Originally posted by CsdabestPsychics could calm him also. Jean Grey has completely removed Banner from Prof. Hulk before to make him Mindless so he could fight Onslaught but he had to let her. He's also resisted type of mind control before, and making him see stuff that isn't there would just make him a lot more angrier and destructive.
genjutsu from what it seems. Works very differently than actual telekenesis. Genjutsu manipulates the energy/chakra in the body and the senses enabling illusions, hipnoisis,and the ability to control someone. Also has the ability to supress the inner beast.Weapons would work if Chidori works. Sasuke can run chidori giving it its properties and increasing the cutting capacity to its fulless having it run through steel like it not even there. And once it peirces the body it numbs it completely. Sasuke can also run Regular chidori and extend it into a pure Chidori chakra blade up to 15 meters. And if Sasuke uses Amaterasu Which is black flame as hot as the sun that burns for7 days and nights. And burns through anything the user focus's on. Couldn't it burn him to ash and then burn the ashes.
Also. Can The Hulk with Stand a collection of lightning bolts coming down on him in the size area of good size building. I know Hulk has fought thor. But did he take Natural lightning from the heavens. Just wondering.
No Sasuke has to be holding the weapong for it to work. And they aren't going to numb somebody who can heal just make him angrier. There is also the fact Hulk can grab energy so he could probably grab the chidori blade and throw Sasuke. Not to mention those won't stop the thunderclap just leave Sasuke close. And Hulk has taken the heat vision of Gladiator while he was walking towards him. Started to burn through him but that was a weaker Hulk and Hulk's regen and durability both rise with anger..and burning would probably make him very angry.
He's taking lightning from Storm I believe..which would be real lightning.
Originally posted by Endless MikeSasuke vs Savage Hulk...at the moment.
What are we talking about now?
Originally posted by Kento
Psychics could calm him also. Jean Grey has completely removed Banner from Prof. Hulk before to make him Mindless so he could fight Onslaught but he had to let her. He's also resisted type of mind control before, and making him see stuff that isn't there would just make him a lot more angrier and destructive.No Sasuke has to be holding the weapong for it to work. And they aren't going to numb somebody who can heal just make him angrier. There is also the fact Hulk can grab energy so he could probably grab the chidori blade and throw Sasuke. Not to mention those won't stop the thunderclap just leave Sasuke close. And Hulk has taken the heat vision of Gladiator while he was walking towards him. Started to burn through him but that was a weaker Hulk and Hulk's regen and durability both rise with anger..and burning would probably make him very angry.
He's taking lightning from Storm I believe..which would be real lightning.
Sasuke vs Savage Hulk...at the moment.
Different methods. One is Telekensis which you can do alot more. Genjutsu works completely different than it. Telekensis from my understandoing breaks into the mind. Genjutsu actually controls the energy/chakra inside the mind and in the body. Differen't methods. And Since Hulk doesnt have much control I doubt he could break out oif it. Also Sharingan genjutsu is soo subtle he wouldn;t even notice until it was too late.
Sasuke doesnt have to be holding the weapon.
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/387/12/
This is a perfect example. His charged chidori into a windmill shuriken and tossed it and it was still chidoried powered. Also happened in the dei fight with his sword. Also Healing wont effect if you go numb. it effects the nervous system and isnt really any damage. Last time I checked hulk can still get K.O.ed and effected by Tranqs. So there is some stuff he wont heal from. Also grabbing energy and grabbing elemetenal affinity chakra is different. Or elemental attacks. So i doubt he would actually grab hold of it. Specially a chidori blade that can cut through anything since is increases cutting potential in the blade. If he tried he most likely get his finegr severed off.
Amaterasu is different the gladiators heat vision. I dont think the Gladiators heat vision is hotter than the sun. Amaterasu is and continues to burn for seven days and nights until the user puts it out. This is the same flame that instantly burned through intense flames it self and instantly burned through the fire stone toad stomach. A creatures the breathe and holds fire in its stomache.
Thing with storms lightning is its a single lightning bolt. Kirin is a huge gigantic collection of lightning bolts channgled into an attack. So at the same time it coiuld compare but strength wise it doesnt since kirin is a collection and storm hasnt been shown to focus a bunch of lightning bolts into one superchagred giant one.
