The Midnighter vs. Wolverine

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
He's been shot in through the eye once. He's been shot through the nose once. He's been shot through the ear once. He's been shot through... um... something under his jaw once. None of those examples serve to make each other more credible. Getting shot through the eye lends nothing to getting shot through the ear, and so on and so forth.

let's not try to make it make sense with real anatomy...most comic feats have some parts of it that don't make sense if you want to nitpick

at this point, it might be best to have a moderator draw the conclusion, no?

No

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
They've actively measured light speed and quantified it in DC comics as being 186,282.397 miles per second. It's impossible for that to be billions times it's own number. Whereas it's never been shown that Wolverine has a hole-less skull and it's actually been shown on-panel that Wolverine can have his brain penetrated by projectiles several times and confirmed several times.

Do you have scans of someone in DC saying that light travels at, 186,282.397 miles per second? Or are you just assuming that they've measured the speed of light and come to the same conclusion as real world scientists?

Wolverine's skull has been shown several times. Wolverine himself has been x-rayed several times. We've seen him take a high caliber rifle bullet to the eye socket. No one has ever said "Look at this! Wolverine is missing parts of his skull!" No one has even suggested it. In fact... Weapon X gave Agent Zero an anti metal bullet in order to fire a bullet into Wolverine's skull. Why would they do that if there are no bones behind his eyes, nose, ears and the base of his skull?

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Wolverine says "Straight through the eye into the brain." He's talking about the explosive round itself. It's plainly clear what he means. And the other scan clearly states outright that there is no bone behind the eye socket. This isn't some theory I made up. It's confirmed by on-panel evidence, several times over. Get over it and don't confuse impossibility without evidentiary support with demonstrated possibility with evidentiary support.

Not some theory that you've made up? Dude... that's exactly what it is.

Wolverine wondering if a bullet through his eye into the brain would kill him isn't confirmation that he is missing bones behind his eye, and a hunter saying there is no bone behind the eye, isn't confirmation that there is, in fact, no bone behind the eye.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
He's been shot thorugh the eye once and it's been confirmed in two separate instances that it could happen. He's been shot through the throat once and it's been confirmed that it could happen in a separate instance. it doesn't matter how much proof there is. You don't like it, so for you, it didn't happen. Just don't expect anybody else who isn't a die-hard Wolverine fan to place your semantic arguments over on-panel evidence.

He's been shot through the eye once, with zero confirmation that it could happen. Once again: Wolverine wondering if a bullet through the eye into his brain would kill him isn't proof that a a bullet could go through his eye in the first place nor is it proof that he is missing bones behind his eye; and a hunter thinking that there are no bones behind they also isn't proof that Wolverine has no bones behind his eye, its proof that the hunter doesn't know much about anatomy.

He's been shot through the base of the skull (I assume that's what you mean by throat) once, and it was not confirmed at all that it was a viable option. Rogue saying she knows human anatomy and that she will stab Wolverine in the brain isn't confirmation that he is missing bones in the base of his skull, or that she actually could to it. Hell we don't even know if she was planning on stabbing him in the base of his skull anyway, maybe she intended to stab him through the eye socked, the orientation of the spear isn't enough evidence to suggest her "intent." Not to mention it was a baseless idle threat in the first place... certainly it doesn't add any semblance of credibility to the Deadpool thing.

yeah srank

I guess getting shot through the skull 4 times isn't evidence

having logan and other characters comment on the vulnerability of his skull isn't confirmation

that's all just speculation

wolverine wondering if the bullet would at least confirm he knows he has a vulnerability there...and in those scans you posted didnt wolverine state

Originally posted by Starscream M
yeah srank

I guess getting shot through the skull 4 times isn't evidence

having logan and other characters comment on the vulnerability of his skull isn't confirmation

that's all just speculation

Four isolated cases that have no baring on one another are evidence of writers flaws and nothing more.

Logan never comment on the vulnerability of his skull, and neither did anyone else. A hunter comment on Sabretooth's skull, saying there was no bone behind the eye socket... but he never got to test that theory. Rogue boasted about her knowledge of anatomy and said she would stab Wolverine in the brain... but never gave any indication how she would do it, and Wolverine wondered if a bullet through his eye into his brain would kill him. There is no confirmation of missing bones or built in flaws or weakness in Wolverine's skull in any of those examples.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Do you have scans of someone in DC saying that light travels at, 186,282.397 miles per second? Or are you just assuming that they've measured the speed of light and come to the same conclusion as real world scientists?

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Wolverine's skull has been shown several times. Wolverine himself has been x-rayed several times. We've seen him take a high caliber rifle bullet to the eye socket. No one has ever said "Look at this! Wolverine is missing parts of his skull!" No one has even suggested it. In fact... Weapon X gave Agent Zero an anti metal bullet in order to fire a bullet into Wolverine's skull. Why would they do that if there are no bones behind his eyes, nose, ears and the base of his skull?

