ANIME Fighters VS AMERICAN Superheros

Originally posted by Endless Mike
Earth-2 Superman didn't seem stronger to me, after all, Earth-1 Supes was the one that survived. Anyway, all that proves is that you would need a physical strength level above Earth-2 Supes to do that in that dimension....

Isn't this the same argument that DBZ fans use when they say yelling to open a dimension is somehow more impressive than doing it some other way? It doesn't really make sense.

It's not nearly as impressive as it used to be. Darkseid and Highfather did it once by combining their power, and that was made to be a huge deal. But now it happens all the time.

No, but as I've already explained, his strongest powers are defensive.

Easily blocking Ryo-Ohki with one hand, who was previously shown to be able to plow straight through a planet-size spaceship with ease? Not to mention that Fuku, who is basically a weaker version of Ryo-Ohki, has as much energy as a small universe.

I've never see him do any of these. I know he can travel to other dimensions and universes, but I've never seen him teleport or time travel. I could be wrong though, so please provide me with scans if you have them.

Arguable

Covered this already

Which is why I say he can't beat Z at this point. Z would have a hell of a time trying to beat him, though.

2. Well, yelling isn't a method of fighting that will work, physical power is. SMP did it physically, to the 5th Dimension, a higher level Dimension than his own, that is the feat, if it was any old dimension, I wouldn't give two shits, but it was a higher dimension.

3. But never by truly weak characters, it is always powerful ones who do, if say...Superman did, I wouldn't care.

4. Exactly, but he has never shown sufficient power to kill SMP.

5. SMP can plow through a planet and explode it, and at 15 moved planets across the universe to spark war, Superman has shown better strength feats than Z.

6. I didn't mean to say he can teleport actually lol, I meant he can travel through dimensions, and he traveled through time by speed when he excaped the Speed Force.

7. IMO, no, Z's best power feat is blowing a planet in half, SMP alters reality with physical power, and destroyed a planet by flying through it.

8. He can teleport, true, but SMP can arguably attack Z before he has the chance.

9. IMO, he has feats that will allow him to pierce his defense, but in fights like these, we would have to see the fight happen to know, so I can just agree to disagree.

Oh, and Broly has better feats than any other DBZ character, and due to his noncanon status, he isn't affected by the A>B>C DBZ power hierarchy. Also, even with speculation, not ONE DBZ character has Broly's durability.

Originally posted by Ryobe Ronin
Cyclops VS Kakashi Sensai

Originally posted by superchron
Mike, I personally have not seen Tenchi in a long time, but of what I do remember, I never saw Z do anything that could really damage SMP. When Monarch exploded, he released the condensed power of Big Bang, and SMP wasn't even hurt

P.S sorry bout the double post

Light Hawk Wings deal damage with direct blows that is sort of the offensive version of their defensive power. It can nullify durability and regeneration, and erase matter from existence. He would have to hit him with the LHW directly, and even if he did it might not work (it's kind of hard to quantify these things, especially against beings as powerful as SMP), but it is a possibility.

1. But when they fought, Kal-L had the upperhand IMO, repelling Supes with a slap, and getting more shots in, and if I remember right, he knocked PC Supes out with a punch, a cheap shot, but that is not small feat.

You think Earth-1 Supes was really going all-out in that fight? IIRC Earth-2's Lois had just died, so Earth-2 Supes was bloodlusted and Earth-1 was not. They were both bloodlusted when they took SBP through Rao, and Earth-1 Superman came out ahead.

2. Well, yelling isn't a method of fighting that will work, physical power is. SMP did it physically, to the 5th Dimension, a higher level Dimension than his own, that is the feat, if it was any old dimension, I wouldn't give two shits, but it was a higher dimension.

Z can travel across the hyperdimension, which has a 5th dimension, as well as a 6th - 11th. He can't go to the 12th (only Kami Tenchi can). The point is that it's not really a quantifiable feat in terms of physical strength. Purely punching, no matter how strong it is, won't open a dimension, so some other kind of power must be involved.

3. But never by truly weak characters, it is always powerful ones who do, if say...Superman did, I wouldn't care.

Well Superman did escape from the Source Wall - not break it though. Since it was stated to be constantly weakening in the time before SMP broke it, I don't really think this is as impressive as you're making it out to be.

4. Exactly, but he has never shown sufficient power to kill SMP.

See my response to superchron.

SMP can plow through a planet and explode it, and at 15 moved planets across the universe to spark war, Superman has shown better strength feats than Z.

I really don't think that beats effortlessly stopping a planet-destroying spaceship with more power than a small universe with one hand.

I didn't mean to say he can teleport actually lol, I meant he can travel through dimensions, and he traveled through time by speed when he excaped the Speed Force.

The speedforce is linked to time travel, though. The Flashes use it to time travel all the time. I don't think that was just his own power.

IMO, no, Z's best power feat is blowing a planet in half, SMP alters reality with physical power, and destroyed a planet by flying through it.

If you mean offensive power, I agree. I was talking about overall power.

BTW, Z's best offensive feat was destroying all of Tokimi's devices with one blast, which were immune to conventional weaponry (again an example of that "Light Hawk Wing offensive properties" that I mentioned to superchron).

Destroying all of those ships at the beginning of the OVA was pretty good, too. He wasn't really using much effort when he attacked the earth, it was just to get Tenchi's attention.

8. He can teleport, true, but SMP can arguably attack Z before he has the chance.

True, but the Light Hawk Wings will protect him.

9. IMO, he has feats that will allow him to pierce his defense, but in fights like these, we would have to see the fight happen to know, so I can just agree to disagree.

Very well then.

