Never in one comic have i read from super where he has warped a dimension just from powering up or transforming.
Superman is not as fast a goku. Goku IT was galaxy hoping. He hoped Galaxies in meer seconds or minutes. Goku fought Cooler while in IT so yes he can fight in it.
Superman mainly has Durability feats. Thats basically it. If goku goes SSJ4 its just put even a bigger advantagge for him. When Goku fights his power and the tremors are felt in different galaxies and dimensions.
Like in MAjin Buu saga. SSJ3 goku faught Buu. Vegeta said he felt his power level in hell. Otherwords another plain of existence. So i dont understand how people can say Superman is more powerful than goku
Originally posted by Csdabest
Never in one comic have i read from super where he has warped a dimension just from powering up or transforming.
Now I wonder why that is? Could it be because he doesn't power up or transform?
Superman is not as fast a goku. Goku IT was galaxy hoping. He hoped Galaxies in meer seconds or minutes. Goku fought Cooler while in IT so yes he can fight in it.
Sorry, but that's teleportation, not speed, the movies aren't canon, and even in the movie it only worked because Cooler could use it too.
Superman mainly has Durability feats. Thats basically it. If goku goes SSJ4 its just put even a bigger advantagge for him. When Goku fights his power and the tremors are felt in different galaxies and dimensions.
Which only means that the Kaioshins can sense ki over dimensions. It's not exactly quantifiable.
Like in MAjin Buu saga. SSJ3 goku faught Buu. Vegeta said he felt his power level in hell.
Filler.
Otherwords another plain of existence. So i dont understand how people can say Superman is more powerful than goku
Because his actual feats top him easily.
Having other people detect you is not a feat.
Originally posted by Csdabest1. Because Superman does not powerup. However, he has rocked a Solar System while fighting Darkseid. Superman gets to other galaxies in minutes with speed. IT is teleportation, which in CANON, was only used in combat once with a Kamehameha. He fought Cooler in IT since both could do it. And really, Goku's punches won't tickle Superman'c chest.
Never in one comic have i read from super where he has warped a dimension just from powering up or transforming.
Superman is not as fast a goku. Goku IT was galaxy hoping. He hoped Galaxies in meer seconds or minutes. Goku fought Cooler while in IT so yes he can fight in it.Superman mainly has Durability feats. Thats basically it. If goku goes SSJ4 its just put even a bigger advantagge for him. When Goku fights his power and the tremors are felt in different galaxies and dimensions.
Like in MAjin Buu saga. SSJ3 goku faught Buu. Vegeta said he felt his power level in hell. Otherwords another plain of existence. So i dont understand how people can say Superman is more powerful than goku
2. And those durability feats>>>Any damage Goku has been shown to do. And it doesn't matter who the hell can feel his power.
3. Filler. Superman in canon has done things Goku could not dream of doing.
Originally posted by Dark-Jaxx
1. Because Superman does not powerup. However, he has rocked a Solar System while fighting Darkseid. Superman gets to other galaxies in minutes with speed. IT is teleportation, which in CANON, was only used in combat once with a Kamehameha. He fought Cooler in IT since both could do it. And really, Goku's punches won't tickle Superman'c chest.2. And those durability feats>>>Any damage Goku has been shown to do. And it doesn't matter who the hell can feel his power.
