Originally posted by Starscream MIt is convenient. Especially when they cite Logan climbing out a molten steel vat and all sorts of other nonsense in their favor that clearly contradicts real-life science.
so all of sudden, we hold comic science to have to match real science?how convenient for you, ya logan wanking fanboy!
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Fine. Misconception it is, but that doesn't change the fact that two of those instances happened on-panel and were confirmed on-panel. So the comic-book doesn't follow real-life science. What a shocker!You must have posted the wrong scan. Nothing there states anything of what you said.
So four mistakes on human anatomy based on misconceptions is enough for you to say "Oh, so Marvel humans don't have the same anatomy as real humans!"? That seems like a stretch. The reason there is no explanation on panel is because the writers didn't think there needed to be one, they didn't realise there was any mistake to begin with. Clearly it wasn't their intention to suggest that the standard baseline Marvel human's is different than that of a real human.
Whats the speed of light in comics? What is the speed of gravity in comics? What is the numerical value of pi in comics? Unless stated otherwise it is the same as the real world equivilant. Same with anatomy. There has been no confirmation that comic humans have different anatomy than normal humans... so they don't. Four mistakes doesn't come any where close to cutting it, there is about 1000 examples of comic panels drawn where the character's thumb is on the wrong side... FACT: Comic book characters can alternate each hand between a right hand / left hand configuration at their whim?
Now... back to 25man Naxx.
Originally posted by srankmissingninthe difference is nobody even gives a thought to how thumbs are drawn
Four mistakes doesn't come any where close to cutting it, there is about 1000 examples of comic panels drawn where the character's thumb is on the wrong side... FACT: Comic book characters can alternate each hand between a right hand / left hand configuration at their whim?
but when they have logan getting hit in the brain, that's a deliberate decision...something they've discussed and given thought about...unlike drawing a thumb
Originally posted by srankmissingninIt would be a stretch if we didn't have those four instances on-panel and three verifications on-panel. You must recognize that you are not arguing against a theory in the absence of proof. You are arguing against the explanation for what has actually occurred several times, some of which have been verified separately.
So four mistakes on human anatomy based on misconceptions is enough for you to say "Oh, so Marvel humans don't have the same anatomy as real humans!"? That seems like a stretch.
In order to rebut what was actually occurred, you need proof that completely rebuts the on-panel evidence that has been presented. You have none. This burden of proof doesn't go away by citing to real-life science or your own opinions that you don't like it. You're arguing semantics in the face of on-panel evidence.
Originally posted by srankmissingninAnd confine the conversation to Wolverine, and if you must, Sabretooth. Expanding the inquiry to all Marvel humans changes the object of this discussion.
The reason there is no explanation on panel is because the writers didn't think there needed to be one, they didn't realise there was any mistake to begin with. Clearly it wasn't their intention to suggest that the standard baseline Marvel human's is different than that of a real human.
Originally posted by srankmissingninAn artist's mistake in drawing something is quite distinct from a writer's/artist's deliberate decision to depict something on-panel as part of the plot.
Four mistakes doesn't come any where close to cutting it, there is about 1000 examples of comic panels drawn where the character's thumb is on the wrong side... FACT: Comic book characters can alternate each hand between a right hand / left hand configuration at their whim?
Originally posted by Starscream M
the difference is nobody even gives a thought to how thumbs are drawnbut when they have logan getting hit in the brain, that's a deliberate decision...something they've discussed and given thought about...unlike drawing a thumb
Flash evacuated LA. He was said to be moving 99% c, but calculations done say he would need to be moving a billion times light speed in order to accomplish that task. In DC comics 99% light speed is the equivalent to a billion times light speed in the real world, or was it a writers mistake?
And there wasn't significant thought put into the examples because there was no realisation that was happening was anything other than normal.
Originally posted by srankmissingninit wasn't a writer's mistake...it is an illustration that comic science don't match up with real science. comic writers and artists don't constrain themselves by depicting everything accurately to our world.
Flash evacuated LA. He was said to be moving 99% c, but calculations done say he would need to be moving a billion times light speed in order to accomplish that task. In DC comics 99% light speed is the equivalent to a billion times light speed in the real world, or was it a writers mistake?