Originally posted by CsdabestTelekinesis is the power to move things with your mind. It's telepathy which can do the exact same thing the sharingan does to the brain. Trap them in illusions, control them, and a lot of other stuff. Hulk's highly resistant to it. Also genjutsu won't really do anything but delay the inevitable making Hulk angrier. It's Hulk's stamina versus Sasuke's chakra and the sharingan uses up a lot of chakra. One's going to give out before the other and I'd bet it won't be Hulk then it'll be Sasuke powerless against a extremely angry Hulk. Not such a smart move. Hulk can be koed but it all depends on how calm he is on what he can take and do. Hulk's also broke out of something that disrupts his whole nervous system so Sasuke's little electric attack isn't going to cut it to stop Hulk for long if at all.
Different methods. One is Telekensis which you can do alot more. Genjutsu works completely different than it. Telekensis from my understandoing breaks into the mind. Genjutsu actually controls the energy/chakra inside the mind and in the body. Differen't methods. And Since Hulk doesnt have much control I doubt he could break out oif it. Also Sharingan genjutsu is soo subtle he wouldn;t even notice until it was too late.Sasuke doesnt have to be holding the weapon.
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/387/12/
This is a perfect example. His charged chidori into a windmill shuriken and tossed it and it was still chidoried powered. Also happened in the dei fight with his sword. Also Healing wont effect if you go numb. it effects the nervous system and isnt really any damage. Last time I checked hulk can still get K.O.ed and effected by Tranqs. So there is some stuff he wont heal from. Also grabbing energy and grabbing elemetenal affinity chakra is different. Or elemental attacks. So i doubt he would actually grab hold of it. Specially a chidori blade that can cut through anything since is increases cutting potential in the blade. If he tried he most likely get his finegr severed off.Amaterasu is different the gladiators heat vision. I dont think the Gladiators heat vision is hotter than the sun. Amaterasu is and continues to burn for seven days and nights until the user puts it out. This is the same flame that instantly burned through intense flames it self and instantly burned through the fire stone toad stomach. A creatures the breathe and holds fire in its stomache.
Thing with storms lightning is its a single lightning bolt. Kirin is a huge gigantic collection of lightning bolts channgled into an attack. So at the same time it coiuld compare but strength wise it doesnt since kirin is a collection and storm hasnt been shown to focus a bunch of lightning bolts into one superchagred giant one.
I thought you were talking about when he extended the chidori out and hit Orochimaru. And Hulk's grabbed a guy that was electricity, and he's grabbed a forcefield and stretched it. Hulk's feats are pretty..out there for a guy who is suppose to only have super strength. Using the sword would be suicide since the numbing thing isn't going to work..or at least not for very long if it does, and Sasuke's going to be up close to somebody who he just made angry and didn't want to. Sasuke's best bet to win is to not fight but let him be and try to befriend him..But that's not really Sasuke's thing.
Hulk has survived the hottest temps on Earth unharmed, the one that Glad's heat vision had trouble getting through was a Hulk with weaker durability than normal if I recall. There isn't anyway to know if Amaterasu could burn him..but you also have to realize Hulk gets more durable as he gets angry along with healing faster. Everything really depends on how angry Hulk is.
Kirin also take a while to work..Hulk isn't going to be sitting there while he gathers it...And Kirin is also only as fast as lightning so he should be able to react if he can hit Quicksilver.
Originally posted by Kento
Telekinesis is the power to move things with your mind. It's telepathy which can do the exact same thing the sharingan does to the brain. Trap them in illusions, control them, and a lot of other stuff. Hulk's highly resistant to it. Also genjutsu won't really do anything but delay the inevitable making Hulk angrier. It's Hulk's stamina versus Sasuke's chakra and the sharingan uses up a lot of chakra. One's going to give out before the other and I'd bet it won't be Hulk then it'll be Sasuke powerless against a extremely angry Hulk. Not such a smart move. Hulk can be koed but it all depends on how calm he is on what he can take and do. Hulk's also broke out of something that disrupts his whole nervous system so Sasuke's little electric attack isn't going to cut it to stop Hulk for long if at all.I thought you were talking about when he extended the chidori out and hit Orochimaru. And Hulk's grabbed a guy that was electricity, and he's grabbed a forcefield and stretched it. Hulk's feats are pretty..out there for a guy who is suppose to only have super strength. Using the sword would be suicide since the numbing thing isn't going to work..or at least not for very long if it does, and Sasuke's going to be up close to somebody who he just made angry and didn't want to. Sasuke's best bet to win is to not fight but let him be and try to befriend him..But that's not really Sasuke's thing.
