Originally posted by carver9
The thing is, Superman doesnt have light speed reaction and that feat of Nightwings is just the same as Superman or WonderWoman tagging Flash, they have to time it.How about Zoom taking on Superman, Wonder Woman, and GL and all of them were getting STOMPED and it was pretty obvious that Zoom wasnt going the speed of light.
Or how about Cheetah, the none amped one, blitzing Superman.
http://i42.tinypic.com/iejh4x.jpg
I know for a fact that Cheetah aint even blitzing Krillin, let alone Chazoo.
Or how about Grundy blitzing Superman.
http://img46.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=06513_Superman676016_122_125lo.jpg
I guess he can blitz Goku as well huh?
1. Not really, since Superman used speed to catch The Flash. Also, punching someone who's moving fast is different from throwing an object that they unintentionally tie themselves up with.
2. Based on?
3. So you're seeing that as Superman being slow but not as the other character being fast, huh? 😐 If Cheetah really that slow to you, then explain why? And make sure it's a good explanation.
4. Oh sure, let's just focus on that and forget about him doing things like this:
http://img508.imageshack.us/i/rex17yk6.jpg/
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Originally posted by Bro SMASH
1. Not really, since Superman used speed to catch The Flash. Also, punching someone who's moving fast is different from throwing an object that they unintentionally tie themselves up with.2. Based on?
3. So you're seeing that as Superman being slow but not as the other character being fast, huh? 😐 If Cheetah really that slow to you, then explain why? And make sure it's a good explanation.
4. Oh sure, let's just focus on that and forget about him doing things like this:
http://img508.imageshack.us/i/rex17yk6.jpg/
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Its not different; the thing that you need to accept is that flash tend to hold his speed back during combat. Example; like a year or two ago he was pitted against amazo. Flash knowing how powerful amazo is, he still fought him only going mach one. Flash rarely fight anyone going the speed of light or even close to it.
Based on the fact that everyone seen Zoom while he was in mid combat. He wasnt going the speed of light and yet again, he stomped them.
Cheetah isnt slow but again, she isnt close to being dragonball z or regular dragon ball fast. Show me some Cheetah speed feats to make me think that she is anywhere close to Goku speed wise when he was a child. If Cheetah can blitz Superman, Goku would CRUSH him. If Grundy can blitz Superman, GOKU would CRUSH him. If Deathstroke can leave Superman in the dust, GOKU would CRUSH him.
Thats a high feat for Superman and the writer already admitted that he wanted to do something Goku style when he had Superman doing that. Hell, do you remember the Orion and Darkseid fight where they bullrushed each other, blowing up the arena; the writer also stated that he wanted to make a dragonball z style of fighting when he wrote that.
By the way, that Doomsday that you put up was weakining during the fight (Superman admitted this). He was getting slower, weaker, etc... thats why Superman was able to do what he did. Like I said before, Superman has speed, Wonder Woman has speed; Hell, even Wolverine has super speed showings, is it anything like Dragonball, f*** no, but they are fast as hell when it comes to fighting people in their universe (lets not forget that all of them doesnt have CONSISTANT speed showings like Goku or the flash).
Originally posted by Gecko4lif
2 people are fictional charactersperson a and person b
Person a can move faster than an instant teleport
Person b is slower than a standard 9mm bulletWhen person a is fully aware of person b but person b still hits person a against their will what logical conclusion do you draw from it?
The conclusion that I draw from it is that Flash is fast as hell so since people like Nightwing, Batman, Grundy, Despero, Darkseid, Konvikt, Titus, Deathstroke, Robin, Superboy, The General, Shaggyman, Kalibak, along with half of DC hit the flash, that means that everyone in DC possess faster than light reflexes.
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Originally posted by Gecko4lif
2 people are fictional charactersperson a and person b
Person a can move faster than an instant teleport
Person b is slower than a standard 9mm bulletWhen person a is fully aware of person b but person b still hits person a against their will what logical conclusion do you draw from it?
That person B is more intelligent, skilled, cunning, etc.
The estimation that, because person A is faster than person B, person B shouldn't be able to hit person A, and if so, the only conclusion is a change in power dynamic or PIS in evident, is very flawed.