Originally posted by srankmissingninThat's distinct from what occurs here. It is impossible that light speed could be billions of times light speed. Here, it's not impossible that Wolverine does not have bone behind his eye socket or that he has no bone above his throat cavity.
Flash evacuated LA. He was said to be moving 99% c, but calculations done say he would need to be moving a billion times light speed in order to accomplish that task. In DC comics 99% light speed is the equivalent to a billion times light speed in the real world, or was it a writers mistake?And there wasn't significant thought put into the examples because there was no realisation that was happening was anything other than normal.
He's a feral mutant with an already odd bone structure. Separate characters (and Wolverine himself for the eye socket) confirm it. This is not an impossibility, or even a remote possibility, but a confirmed fact supported by actual on-panel instances, some of which have been confirmed by characters' comments.
Whether it's based on an innocent mistake doesn't matter. It's not impossible, which the light speed = billions of light speed is if that is in fact, what happened.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
And confine the conversation to Wolverine, and if you must, Sabretooth. Expanding the inquiry to all Marvel humans changes the object of this discussion.
No it doesn't. Nothing in any of the examples suggests that the anatomy of Wolverine's skull is different than baseline human, in fact according to Rogue her "expertise" of human anatomy, not Wolverine's anatomy but human anatomy, is what afforded her the knowledge that she could stab Wolverine in the brain. That pretty much confirms that Wolverine's skull is standard for marvel. There is no mention of Wolverine missing bones in his skull. There is no mention of Wolverine's skull being an oddity amongst everyone else in marvel. There is nothing that goes to say his skull is different in anyway.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
That's distinct from what occurs here. It is impossible that light speed could be billions of times light speed. Here, it's not impossible that Wolverine does not have bone behind his eye socket or that he has no bone above his throat cavity.He's a feral mutant with an already odd bone structure. Separate characters (and Wolverine himself for the eye socket) confirm it. This is not an impossibility, or even a remote possibility, but a confirmed fact supported by actual on-panel instances, some of which have been confirmed by characters' comments.
Whether it's based on an innocent mistake doesn't matter. It's not impossible, which the light speed = billions of light speed is if that is in fact, what happened.
How is it impossible that light in an alternate realitive moves at a different speed than it does in ours? Your oppinion is that human antomy in marvel is different than human anatomy in the real world... light speed being different in comics than in the real world makes just as much sense.
Any oddities in Wolverine's bone structure are well documented. He has pronounced k9s, claws an a set of linked muscles and trenches in his forearms that normal humans don't have. All document. All stated numerous times... unlike this hair brain phantom bone theory, which apparently Marvel decided conciously but wanted us to all figure it out on our own.
Shit... I died in Naxx writing this. 🙁
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Except all of this on-panel evidence: 😐
Evidence of him being shot in the brain isn't evidence of him missing bones, its evidence of him being shot in the brain. Him missing bones is something you've surmised in order to explain why he was shot in the brain... but luckily for you it doesn't need to be explained because its PIS.
Originally posted by srankmissingninNo. Light speed = billions of times of light speed is literally impossible. Wolverine having no bone behind his eye socket or bone above his throat cavity is possible. It's not just possible, it's been demonstrated. It hasn't just been demonstrated, it's been confirmed. There's a distinction that you won't allow yourself to see because you're too distracted by the fact that Wolverine has an exploitable weakness.
How is it impossible that light in an alternate realitive moves at a different speed than it does in ours? Your oppinion is that human antomy in marvel is different than human anatomy in the real world... light speed being different in comics than in the real world makes just as much sense.
Originally posted by srankmissingninNo. When characters state that no bone is there to stop a bullet, then no, I'm not "surmising" that possibility. When characters state that an explosive round will go straight through the eye socket into the brain, then no, I'm not "surmising" that possibility. And when in fact, a bullet is shot straight through the eye socket and clinks against the back of a skull, then no, I'm not "surmising" that possibility. All I did was read the comic. It's plainly clear what occurs in those scans. It's not PIS. It's IDLI, IDH. Get over it.
Evidence of him being shot in the brain isn't evidence of him missing bones, its evidence of him being shot in the brain. Him missing bones is something you've surmised in order to explain why he was shot in the brain... but luckily for you it doesn't need to be explained because its PIS.