Hulk has survived the hottest temps on Earth unharmed, the one that Glad's heat vision had trouble getting through was a Hulk with weaker durability than normal if I recall. There isn't anyway to know if Amaterasu could burn him..but you also have to realize Hulk gets more durable as he gets angry along with healing faster. Everything really depends on how angry Hulk is.
Kirin also take a while to work..Hulk isn't going to be sitting there while he gathers it...And Kirin is also only as fast as lightning so he should be able to react if he can hit Quicksilver.
Genjutsu is not telekenesis or telepathy in anyay. also Sharingan only takes alot of chakra up if the person isnt of the Uchiha Clan. For a true Uchiha using the Sharingan is only a drop in the bucket. So it wont be anytime soon. Genjutsu works way differently than ANy TK or TP. The bodies has its mechnism's and genjutsu litterally operates manipulates them mechnism in the body and the brain. Controlling the flow of chakra'energy in the brain. It's been shown to shut the whole body down.(The Mass genjutsu at the Chuunin Exams. When it comes to manipulating the mind and body and not actual movement with the mind Genjutsu is way more effective than TK or Telepathy. If Sasuke is directly manipulating the energy in the hulk's body in his nervous sytem he should be able to shut him down. Just in reverse i dont think a high level genjutsu user can really resister telepathy sense the method is different.
The temperature's of earth is nothing compared to that of the sun. And I seen The Hulk get burned to a chunks of Charcol with something that looked like it was less temperature's than the sun. So yes sasuke amaterasu should be able to burn and destroy the hulk to ashes and destroy the ashes as well. But that depends if Hulk can regenerate from Ashes.
Also I wasnt expecting the Hulk to to submit to chidori variants numming power for ever. Even Yammato was able to get pass the numbing after some time.
Also. I remeber when the Hulk Hit Quicksilver. Him hitting him doesnt mean he will move or escape Kirin. The hulk is not faster than a 100 times faster than the speed of sound.
Also. I don't really See the hulk touching Sasuke physically. since Sasuke is super fast. And with Shunshin he is faster than the speed of Sound. Power with Sharingan and he is able to predict every physical move the Hulk will ever make. His best bet is with his thunderclap. But Sasuke was already able to beat Zaku Supersonic Air waves while carrying dead weight. Which means he was able to realize and react and move faster while carrying deadweight in a mere instant.
And the sound barrier. Once someone breaks the sounds barrier they are uneffected by sound waves. Since they are moving and or vibratingfaster than the sound over shadowing the pitch and or wave.So if the hulk attempts to go for the attack sasuke could use Shunshin to evade the thunder clap. But that would depend soley if sasuke knew what the move was. But if Sasuke gains the Space time Ability which will hopefully be revealed in the next few chapters hopefully. Then I wonder how the Hulk would fair. Having peaices of his bodies being ripped of and sent to another Dimension. Also Once its fully confirmed that Sasuke has Itachi's dojutsu. Then Sasuke would definetly win with ease. Cuz if some miraculous way he was able to full recover from Amaterasu or fight pass Tsukiyomi or have a strong enough will to get pass the effects of Tsukiyomi. He is not surviving Susano'o
Originally posted by Endless Mike
What the hell? That's retarded. Hulk kills everyone in the Narutoverse with a flick of his pinky finger.
Has to touch them first. And it quite possible he'll get genjutsu raped. Or burned to a crisp with Amaterasu. Or get K.O.ed with Tsukiyomi. Or sealed away for enternity with Susano'o.
Originally posted by CsdabestItachi couldn't use Tsukiyomi then Amaterasu twice in the same day without using up a lot of chakra. Sasuke doesn't seem to keep his chakra long in battles either. He nearly ran out in the Deidara fight, and he completely ran out in the Itachi fight.