3. Filler. Superman in canon has done things Goku could not dream of doing.
You know its funny how you deny feats for one side to up yours. There hasn't been any indication Goku is not able to fight in IT. Just like your including EVERYTHING Superman has ever done from all the different writers and arist and BS plotlines he has went through to support your character. I dont see a reason why the same can't go for goku. The movies can be seen as side story lines. But anyways. There is not reason why goku can;'t IT punch. IT kick iT slam. Since he cant just IT kamehameha IT. Also Goku Punches not hurting superman? Thats a joke. I seen Superman get phased by punches by the likes of Batman and those with lesser strength feats. Back in vegeta vs Goku and Goku vs Freiza their blows were planet shattering. In the sense that a blow would crack islands. And fact is that they when the transform the power and strength greatly multiplies. Goku would break Superman after some ground and pound. Hell Back in DB when goku was just a little boy he took on a Warhead. So one YOU can say that one person who stated that Supes and Darkseid battle Shook a solar system it counts. But when SSJ3 goku simply transforms and powers up that his power his felt throught out the universe not just the Solar system the universe and in different dimensions and planes of living. it means nothing. Your logic is screwed
Filler or not it still happen. Your taking and accounting superman from ALL feats he has ever done from different writers and versions. And thats what has been seen in all the super vs goku arguments. Canon or not I havent seen one thing Goku has not been able to do.
So far I havent seen Superman warp a demension by a simple show of strength or his power, The farther supermans strength or fight has been felt was in a Solar system, while Goku has been felt across the universe and different dimensions and planes of existence, It takes goku minutes to move from one part of a galaxy to another part of a galaxy, while it takes Goku seconds to skip galaxies. Goku is stronger than SSJ3 Gotenks and Gotenks just screamed and punctured a hole in a dimension. Superman gets outclassed. by goku if he goes SSJ2 or higher.
Originally posted by Csdabest👆 👆 👆 so true. there is no reason what soever he cant fight in IT. i love how the supes fanboys flip flop, saying he can survive universe destroying attacks then say that he could be phased by a PBA. what bullshit. saying anything you can to cover your asses.
You know its funny how you deny feats for one side to up yours. There hasn't been any indication Goku is not able to fight in IT. Just like your including EVERYTHING Superman has ever done from all the different writers and arist and BS plotlines he has went through to support your character. I dont see a reason why the same can't go for goku. The movies can be seen as side story lines. But anyways. There is not reason why goku can;'t IT punch. IT kick iT slam. Since he cant just IT kamehameha IT. Also Goku Punches not hurting superman? Thats a joke. I seen Superman get phased by punches by the likes of Batman and those with lesser strength feats. Back in vegeta vs Goku and Goku vs Freiza their blows were planet shattering. In the sense that a blow would crack islands. And fact is that they when the transform the power and strength greatly multiplies. Goku would break Superman after some ground and pound. Hell Back in DB when goku was just a little boy he took on a Warhead. So one YOU can say that one person who stated that Supes and Darkseid battle Shook a solar system it counts. But when SSJ3 goku simply transforms and powers up that his power his felt throught out the universe not just the Solar system the universe and in different dimensions and planes of living. it means nothing. Your logic is screwedFiller or not it still happen. Your taking and accounting superman from ALL feats he has ever done from different writers and versions. And thats what has been seen in all the super vs goku arguments. Canon or not I havent seen one thing Goku has not been able to do.
So far I havent seen Superman warp a demension by a simple show of strength or his power, The farther supermans strength or fight has been felt was in a Solar system, while Goku has been felt across the universe and different dimensions and planes of existence, It takes goku minutes to move from one part of a galaxy to another part of a galaxy, while it takes Goku seconds to skip galaxies. Goku is stronger than SSJ3 Gotenks and Gotenks just screamed and punctured a hole in a dimension. Superman gets outclassed. by goku if he goes SSJ2 or higher.
also he has a point. if you can use different writers for the comics, then the anime is in. thats a different version of supes, therefore a different version of goku must also be allowed. if u use multiple writers not only is the anime in so are the movies. in short, you lose
Originally posted by Csdabestfor the sake of argument, lets never include a dbgt character in any supes vs goku debate. ever.
Never in one comic have i read from super where he has warped a dimension just from powering up or transforming.
Superman is not as fast a goku. Goku IT was galaxy hoping. He hoped Galaxies in meer seconds or minutes. Goku fought Cooler while in IT so yes he can fight in it.Superman mainly has Durability feats. Thats basically it. If goku goes SSJ4 its just put even a bigger advantagge for him. When Goku fights his power and the tremors are felt in different galaxies and dimensions.
