), and they proved she was an imbecile in the next sentence. Awesome? I'd tell you, that you should stop talking out of your ass but I don't think you'd have much to say if you did. Read the comic again.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
How the hell else do you establish a special weakness other than showing it repeatedly on-panel and having characters talk about it in conversations on-panel? So on-panel evidence means nothing because there's no handbook entry on it? Your failure to use logic only obviates how desperate you are to justify your IDLI, IDH garbage.
The same way a special weakness is established in EVERY OTHER COMICS SINCE THE HISTORY OF TIME? You know... by stating it maybe?
Once again - and please try your best to fallow along this time - no special weakness has been shown. What has been shown is Wolverine getting shot in the brain, he still hasn't been shown, stated or even suggested to be missing parts of his skull. He was shot in the brain because of misconceptions and ignorance surrounding human anatomy. There is nothing to rationalise, he got shot in the brain because of mistakes on the part of the writers, and since we know better we can discard those four examples with ease, especially since they are four isolated cases that have no baring on one another and each deal with a separate part of Wolverine's anatomy.
Instead of using your head you've decided to try to rationalise the irrational because it suits the argument you've decided to take in this fight. No reasoning you come up with is going to make any sense, because the examples them selves don't need to be explained. They were created under misconceptions of human anatomy under the assumption that they were accurate, and since they aren't accurate, we can ignore them. It was never the intention for the writers to suggest that Wolverine is missing sporadic pieces of his skull, if it was it would have been mentioned on panel. Writers don't give a character a built in flaw with mentioning it the comic.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
You seriously think that scan compares to this:http://img253.imageshack.us/my.php?image=m1yx6.jpg
http://img253.imageshack.us/my.php?image=m2vv2.jpgI can't even bring myself to insult the utter fail of such a suggestion. It's so god damned obvious how superior Midnighter's feat is to Wolverine sticking his claws into a missile... I just am speechless.
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Midnighter kicks an arterial shell. Wolverine grabs onto a missile.
Midnighter redirects an arterial shell with his kick. Wolverine pulls a missile up 90 degrees and steers it.
Perhaps you'd care to enlighten the viewers at home why they aren't comparable? After all you are the only one that knows what is really going on in the comics we all read. 🙄
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Spiderman-lite? Did you see Hawksmoor fight Regis? You even mention him... are you kidding me? Where does this utter ignorance come from?
Hawksmoor split Regis in half! ZOMG!!! 😱
Dude, that's not even close to class 20 feat. Once again, physically Hawksmoor is Spider-man lite. Do you have anything else?
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
If that's a question, here's one (and please don't be even more ignorant and downplay how strong, fast and durable they were, don't make me school you on their individual feats):http://img372.imageshack.us/my.php?image=m7yr2.jpg
http://img372.imageshack.us/my.php?image=m8ah7.jpg
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Wow Midnighter blitzed some no name canon fodder!!! Awesome! He's the best ever! 🙄
Please go ahead and school me on their individual feats. Tell me all about how they never displayed anything resembling super speed outside of flight speed. Tell me about how the only power they displayed of any merit was energy projection... and yet they decided to melee the Authority. Tell me how every member of the Authority - including Swift - was killing those "supermen" in the dozens with casually ease.
Or maybe I've forgot their awesome feats of speed and strength? Well, I'm waiting.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
The point is, Midnighter is obviously stronger than Wolverine. And despite you trying to hate on Midnighter by suggesting he gets beaten up (he does, like when he gets kicked like this by the renegade Doctor: http://img253.imageshack.us/my.php?image=m12bu7.jpg), that doesn't change a damn thing about him having better strength feats than Wolverine. Your bias renders us speechless.
Midnighter got kicked a hundred yards? Wolverine's been punched across state lines, hell he survived being punched into orbit before he's healing factor was even written into his character.