Genjutsu is not telekenesis or telepathy in anyay. also Sharingan only takes alot of chakra up if the person isnt of the Uchiha Clan. For a true Uchiha using the Sharingan is only a drop in the bucket. So it wont be anytime soon. Genjutsu works way differently than ANy TK or TP. The bodies has its mechnism's and genjutsu litterally operates manipulates them mechnism in the body and the brain. Controlling the flow of chakra'energy in the brain. It's been shown to shut the whole body down.(The Mass genjutsu at the Chuunin Exams. When it comes to manipulating the mind and body and not actual movement with the mind Genjutsu is way more effective than TK or Telepathy. If Sasuke is directly manipulating the energy in the hulk's body in his nervous sytem he should be able to shut him down. Just in reverse i dont think a high level genjutsu user can really resister telepathy sense the method is different.The temperature's of earth is nothing compared to that of the sun. And I seen The Hulk get burned to a chunks of Charcol with something that looked like it was less temperature's than the sun. So yes sasuke amaterasu should be able to burn and destroy the hulk to ashes and destroy the ashes as well. But that depends if Hulk can regenerate from Ashes.
Also I wasnt expecting the Hulk to to submit to chidori variants numming power for ever. Even Yammato was able to get pass the numbing after some time.
Also. I remeber when the Hulk Hit Quicksilver. Him hitting him doesnt mean he will move or escape Kirin. The hulk is not faster than a 100 times faster than the speed of sound.
Also. I don't really See the hulk touching Sasuke physically. since Sasuke is super fast. And with Shunshin he is faster than the speed of Sound. Power with Sharingan and he is able to predict every physical move the Hulk will ever make. His best bet is with his thunderclap. But Sasuke was already able to beat Zaku Supersonic Air waves while carrying dead weight. Which means he was able to realize and react and move faster while carrying deadweight in a mere instant.
And the sound barrier. Once someone breaks the sounds barrier they are uneffected by sound waves. Since they are moving and or vibratingfaster than the sound over shadowing the pitch and or wave.So if the hulk attempts to go for the attack sasuke could use Shunshin to evade the thunder clap. But that would depend soley if sasuke knew what the move was. But if Sasuke gains the Space time Ability which will hopefully be revealed in the next few chapters hopefully. Then I wonder how the Hulk would fair. Having peaices of his bodies being ripped of and sent to another Dimension. Also Once its fully confirmed that Sasuke has Itachi's dojutsu. Then Sasuke would definetly win with ease. Cuz if some miraculous way he was able to full recover from Amaterasu or fight pass Tsukiyomi or have a strong enough will to get pass the effects of Tsukiyomi. He is not surviving Susano'o
Controlling the person to do stuff, and their emotions would be exactly like telepathy. It would involve messing with the brain not just the chakra. Putting him in a illusion is the only thing that I can see Sasuke actually doing with his sharingan..besides seeing him move before he does. But Hulk doesn't really have to hit Sasuke when he can just destroying everything around making it hard for Sasuke to do anything.
Like I said it all depends on how angry Hulk is. And the heat wasn't generated by some hot place on Earth it was the Leader trying to test Hulk's limits.
Yamato had the wood to help him, and only a tip of the sword inside him. And if he can get past it then Hulk won't be effected at all.
All Kirin would do was put a hole in Hulk..that would heal up instantly and if Sasuke's hand is in the way Sasuke is going to be stuck in Hulk.
Omni-directional, plus the shockwave that has destroyed forests pretty much equals Sasuke isn't dodging it even if he can't hear the sound. He'll hear it after the shockwave hit him and stops him. Not to mention Hulk can do anything Sakura can with the destroying of the ground..except he's got the strength to destroy Earth. So Sasuke's got that to deal with also. And there is nothing that Sasuke has in his arsenal that is going to stop Hulk while the same can't be said for Sasuke.
Hulk does have the will to fight pass Tsukiyomi and to be unaffected. Amaterasu is up to debate but Sasuke's control over it is also up for debate. Susanoo would have to hit, and that would probably just end up bringing out another Hulk instead.