Originally posted by Endless Mike
Light Hawk Wings deal damage with direct blows that is sort of the offensive version of their defensive power. It can nullify durability and regeneration, and erase matter from existence. He would have to hit him with the LHW directly, and even if he did it might not work (it's kind of hard to quantify these things, especially against beings as powerful as SMP), but it is a possibility.

You think Earth-1 Supes was really going all-out in that fight? IIRC Earth-2's Lois had just died, so Earth-2 Supes was bloodlusted and Earth-1 was not. They were both bloodlusted when they took SBP through Rao, and Earth-1 Superman came out ahead.

Z can travel across the hyperdimension, which has a 5th dimension, as well as a 6th - 11th. He can't go to the 12th (only Kami Tenchi can). The point is that it's not really a quantifiable feat in terms of physical strength. Purely punching, no matter how strong it is, won't open a dimension, so some other kind of power must be involved.

Well Superman did escape from the Source Wall - not break it though. Since it was stated to be constantly weakening in the time before SMP broke it, I don't really think this is as impressive as you're making it out to be.

2. Supes didnt escape under his own power, he was pulled out by multiple Supergirls. Unless your talking about a separate incident.

3. I think its hard to judge how a Lighthawk wing would effect a character as powerful as SMP whom we haven't seen his upper limits. For all we know, a LHW would effect him the same way the Guardians suicide bomb did. At this point, I think we should say this fight would be a stalemate

Originally posted by superchron
1. The only reason that E1 Supes came out on top was because all three of them were completely depowered so E2 Supes got killed because it was like an old man vs a teenager

He wasn't that old - my dad is over 60 and he can still beat me at arm wrestling.

2. Supes didnt escape under his own power, he was pulled out by multiple Supergirls. Unless your talking about a separate incident.

I believe he was talking about the 5th dimension in Countdown

3. I think its hard to judge how a Lighthawk wing would effect a character as powerful as SMP whom we haven't seen his upper limits. For all we know, a LHW would effect him the same way the Guardians suicide bomb did. At this point, I think we should say this fight would be a stalemate

That's sort of what I think, although it should be pointed out that nothing has ever shown to absorb power from someone else's LHWs (the Chousein and similar entities probably could, but it's never been shown).

Originally posted by Endless Mike
He wasn't that old - my dad is over 60 and he can still beat me at arm wrestling.

I believe he was talking about the 5th dimension in Countdown

That's sort of what I think, although it should be pointed out that nothing has ever shown to absorb power from someone else's LHWs (the Chousein and similar entities probably could, but it's never been shown).

1. WEAKLING!!!!!!!!!!!!!(jk)

2. I was talking about Supes escaping the Source Wall

3. I agree but SMP at full power I dont believe has ever been really wounded.

Originally posted by superchron
1. WEAKLING!!!!!!!!!!!!!(jk)

I can bench about 80 pounds, I'm okay.

2. I was talking about Supes escaping the Source Wall

Sorry, thanks for the clarification.

3. I agree but SMP at full power I dont believe has ever been really wounded.

Z was only wounded:

1. Before he got his powers (but the wounds regenerated as soon as his powers manifested)

and

2. By the berserk Kami Tenchi's power being unleashed which threatened the multiverse

Originally posted by skywalker833
Kakashi, easily.

I agree !!

Superman is the worst Superhero ever. Why because of his writers. He disobeys all of his said weaknesses. And he sucks.

You do realize, we're talking about Superman Prime who is a little bit different from regular Supes

Yeah i know exatcly who Prime is , I love him in Infinite Crisis !!

But in my opnion Gogeta can beat him

First of all, that wan't really directed at you but it's always cool to see some Prime support.

I seriously think your either underestimating Prime, or severely over estimting DBZ. Prime>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>ANything from DBZ

Oh right sorry lol, well yeah, Prime is probably my fav DC character apart from maybe supes himself of course, iv still to read countdown but i know about him ripping off the monarchs armour and then the big bang thing, i know he can move planets but i do think gogeta could beat him, but it would be a good fight !!

Care to provide any reasons and proof on why other than just saying he beats him 😬.He has 2 appearances one in Fusion Reborn and the other at the end of GT and showed nothing in either that says he could even come close to beating SMP.

Well id be going with Gogeta from Fusion reborn since GT isnt canon ! But if it was GT Gogeta than yeh, he deffinately wins in my book !!

I just personally belive that Gogeta is mor epowerful, you cant hate me for that, its not like im sayign " OMG gogeta wud own prime soo bad its not even funny" or anything, just my opinion

Yeah.....Gogeta would basically destroy all the energy in Supermans body with Stardust Breaker or whatever the attack name is(it changed muliple times)

Originally posted by BradBalboa
Well id be going with Gogeta from Fusion reborn since GT isnt canon ! But if it was GT Gogeta than yeh, he deffinately wins in my book !!

I just personally belive that Gogeta is mor epowerful, you cant hate me for that, its not like im sayign " OMG gogeta wud own prime soo bad its not even funny" or anything, just my opinion

Where are you getting this idea anyway? In the movie, he forms this fancy rainbow attack and throws it at Janemba and it kills him....

Janemba was >SSJ3 level, if I had to compare him to a canon character (and I hate doing this, because it almost never works), I would say he was slightly stronger than Kid Buu. I don't see how this is indicative of being able to do anything to SMP

Personnaly i would say Buu is more poweful than Janemba, there in the same league and are very similar in character and powers !!

I guess i cant explain it, i just belive Gogeta is beyond SMP ! can we end it, your not going to change my mind, and its not exatcly important, and its just my opinion

Originally posted by BradBalboa
Personnaly i would say Buu is more poweful than Janemba, there in the same league and are very similar in character and powers !!

I guess i cant explain it, i just belive Gogeta is beyond SMP ! can we end it, your not going to change my mind, and its not exatcly important, and its just my opinion