Flash (while using his speed) has been tripped, clotheslined or otherwise had his movement halted various times, by individuals who were substantially slower than himself... all it means is that the person responsible is clever or strong enough to impact him and not be effected by his speed.
Perhaps you could provide a specific event between two people.
Originally posted by carver9The real question is..When did the Nightwing thing happen? Because there was one point when Wally as Flash was barley able to go faster than sound....
The conclusion that I draw from it is that Flash is fast as hell so since people like Nightwing, Batman, Grundy, Despero, Darkseid, Konvikt, Titus, Deathstroke, Robin, Superboy, The General, Shaggyman, Kalibak, along with half of DC hit the flash, that means that everyone in DC possess faster than light reflexes.😆
Originally posted by Gecko4lif
2 people are fictional charactersperson a and person b
Person a can move faster than an instant teleport
Person b is slower than a standard 9mm bulletWhen person a is fully aware of person b but person b still hits person a against their will what logical conclusion do you draw from it?
It's obvious isn't it? Wolverine is faster than Thor therefore Wolverine is faster than light. 😂
/comicfag logic
Originally posted by carver9
Its not different; the thing that you need to accept is that flash tend to hold his speed back during combat. Example; like a year or two ago he was pitted against amazo. Flash knowing how powerful amazo is, he still fought him only going mach one. Flash rarely fight anyone going the speed of light or even close to it.Based on the fact that everyone seen Zoom while he was in mid combat. He wasnt going the speed of light and yet again, he stomped them.
Cheetah isnt slow but again, she isnt close to being dragonball z or regular dragon ball fast. Show me some Cheetah speed feats to make me think that she is anywhere close to Goku speed wise when he was a child. If Cheetah can blitz Superman, Goku would CRUSH him. If Grundy can blitz Superman, GOKU would CRUSH him. If Deathstroke can leave Superman in the dust, GOKU would CRUSH him.
Thats a high feat for Superman and the writer already admitted that he wanted to do something Goku style when he had Superman doing that. Hell, do you remember the Orion and Darkseid fight where they bullrushed each other, blowing up the arena; the writer also stated that he wanted to make a dragonball z style of fighting when he wrote that.
By the way, that Doomsday that you put up was weakining during the fight (Superman admitted this). He was getting slower, weaker, etc... thats why Superman was able to do what he did. Like I said before, Superman has speed, Wonder Woman has speed; Hell, even Wolverine has super speed showings, is it anything like Dragonball, f*** no, but they are fast as hell when it comes to fighting people in their universe (lets not forget that all of them doesnt have CONSISTANT speed showings like Goku or the flash).
1. It is different. Throwing a long object to tie someone who's moving around very fast is a lot different from punching someone who's doing the same thing. Also, what does Flash holding back's got to do with anything?
2. Everyone like who?
3. I can't find any speed feats for Cheetah at this moment however, we can't say she's slower based on your interpretation. Heck, if you're saying she's slow based on her past showings, then you can easily say the same for just about every villain Goku has fought.
Also, you know the Deathstroke thing is BS, right?
4. Yeah, so? They wanted make DBZ style fights, so what?
5. Superman was avoiding his hits before he started weakening. Also, it's not the first time Superman has avoided things at superspeed and it's also not the only time he could vibrate. The fact that he can do the latter shows he's much faster than Goku.
Originally posted by Bro SMASH
1. It is different. Throwing a long object to tie someone who's moving around very fast is a lot different from punching someone who's doing the same thing. Also, what does Flash holding back's got to do with anything?2. Everyone like who?
3. I can't find any speed feats for Cheetah at this moment however, we can't say she's slower based on your interpretation. Heck, if you're saying she's slow based on her past showings, then you can easily say the same for just about every villain Goku has fought.
Also, you know the Deathstroke thing is BS, right?
4. Yeah, so? They wanted make DBZ style fights, so what?
5. Superman was avoiding his hits before he started weakening. Also, it's not the first time Superman has avoided things at superspeed and it's also not the only time he could vibrate. The fact that he can do the latter shows he's much faster than Goku.