Originally posted by Kento
Itachi couldn't use Tsukiyomi then Amaterasu twice in the same day without using up a lot of chakra. Sasuke doesn't seem to keep his chakra long in battles either. He nearly ran out in the Deidara fight, and he completely ran out in the Itachi fight.Controlling the person to do stuff, and their emotions would be exactly like telepathy. It would involve messing with the brain not just the chakra. Putting him in a illusion is the only thing that I can see Sasuke actually doing with his sharingan..besides seeing him move before he does. But Hulk doesn't really have to hit Sasuke when he can just destroying everything around making it hard for Sasuke to do anything.
Like I said it all depends on how angry Hulk is. And the heat wasn't generated by some hot place on Earth it was the Leader trying to test Hulk's limits.
Yamato had the wood to help him, and only a tip of the sword inside him. And if he can get past it then Hulk won't be effected at all.
All Kirin would do was put a hole in Hulk..that would heal up instantly and if Sasuke's hand is in the way Sasuke is going to be stuck in Hulk.
Omni-directional, plus the shockwave that has destroyed forests pretty much equals Sasuke isn't dodging it even if he can't hear the sound. He'll hear it after the shockwave hit him and stops him. Not to mention Hulk can do anything Sakura can with the destroying of the ground..except he's got the strength to destroy Earth. So Sasuke's got that to deal with also. And there is nothing that Sasuke has in his arsenal that is going to stop Hulk while the same can't be said for Sasuke.
Hulk does have the will to fight pass Tsukiyomi and to be unaffected. Amaterasu is up to debate but Sasuke's control over it is also up for debate. Susanoo would have to hit, and that would probably just end up bringing out another Hulk instead.
Thats Mangekyou Sharingan Jutsu's. Having it activated is only a drop in the bucket. But the actual MS jutsu take up alot of chakra. Itachi last fight. He performed Tsukiyomi(1) Amaterasu(2) Susano'o(1) And this was after he had used alot of other jutsu's as well. And Sasuke has a shit load of Chakra. He fought two S class ninja going out in less than 24/hours. He was even completely healed and regained his stamina in chakra yet and he still performed the way he did in the battle.
Telepathy is suggesting and prying into their brains. Genjutsu is actually messing with the chakra/energy in their body. Once again its completely different. It might be the same result. But the way it done its different. And Genjutsu method seems to be more effetive. Since its actually controlling the energy that is controlling the thought. The only way to get pass this is for outside interference to knock you out or stop the caster. Or to disrupt your own energy iny ou body drasticly. Last i check The Hulk doesnt have that type of inner control. The hole basis of Hulk getting past Genjutsu is that he can get past Telepathy which is completely different than genjutsu in method. Just like there are different methods in math. You may be able to get the same results but their is a more efficient and better way. telepathy=suggesting thoughts and prying into the brain. Genjutsu=controlling energy/chakra in the person nervous system to manipulate their body. Its almost like having the remote control to a remote control car.
The hottest place on the earth is the earth Core last time I checked and the statement you just made made it seem like it wasnt the earth core. The Sun is 13,600,000 kelvin. While the earth core is 5000 degrees Celsius. The sun is many times hotter than The earth. It can't even be compared. The Sun surface temp is over 3 times hotter. So there is no doubt that Amaterasu which is said to be hotter than the sun it would burn through The Hulk if he still got burnt by what is considered to be the earths hottest temperature. And if its on him for 7 days. Then there will be nothing left of the hulk.
Yammato was pinned down for quite some time. When I look back at the chapter. It deactivated and was no longer numbing him cuz Sasuke's was busy supressing the 9-tail fox.
Kirin would either A) Oblierate The Hulk. B) Knock him out with the force generated. K.O.ing him. Specially since its comming down on him and most likely would hit his head. So he should get K.O.ed
Sasuke was able to get past Zaku Supersonic Blast and remain uneffected by the shockwave. This same shock wave was the same one that Put a giant hole in the forest. Difference is it was one direction while the hulk was omnidirectional.
I doubt the hulk would get the chance to destroy the planet. For one he has to get highly pissed off and i doubt he going to be pissed off right from the get go. And By that time Sasuke would have already had him Genjutsu K.O.ed Either by genjutsu effects or simply shutting down his nervous system K.O.ing him.
