Originally posted by carver9How do you know it didn't take place during that time? And most of the Batfamily has dodged bullets after they've been fired. PIS yes, but if Flash was only going sound speed it be a lot less PIS than light speed. Not to mention there isn't any way to tell how fast Wally was traveling anyway.
It didnt happen during that time and even if it did, are you suggesting that Nightwing has faster than sound reflexes?
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Originally posted by Kento
How do you know it didn't take place during that time? And most of the Batfamily has dodged bullets after they've been fired. PIS yes, but if Flash was only going sound speed it be a lot less PIS than light speed. Not to mention there isn't any way to tell how fast Wally was traveling anyway.
I agree and that case can also be used for Superman hitting flash since flash rarely goes his top speed. I dont know why we are talking about this since you have already admitted that its PIS even when Supes hit flash unless you changed your mind about this.
Originally posted by carver9Because using people hitting Flash isn't helping your case of things that are PIS. ...Because Superman being hit by Batman, or Deathstroke moving faster than him and all that other stuff is just the same as Flash being hit by Deathstroke or Batman. Flash might be able to run circles around Clark sure, but Clark can move fast enough to make people seem like statues to him also.
I agree and that case can also be used for Superman hitting flash since flash rarely goes his top speed. I dont know why we are talking about this since you have already admitted that its PIS even when Supes hit flash unless you changed your mind about this.
Originally posted by marwash22
Superman let's people tag him 'cause he knows he can take the hit, he could dodge if he wanted to, but there's no point.Whenever Flash get's tagged, it's because someone did something clever.
So Superman let people tag him huh? So Superman has been koed by Darkseid at least 3 times, why would he let Darkseid hit him?
Superman has been overwhelmed by shaggyman, why would he continue to let shaggyman hit him?
Superman has been KILLED by Doomsday so why would he let Doomsday hit him?
Originally posted by Kento
Because using people hitting Flash isn't helping your case of things that are PIS. ...Because Superman being hit by Batman, or Deathstroke moving faster than him and all that other stuff is just the same as Flash being hit by Deathstroke or Batman. Flash might be able to run circles around Clark sure, but Clark can move fast enough to make people seem like statues to him also.
I know Superman is faster than the people mentioned but again, he doesnt fight anywhere close to DBZ. The people that has tagged Superman wouldnt even lay a finger on frieza. Hell, Superman entire Rogue of Villians wouldnt even see frieza during their fight.
Originally posted by carver9Darkseid has super speed himself.
So Superman let people tag him huh? So Superman has been koed by Darkseid at least 3 times, why would he let Darkseid hit him?Superman has been overwhelmed by shaggyman, why would he continue to let shaggyman hit him?
Superman has been KILLED by Doomsday so why would he let Doomsday hit him?
Shaggyman..who knows. But he always fights the JLA right?
Doomsday in his first appearance was said to be faster than Flash when fighting.. He only got stronger each appearance up until Doomsday Rex.
Originally posted by carver9And half the people who tag Superman wouldn't lay a hand on Superman if he didn't let them. Doesn't make him unable to move faster than he does...
I know Superman is faster than the people mentioned but again, he doesnt fight anywhere close to DBZ. The people that has tagged Superman wouldnt even lay a finger on frieza. Hell, Superman entire Rogue of Villians wouldnt even see frieza during their fight.
Originally posted by TyrantIt's not like one did nothing close, and the other wasn't said by somebody who at has seen Flash fight. Besides I seriously doubt Flash was able to go light speed back then....Cause I don't think Superman can fight at light speed...just close enough it doesn't matter. But he's stronger and faster now than he was then so I don't think he could fight at light speed back then.....
I like how Cell claiming that he can destroy the solar system is hyperbole but someone claiming that Doomsday is faster than Flash isn't.****ing lol. 😂
Originally posted by Kentot
Darkseid has super speed himself.Shaggyman..who knows. But he always fights the JLA right?
Doomsday in his first appearance was said to be faster than Flash when fighting.. He only got stronger each appearance up until Doomsday Rex.
And half the people who tag Superman wouldn't lay a hand on Superman if he didn't let them. Doesn't make him unable to move faster than he does...
I agree, Darkseid does have super speed but again (dont know how many times I have to say this) his speed isnt any where CLOSE to being in a DBZ league.
Shaggyman is a brick.
So you can accept the hyperbole statement of Doomsday being as fast as flash but when it comes to people reading/feeling Frieza powerlevel, claiming that he is a universal threat, you throw that out of the window or when you see a statement saying that Goku is as fast as lightning when he was a child, you throw that out of the window. BIAS.