Better strength feats then Wolverine? His best feat is smacking someone with a refrigerator. Wolverine's briefly supported the weight of an elevator with one arm. He's pushed back a car with just his arms when sandwiched between two wreaks. He's carried the Hulk like he was nothing. He's swung full grown sharks from the surface of the ocean onto the deck of a boat with out any leverage. He's hit a man under water so hard the he propelled from one end of the pool to the other and still hit the wall with enough force to crack the concrete. He's carried a moose over his shoulder. He's broken out "unbreakable" chains, and even bindings that were holding the Beast and Rogue. He steered a missile! That's just off the top of my head and doesn't even look at dudes Wolverine's layed out with just his punches (which is also a list that vastly dwarfs Midnighters).
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
PIS? Midnighter is that strong and has that much control over his body. So it's within his capabiltiies. He hasn't had a lot of appearances, so now he has to bullet-tooth every 10 appearances to be able to use it in a forum battle? Funny... I think he's only used his shuriken twice? Guess that's PIS now too. Lord. Do you even know what PIS is?
Yeah because spiting a tooth out once with the strength / speed of a bullet is the same thing as using a variety of weapons! dur
Well I look forward to you response. I'm sure it will be thought provoking and illuminating and differently not the exact same post I replied to again that doesn't address anything I've mentioned and simply restates your ridiculous theory again. 🙄
^ There is nothing on-panel that suggests that Deadpool's, Mystique's or Scalphunter's bullets went intangible to penetrate into Logan's brain. What... are you really that dense? Can you not realize what's displayed on-panel?
You call my assertions asinine theories? Funny. That's exactly the premise that Rogue and Wolverine speak about together on-panel. Read the fuggin comic before making a fool of yourself with your facetious and arrogant comments. Your use of terms like "phantom bones" is another sad use of straw-man. He simply doesn't have bone there. As demonstrated on-panel. NBot only on-panel in practice, but on-panel in conversation. Just because you didn't like it, doesn't mean it didn't happen. And you even read it, you cited it. How can you possibly read those comic books any other way? Let's see how ridiculous it is for me to quote these on-panel occurrences, you little child.
This isn't a case of discarding one example of Silver Surfer getting armbarred is applying the rule of PIS. You're trying to discard six examples that demonstrate that Wolverine can have his brain penetrated by projectiles. That isn't reasonable. That's fanboy bias. Had it even been spread out over his 50+ years of appearances, I might even sympathize with you. As it stands, these instances have all happened in the past few years. Don't waste everyone's time with your rampant fanboyism.
Originally posted by srankmissingninWho here, reading this quote thinks that latching onto a missile is comparable to kicking a tank shell back into a tank? Vote.
Midnighter kicks an arterial shell. Wolverine grabs onto a missile.Midnighter redirects an arterial shell with his kick. Wolverine pulls a missile up 90 degrees and steers it.
Originally posted by srankmissingninYou have no idea how strong Regis was, do you? Did you even read the comic or are you talking out of your behind based on a single scan? And the Gamoran supermen. Do you have any idea how strong, durable and fast they were? You had to acquiesce to the fact that they could span the globe in the length of a conversation since Apollo had to chase one around the world back to the island of Gamora. I think I shall school you on their feats. But first, let's remind everyone what we're arguing about bottom-line here... can Wolverine's brain be penetrated by projectiles... yes or no:
Hawksmoor split Regis in half! ZOMG!!! 😱Dude, that's not even close to class 20 feat. Once again, physically Hawksmoor is Spider-man lite. Do you have anything else?
Honestly. Sit down. Read the scans. That's all it takes. You're not fooling anyone here, just yourself.
Midnighter 9/10
Logan shot through the ear? Fine.
through the eye by Scalphunter? Fine. Someone already explained how that could work.
In the nose, okay...
I don't think the shot through his jaw makes any sense.
The last three scans are people all just making assumptions or baseless claims and no actual proof presented so I'm not sure how you think that helps your argument.
Originally posted by jinzinThe 2nd to last scan is Logan thinking that a round through the eye may kill him, I'd be willing to give him the benefit of the doubt and say he knows his own body.
Logan shot through the ear? Fine.
through the eye by Scalphunter? Fine. Someone already explained how that could work.
In the nose, okay...I don't think the shot through his jaw makes any sense.
The last three scans are people all just making assumptions or baseless claims and no actual proof presented so I'm not sure how you think that helps your argument.