😕 HUH? Throwing an object to catch someone that is moving at light speed is MUCH more impressive since it takes aim, coordination, etc....
No you cant say that the Villians Goku fight is slow since every villian Goku has been pitted against has shown super speed while fighting him. Hell, the villians have shown super speed while fighting the other Z fighters. Now show me that speed feat from Cheetah.
Well, the DS thing COULD be BS BUT thats not the only time that has happened to Supes.
Superman was avoiding hits from a being that doesnt have super speed and a being that was weakening every second. That isnt an indication that Superman is faster. Goku fights people daily that possess super speed and beings that is punching at him with tremendous speeds and he is dodging those punches without much trouble. Goku also get numerous of blast shot at him within the second and he is slapping those beams out of the air like nothing with fast, hand speed motion.
Originally posted by Kento
The real question is..When did the Nightwing thing happen? Because there was one point when Wally as Flash was barley able to go faster than sound....
It didnt happen during that time and even if it did, are you suggesting that Nightwing has faster than sound reflexes?
Then, that still dont take away from the thousands of people that has hit the flash. Hell, flash entire rogue is nothing but humans with enhanced weaponry.
Originally posted by carver9
😕 HUH? Throwing an object to catch someone that is moving at light speed is MUCH more impressive since it takes aim, coordination, etc....No you cant say that the Villians Goku fight is slow since every villian Goku has been pitted against has shown super speed while fighting him. Hell, the villians have shown super speed while fighting the other Z fighters. Now show me that speed feat from Cheetah.
Well, the DS thing COULD be BS BUT thats not the only time that has happened to Supes.
Superman was avoiding hits from a being that doesnt have super speed and a being that was weakening every second. That isnt an indication that Superman is faster. Goku fights people daily that possess super speed and beings that is punching at him with tremendous speeds and he is dodging those punches without much trouble. Goku also get numerous of blast shot at him within the second and he is slapping those beams out of the air like nothing with fast, hand speed motion.
1. Throwing a LONG object to catch someone moving fast is more impressive than hitting them with a punch? Come on, man! And who says he was moving at lightspeed?
2. All of that doesn't necessarily matter, going by your own argument. Anybody not showing any speed feats comparable to Goku prior to fighting him must be slower. That's basically where you're going with that argument.
3. What makes you think Doomsday doesn't have superspeed? If he didn't, it wouldn't be worth Superman pointing it out. Also, Superman vibrating through attacks and blast is much faster than what Goku has done. You're also making it seem like Superman's never done those things before. He has so I don't know what your point is.
Originally posted by Bro SMASH
1. Throwing a LONG object to catch someone moving fast is more impressive than hitting them with a punch? Come on, man! And who says he was moving at lightspeed?2. All of that doesn't necessarily matter, going by your own argument. Anybody not showing any speed feats comparable to Goku prior to fighting him must be slower. That's basically where you're going with that argument.
3. What makes you think Doomsday doesn't have superspeed? If he didn't, it wouldn't be worth Superman pointing it out. Also, Superman vibrating through attacks and blast is much faster than what Goku has done. You're also making it seem like Superman's never done those things before. He has so I don't know what your point is.
Show me flash moving at light speed against Superman. It never happened and when it did he left him in the dust.
What villian did goku fight that didnt show any super speed before their fight? Every villian that Goku has fought showed speed before facing Goku.
Show me a Doomsday speed feat. Superman said the same thing about Deathstroke and Darkseid AND lobo. Superman vibrating through a bricks attack isnt much more impressive than Goku, not even close and its a one time high end feat for Superman. The writer made the book for fun so that he can show Superman doing something similar to dragonball. Superman has never done the things that I've mentioned and if he did, show it to me. Show me these energy dodging feats besides that one high end feat that you showed me.
Do you honestly believe that Superman can dodge blast like this? Fast forward it to 1 minute and 33 seconds.
Or show me Superman dodging super speed punches like this...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OCJhkMhnUR0&feature=fvw
Hell, show me Superman dodging super speed punches period. It doesnt even need to be like the scan I just showed.
This is how black hair Goku would treat Superman (Goku is tien).