Originally posted by srankmissingninHow many times does something need to happen for it to not be PIS?
Evidence of him being shot in the brain isn't evidence of him missing bones, its evidence of him being shot in the brain. Him missing bones is something you've surmised in order to explain why he was shot in the brain... but luckily for you it doesn't need to be explained because its PIS.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
No. Light speed = billions of times of light speed is literally impossible. Wolverine having no bone behind his eye socket or bone above his throat cavity is possible. It's not just possible, it's been demonstrated. It hasn't just been demonstrated, it's been confirmed. There's a distinction that you won't allow yourself to see because you're too distracted by the fact that Wolverine has an exploitable weakness.
How is it impossible? How is c in DC being a billion times c in the real world an impossibility? It makes just as much sense as human anatomy in Marvel being different than human anatomy in the real world. Why does the speed of light need to remain a constant but human anatomy can change?
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
No. When characters state that no bone is there to stop a bullet, then no, I'm not "surmising" that possibility. When characters state that an explosive round will go straight through the eye socket into the brain, then no, I'm not "surmising" that possibility. And when in fact, a bullet is shot straight through the eye socket and clinks against the back of a skull, then no, I'm not "surmising" that possibility. All I did was read the comic. It's plainly clear what occurs in those scans. It's not PIS. It's IDLI, IDH. Get over it.
Only Wolverine never stated there was no bone there now did he? Saying he isn't sure if an explosive round through the eye into the brain would kill him isn't the same as saying he is missing bones behind his eye... hell it isn't even the same as saying an explosive round could go through the eye in the first place. There is no mention of missing bones at all, the phantom bone theory is something you've surmised to explain something that doesn't need to be explained in order to validated your view on this fight.
Originally posted by Mindset
How many times does something need to happen for it to not be PIS?
and as for the arrow one, in order for it to be possiable he have to have completely different set up for his brain and his skull. becauses the hole for the ear does not go straight across it actuall goes down ward. and around
Originally posted by Mindset
How many times does something need to happen for it to not be PIS?
He's been shot in through the eye once. He's been shot through the nose once. He's been shot through the ear once. He's been shot through... um... something under his jaw once. None of those examples serve to make each other more credible. Getting shot through the eye lends nothing to getting shot through the ear, and so on and so forth.
Originally posted by srankmissingninThey've actively measured light speed and quantified it in DC comics as being 186,282.397 miles per second. It's impossible for that to be billions times it's own number. Whereas it's never been shown that Wolverine has a hole-less skull and it's actually been shown on-panel that Wolverine can have his brain penetrated by projectiles several times and confirmed several times.
How is it impossible? How is c in DC being a billion times c in the real world an impossibility? It makes just as much sense as human anatomy in Marvel being different than human anatomy in the real world. Why does the speed of light need to remain a constant but human anatomy can change?
Originally posted by srankmissingninWolverine says "Straight through the eye into the brain." He's talking about the explosive round itself. It's plainly clear what he means. And the other scan clearly states outright that there is no bone behind the eye socket. This isn't some theory I made up. It's confirmed by on-panel evidence, several times over. Get over it and don't confuse impossibility without evidentiary support with demonstrated possibility with evidentiary support.
Only Wolverine never stated there was no bone there now did he? Saying he isn't sure if an explosive round through the eye into the brain would kill him isn't the same as saying he is missing bones behind his eye... hell it isn't even the same as saying an explosive round [b]could go through the eye in the first place. There is no mention of missing bones at all, the phantom bone theory is something you've surmised to explain something that doesn't need to be explained in order to validated your view on this fight. [/B]
Originally posted by srankmissingninHe's been shot thorugh the eye once and it's been confirmed in two separate instances that it could happen. He's been shot through the throat once and it's been confirmed that it could happen in a separate instance. it doesn't matter how much proof there is. You don't like it, so for you, it didn't happen. Just don't expect anybody else who isn't a die-hard Wolverine fan to place your semantic arguments over on-panel evidence.
He's been shot in through the eye once. He's been shot through the nose once. He's been shot through the ear once. He's been shot through... um... something under his jaw once. None of those examples serve to make each other more credible. Getting shot through the eye lends nothing to getting shot through the ear, and so on and so forth.