Like in MAjin Buu saga. SSJ3 goku faught Buu. Vegeta said he felt his power level in hell. Otherwords another plain of existence. So i dont understand how people can say Superman is more powerful than goku
Come on how in could he fight in IT when it's instant? He doesn't have the reaction speed to fight in something that's instant.
There is a large difference between using different writers for Superman than using different media for Gokou. One's still canon the other isn't. Pre-Crisis Superman, Movie Superman, all the Elseworld Supeman, or Animated Superman are all non-canon just like the movies, Neko Majin, Cross Epoch, and anime version of Gokou are non-canon. Superman's main comics are an ongoing series saying you can't use different writers is just plain stupid.
Originally posted by chickenlover98
👆 👆 👆 so true. there is no reason what soever he cant fight in IT. i love how the supes fanboys flip flop, saying he can survive universe destroying attacks then say that he could be phased by a PBA. what bullshit. saying anything you can to cover your asses.also he has a point. if you can use different writers for the comics, then the anime is in. thats a different version of supes, therefore a different version of goku must also be allowed. if u use multiple writers not only is the anime in so are the movies. in short, you lose
A weakened Supes survives this
http://img111.imageshack.us/my.php?image=deathofthenewgods080260vb0.jpg
Tears a powered up Darkseid in half in 1 shot.
DS comes right back (hey, the guy had a near infinite power up) but still impressive even if DS was at base. The fact that Supes did that to someone who just trapped the SOURCE(think a version of GOD) is very impressive
Originally posted by ankur29
dunno if this has been posted before:from justice league elite
Batman tells batgirl /kasumi that superman will fly to the sun and back in less than a minute:that is at least 16x the speed of light as it takes light just over 8 mins 8 mins to get to the sun , but supes goes to the sun and back in LESS than a ' 1'minute... do the math!
Supes can shatter planets with punches
http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t173/EndlessMike9/Superman/supermanplanetbustinginfinityman.jpg
It should be noted that IT is lightspeed, didn't Goku say, IT is when your body converts in light so he can travel as a lightwave?
Superman is faster>>>>>>IT>>>>>>>>Goku
Also, Superman can hit a baseball through the moon
Superman plays Baseball:
http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/...manbaseball.jpg
http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/...anbaseball1.jpg
http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/...anbaseball2.jpg
http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/...anbaseball3.jpg
When Goku just met Trunks though, isn't that how he described IT, besides, do we really know how far away Namek is?
btw
Superman fights this guy Khyber up in the atmosphere, and their blows shake the earth beneath them. Khyber weakens him with nanites, then throws him through the earth, but he survives and later escapes after spending a long time in the Earth's core:
http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/...sshakeearth.jpg
http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/...ndurability.jpg
http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/...durability1.jpg
http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/...durability2.jpg
http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/...durability3.jpg
http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/...durability4.jpg
http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/...durability5.jpg
http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/...durability6.jpg
It should be noted that the nanites cut off Supermans powers and he drew energy from molten rock, instead of the sun
Originally posted by superchronEven if it was said it's faster than light though I'm not really sure what is said. And Namek is in a different solar system. Who knows how far but still the fact he got there instantly, and back instantly proves it's not light speed. Even if it was in this solar system it would still have to be faster than light to get there and back instantly. The only draw back is the time it takes to concentrate and find a place to lock onto.
When Goku just met Trunks though, isn't that how he described IT, besides, do we really know how far away Namek is?
Originally posted by Kentotechnically its lightspeed. and its cartoon/manga. it doesnt need to be logical
Come on how in could he fight in IT when it's instant? He doesn't have the reaction speed to fight in something that's instant.There is a large difference between using different writers for Superman than using different media for Gokou. One's still canon the other isn't. Pre-Crisis Superman, Movie Superman, all the Elseworld Supeman, or Animated Superman are all non-canon just like the movies, Neko Majin, Cross Epoch, and anime version of Gokou are non-canon. Superman's main comics are an ongoing series saying you can't use different writers is just plain stupid.