Im not talking about during Tsukiyomi. Maybe after. He will be feeling 72 hours worth of damage and torture in less than a second. Where the user controls time,space and mass. The hulk will literally be at Sasuke whim. It gives the user so much control in the realm that one secound would be equvielent to basically ten minutes of torture by slowing down time in the realm. The move is insane. I dont know if the instant shock of death will kill Hulk. But the Hulk will be feeling the pain for some bit after being inflicted with over 72 hours worth of pain in a instant.
It really Isnt. People just look to deeply into the words. And dont like seperating statements. Itachi transferred all his eye jutsu into him. Then rigged Amaterasu to go off at the sight of Madara;s sharingan. It doesnt say just for that case. Two seperate statements. Sasuke already used a genjutsu that HIGHLY looked like Tsukyomi to render effect the victim. And it would be dumb to say he can use one but not the other after the manga has stated they were transferred.
Susano'o would most likely hit because it's not a slow move. It a walking jiggernaut that was able to slice apart 8 7 seperent heads from The Hydra Yamata very swiftly. If the hulk gets hit by it. he gets sealed away inside the sword for all enternity to remain in a blissful realm of genjutsu till the end of time. he will literallu get sucked into the sword being sealed away into the Sake bottle looking thing. And would be gone.
Originally posted by Endless Mike
Xavier couldn't mess with his head, Torch's nova flames couldn't hurt him, and he has multiple souls so Susanoo won't work. Hulk punches the ground and the planet explodes.
Xavier telepathy is way different than Genjutsu. Telepathy is prying and forcing your way into the person thoughts. Genjutsu is actually manipulating the energy within the body nervous system. I have seen Torches Flame hurt hulk and they werent even Nova. If he did survive. It priobably was the Charcole hulk situation your talking about. Where he regenerated from charcole. That doesnt equal not being hurt. Its regeneration.
What makes you think susano'o wont work cuz he has multiple souls. It cuts his body and his entire being gets dragged into the genjutsu realm. Body, mind, soul(s). What exactly is he going to come back from.
You also forget Orochimaru who had multiple souls in him due to his soul transfer jutsu. was till sealed away. So the hulk will still get sucked away by Susanoo.
The hulk doesn't start off with Crazy endurance and planet busting punches. His anger has to build up to that level. Which by then he would either be A) Burning to a crisp for 7 days under Amaterasu. B) K.O.ed From Karin C)K.O. or slowed down for abit by tsukiyomi. D) Genjutsu Raped E)Sealed away for enternity by Susano'o.
Originally posted by CsdabestHaving the MS activated isn't going to help none at all. He's going to have to use jutsu. Sasuke's fights weren't that impressive. He could completely null anything Deidara did, and Itachi wasn't even trying. And he rested up between the fights meaning he got all his strength back anyway.
Thats Mangekyou Sharingan Jutsu's. Having it activated is only a drop in the bucket. But the actual MS jutsu take up alot of chakra. Itachi last fight. He performed Tsukiyomi(1) Amaterasu(2) Susano'o(1) And this was after he had used alot of other jutsu's as well. And Sasuke has a shit load of Chakra. He fought two S class ninja going out in less than 24/hours. He was even completely healed and regained his stamina in chakra yet and he still performed the way he did in the battle.Telepathy is suggesting and prying into their brains. Genjutsu is actually messing with the chakra/energy in their body. Once again its completely different. It might be the same result. But the way it done its different. And Genjutsu method seems to be more effetive. Since its actually controlling the energy that is controlling the thought. The only way to get pass this is for outside interference to knock you out or stop the caster. Or to disrupt your own energy iny ou body drasticly. Last i check The Hulk doesnt have that type of inner control. The hole basis of Hulk getting past Genjutsu is that he can get past Telepathy which is completely different than genjutsu in method. Just like there are different methods in math. You may be able to get the same results but their is a more efficient and better way. telepathy=suggesting thoughts and prying into the brain. Genjutsu=controlling energy/chakra in the person nervous system to manipulate their body. Its almost like having the remote control to a remote control car.