Again, why would he let someone that is just as strong as him, probably stronger punch him? Why did he let Doomsday kill him? Why did he let Konvikt one shot him? Why did he let despero one shot him?
How fast does Superman moves combat wise beside using his flight?
Originally posted by Kento
It's not like one did nothing close, and the other wasn't said by somebody who at has seen Flash fight. Besides I seriously doubt Flash was able to go light speed back then....Cause I don't think Superman can fight at light speed...just close enough it doesn't matter. But he's stronger and faster now than he was then so I don't think he could fight at light speed back then.....
You know that space flight that you all like to use in reference to Superman combating at light speed, post crisis was doing the exact same thing, space flight. Flash was hitting light speed back then. He got a power drop but it wasnt during that time.
Now show me those scans that make you think that Superman can COMBAT at light speed or even combat on the level of a DBZ character.
Originally posted by carver9No proof is no proof. Art style doesn't mean much.
tI agree, Darkseid does have super speed but again (dont know how many times I have to say this) his speed isnt any where CLOSE to being in a DBZ league.
Shaggyman is a brick.
So you can accept the hyperbole statement of Doomsday being as fast as flash but when it comes to people reading/feeling Frieza powerlevel, claiming that he is a universal threat, you throw that out of the window or when you see a statement saying that Goku is as fast as lightning when he was a child, you throw that out of the window. BIAS.
Again, why would he let someone that is just as strong as him, probably stronger punch him? Why did he let Doomsday kill him? Why did he let Konvikt one shot him? Why did he let despero one shot him?
How fast does Superman moves combat wise beside using his flight?
Yea..and Shaggyman also fights the JLA iirc. And all the heroes (except Batman) are weaker in team books for the most part.
Freeza was only universal threat in the same way Darkseid is without the ALE. They have almost nobody able to stop them. Not that they can destroy the universe. Fighting fast as lightning can easily not be literal...
Doomsday was faster. Konvikt he did let hit him...because he can usually take anything.
Somewhere over sound, and below light speed.... Just like DBZ characters there is no real way to gauge usually.....
Originally posted by TyrantYes a brick blitzing 6 seasoned members of the justice league is impressive blizting Booster Gold before he could say shields up is impressive but its obvious you are trolling showing no proof at all
Blitzing the Justice League is impressive? Blitzing Booster Gold is impessive? LMAO.I guess Goku would be the bane of hyperboles in DC then. 😂
Originally posted by Kento
No proof is no proof. Art style doesn't mean much.Yea..and Shaggyman also fights the JLA iirc. And all the heroes (except Batman) are weaker in team books for the most part.
Freeza was only universal threat in the same way Darkseid is without the ALE. They have almost nobody able to stop them. Not that they can destroy the universe. Fighting fast as lightning can easily not be literal...
Doomsday was faster. Konvikt he did let hit him...because he can usually take anything.
Somewhere over sound, and below light speed.... Just like DBZ characters there is no real way to gauge usually.....
I know art style doesnt mean much but its pretty clear what is going on when you are looking at the DBZ fights. Art style has nothing to do with it. I guess that is why Vegeta said "a minute is like an eternity in a fight like this" or I guess that is why the small 5 minutes frieza and Goku fought it lasted as long as it did.
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OOOOKKKKAAAAYYYYY, a lot of people that doesnt possess super speed fight the JLA, that doesnt make them light speedster or speedsters at all.
Doomsday doesnt have a speed feat under his belt. It was hyperbole unless you accept Cell being able to destroy a universe. Hell, Cell being able to destroy a universe is more of an accurate assumption since DBZ characters are able to read how much power a person possess vs Doomsday being as fast as flash.
We do know one thing, during the regular Dragonball era, Goku was above sound combat wise, DBZ he was much more faster. Take it how you want but I'm pretty sure Goku was at least a couple of thousand times faster than his regular Dragonball era Goku and I am talking about the Goku that fought Nappa.
Originally posted by carver9🙄 I love how you always put me in with people who use Superman bullrushing people to the sun at light speed as combat when I don't. Also like how you don't listen to me saying I don't think Superman can fight at light speed.
You know that space flight that you all like to use in reference to Superman combating at light speed, post crisis was doing the exact same thing, space flight. Flash was hitting light speed back then. He got a power drop but it wasnt during that time.Now show me those scans that make you think that Superman can COMBAT at light speed or even combat on the level of a DBZ character.
😆 What's the point. I can put up Superman blitzing something, and you will just say it's nothing like DBZ.