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Not some theory that you've made up? Dude... that's exactly what it is.

and the thing is all these events happened in the relatively recent period...so you can't even just say "oh its bs from some early era"

^ And different authors, so you can't blame some author for hating on Wolverine.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
I've seen that number several times in JLA and Flash comics. If I show you a scan, will you drop this part of your discussion because it's distinct from this situation? You must realize, it's not going to be easy to find one panel or speech bubble amongst all of my comics. I'm not going to waste my time unless it's worth our while.

Do you write your posts in word process and paste them into KMC? Because they are all jumbled with I quote them and it only happens with your posts...

Yeah I'll drop it but I picked that example precisely because I thought it would hard to find proof. 😎

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
No one ever said that Wolverine has bone behind his eye socket either. People have said, and have suggested and its been demonstrated on-panel that he doesn't though. Again, the burden of proof that is yours has not changed. Weapon X may have given it to him because it's pretty damn hard to snipe a person through their eye.

Because having bones behind your eyes is common place, why would someone bring it up? Seriously... you are looking for some to say "Holy shit, Wolverine you have bones behind your eyes like everyone else!"? Not telling Wolverine there are bones behind his eyes makes sense, what doesn't make sense is for someone to x-ray Wolverine and not tell him that he is missing large portions of his skull. If Wolverine was missing pieces of his skull it would be documented. It would be written somewhere on panel at least once. Someone would have said "Wolverine, you are missing large portions of your skull all over you head." We'd know about it, it wouldn't be baseless speculation. One of the countless people you've tried to kill / capture / take down Wolverine over the years would have said "Listen he has adamantium skeleton... but his weakness is that there are openings all over his skull!"

Not telling us Wolverine has bones behind his eyes makes sense, not telling use that he doesn't have bones behind his eyes doesn't make sense.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
No. I didn't make this up. It's just me reading these comics. Don't mischaracterize my reliance on this on-panel evidence as if it's some ridiculous unsupported theory I conjured up:

Yes. You made it up. You've decided that Wolverine was shot in the brain, ergo he is missing bones. Nothing on panel confirms that assumption. You've decided that Wolverine getting shot in the brain suits your purpose so you came up with the Phantom Bone theory in an attempt to rationalise just how a man with an Adamantium skull gets shot in the brain.

So how does a man with an Adamantium skull get shot in the brain? By not having an Aadmantium skull! The amazing Phantom Bone theory, logically Wolverine is missing large portions of his skull, Marvel never decided to tell us but thank god we have the amazing deductive mind of OneDumbGo to crack the mystery!!! What is your next case detective?

dur

Maybe he wasn't even shot in the brain, maybe force the bullets connecting with his skull and ruptured his brain koing his ass? 😱

Maybe they all had magic bullets that became intangible for a brief moment in time based on their proximity to Adamantium? 😱

Maybe your Phantom Bone theory is correct and he is missing a large portion of his skull that in 40 years of comic appearances no one felt fit to inform use about? 😱

Or maybe its PIS stupidity and it doesn't need to be explained? 😎

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Do you write your posts in word process and paste them into KMC? Because they are all jumbled with I quote them and it only happens with your posts...

Yeah I'll drop it but I picked that example precisely because I thought it would hard to find proof. 😎

Good. I'll get into it this weekend.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Yes. You made it up. You've decided that Wolverine was shot in the brain, ergo he is missing bones. Nothing on panel confirms that assumption.

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Where is the scan with Orphan-Maker from?

Please, tell, please, tell.......

Wolverine: Killing Made Simple

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
I have no idea why that happens to you.

Good. I'll get into it this weekend.No. I didn't make it up. That's exactly what happens here and two of those instances are confirmed by other characters. The amount of incredulity and semantics you're proferring in this argument is amazing. How can you possibly accuse me of concocting this theory out of the blue with these scans:
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There is no confirmation. 😕

What does Rogue say that confirms or adds credibility to Deadpool's feat? Nothing. She doesn't mention Wolverine is missing bones, she simple says she could stab him in the brain... but no how she or where she will do it.

What does Wolverine say that confirms he can be shot through the eye? Nothing. He merely wonders if he was shot through the eye if it would kill him. That isn't is neither a confirmation that he could get shot through the eye or an admittance that he has no bones behind it.

The hunter statement has nothing to do with Wolverine, and once again - like Rogue - is a general statement about human anatomy, a general statement that is wrong.

In manifest destiny wolverine run last issue lin stabs Logan in the eye and there kunlk becuases of the adamtium behind it.

so that was three times people have fail to go further due to adamatium

wolverine talking human atanomy and says/implies his is the same
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Originally posted by Starscream M
and the thing is all these events happened in the relatively recent period...so you can't even just say "oh its bs from some early era"

What instances does it contradict from his past?

Originally posted by Battlehammer
actaully it makes it worst that it happen so late. Becuases it dirrectly controdicts his entire history as a character

logan is a constantly evolving character...he's very different today than he was when he first came into comics.

the more recent events are actually far more relevant than his original appearances