The hottest place on the earth is the earth Core last time I checked and the statement you just made made it seem like it wasnt the earth core. The Sun is 13,600,000 kelvin. While the earth core is 5000 degrees Celsius. The sun is many times hotter than The earth. It can't even be compared. The Sun surface temp is over 3 times hotter. So there is no doubt that Amaterasu which is said to be hotter than the sun it would burn through The Hulk if he still got burnt by what is considered to be the earths hottest temperature. And if its on him for 7 days. Then there will be nothing left of the hulk.
Yammato was pinned down for quite some time. When I look back at the chapter. It deactivated and was no longer numbing him cuz Sasuke's was busy supressing the 9-tail fox.
Kirin would either A) Oblierate The Hulk. B) Knock him out with the force generated. K.O.ing him. Specially since its comming down on him and most likely would hit his head. So he should get K.O.ed
Sasuke was able to get past Zaku Supersonic Blast and remain uneffected by the shockwave. This same shock wave was the same one that Put a giant hole in the forest. Difference is it was one direction while the hulk was omnidirectional.
I doubt the hulk would get the chance to destroy the planet. For one he has to get highly pissed off and i doubt he going to be pissed off right from the get go. And By that time Sasuke would have already had him Genjutsu K.O.ed Either by genjutsu effects or simply shutting down his nervous system K.O.ing him.
Im not talking about during Tsukiyomi. Maybe after. He will be feeling 72 hours worth of damage and torture in less than a second. Where the user controls time,space and mass. The hulk will literally be at Sasuke whim. It gives the user so much control in the realm that one secound would be equvielent to basically ten minutes of torture by slowing down time in the realm. The move is insane. I dont know if the instant shock of death will kill Hulk. But the Hulk will be feeling the pain for some bit after being inflicted with over 72 hours worth of pain in a instant.
It really Isnt. People just look to deeply into the words. And dont like seperating statements. Itachi transferred all his eye jutsu into him. Then rigged Amaterasu to go off at the sight of Madara;s sharingan. It doesnt say just for that case. Two seperate statements. Sasuke already used a genjutsu that HIGHLY looked like Tsukyomi to render effect the victim. And it would be dumb to say he can use one but not the other after the manga has stated they were transferred.
Susano'o would most likely hit because it's not a slow move. It a walking jiggernaut that was able to slice apart 8 7 seperent heads from The Hydra Yamata very swiftly. If the hulk gets hit by it. he gets sealed away inside the sword for all enternity to remain in a blissful realm of genjutsu till the end of time. he will literallu get sucked into the sword being sealed away into the Sake bottle looking thing. And would be gone.
Trapping Hulk in a genjutsu is the only way to win...But trying to control him and calm him aren't going to work. It never has. And Tsukiyomi doesn't last that long so it won't be enough time to be considered a win. A normal genjutsu just makes people see things that aren't there..which won't help when Hulk is smashing everything.
Hulk wasn't burnt...He took it unharmed. He's also survived re-entry to Earth, survived the cold of space, and has taken the Human Torches attacks. What effects him all depends on how calm he is and in a fight he isn't going to be exactly calm. And there is nothing to suggest it can't be put out just that it can burn other fire.
He wasn't pinned down for that long...The whole Kyuubi/Naruto/Sasuke thing didn't take that long. And Hulk has overpowered things that disrupt his nervous system so something that numbs him isn't going to be much of anything.
Hulk's been hit by attacks strong enough to destroy cities by a guy made of electricity..Kirin isn't going to ko him or kill him.
To bad Zaku's wasn't as powerful, nor omni-directional. All he had to do was get out of the way of something he could see. Hulk's shockwaves have destroyed forest, knocked back a energy attack that destroyed a dimension, and has said to be more powerful than any hurricane recorded. Not to mention it's not exactly something you can see.
He isn't going to be shutting down Hulk's nervous system when Hulk's overpowered a machine that did that, and most genjutsu are easily beaten and if it's tsukiyomi that lasts about a second and it wouldn't have the effect of koing Hulk as it had with Kakashi and Sasuke. Heck Hulk's will is a lot stronger than Sasuke's it may end up backlashing onto Sasuke.
Making Hulk feel pain will just make him angrier, and confused, and more destructiive. He's not going to be driven insane and his will isn't easily broken.
Um we still have no idea how much control Sasuke has over Amaterasu. Amaterasu and Kakashi's attack are the exact same in execution. The only difference is what they are. So it's not just look and hit.
Susanoo hit something that was large, and not trying to dodge. It doesn't exactly showcase any speed at all.
And Hulk can get crazy durability and strength instantly...it doesn't take time.
Originally posted by Kento
Having the MS activated isn't going to help none at all. He's going to have to use jutsu. Sasuke's fights weren't that impressive. He could completely null anything Deidara did, and Itachi wasn't even trying. And he rested up between the fights meaning he got all his strength back anyway.Trapping Hulk in a genjutsu is the only way to win...But trying to control him and calm him aren't going to work. It never has. And Tsukiyomi doesn't last that long so it won't be enough time to be considered a win. A normal genjutsu just makes people see things that aren't there..which won't help when Hulk is smashing everything.
Hulk wasn't burnt...He took it unharmed. He's also survived re-entry to Earth, survived the cold of space, and has taken the Human Torches attacks. What effects him all depends on how calm he is and in a fight he isn't going to be exactly calm. And there is nothing to suggest it can't be put out just that it can burn other fire.
He wasn't pinned down for that long...The whole Kyuubi/Naruto/Sasuke thing didn't take that long. And Hulk has overpowered things that disrupt his nervous system so something that numbs him isn't going to be much of anything.
Hulk's been hit by attacks strong enough to destroy cities by a guy made of electricity..Kirin isn't going to ko him or kill him.
To bad Zaku's wasn't as powerful, nor omni-directional. All he had to do was get out of the way of something he could see. Hulk's shockwaves have destroyed forest, knocked back a energy attack that destroyed a dimension, and has said to be more powerful than any hurricane recorded. Not to mention it's not exactly something you can see.
He isn't going to be shutting down Hulk's nervous system when Hulk's overpowered a machine that did that, and most genjutsu are easily beaten and if it's tsukiyomi that lasts about a second and it wouldn't have the effect of koing Hulk as it had with Kakashi and Sasuke. Heck Hulk's will is a lot stronger than Sasuke's it may end up backlashing onto Sasuke.
Making Hulk feel pain will just make him angrier, and confused, and more destructiive. He's not going to be driven insane and his will isn't easily broken.
Um we still have no idea how much control Sasuke has over Amaterasu. Amaterasu and Kakashi's attack are the exact same in execution. The only difference is what they are. So it's not just look and hit.
Susanoo hit something that was large, and not trying to dodge. It doesn't exactly showcase any speed at all.
And Hulk can get crazy durability and strength instantly...it doesn't take time.
1. Amaterasu, Tsukiyomi, and Susano'o are his MS jutsu. Either one can get him a victory with Tsukiyomi being the hardest to gain victory from. But he can still cast very effective regular genjutsu. with out MS. So there is no point in debating how much strength he needs. Regular Sharingan and its abilities are only a drop in the bucket.
2. Its still quite possible. He could calm him down. But shutting down his anger urges seasing his agresssion. Just like he did with Juugo. If he can control the energy in his nervous system. The hulk doesnt have a defense against that so sasuke could manipulate the energy in his body to stop him from sensing pain. Or make him feel exreme pressure stoping his rampamge. Or just shut him off. Genjutsu has been shown to do this,
3. According to the Databooks strictly written by kishimoto that its hotter than the sun and is an inexstinguishable flame that burns for seven days and nights. Flames to be said to come from the pits of hell. Earth reentry is still nothing compared to the temperatures of the sun. And I have seen hulk burnt to charcal while he seemed to be highly pissed off. With temperatures that were no were near that of the sun. But he regenerated in the end.
4. Says who. Kirin is lightning gathered from the heavens and is natural lightning. Not human made lightning. Kirin is conentrated lightning and not unconcentrated for a direct attack. And as you said hulk is strength and durability depends on how angry he is. And i bet he was super pissed off from fighting the guy.
5. You can't see air. The attack isnt omni directional and was focus into one direction. It destroyed everything in its path. So to say one is stronger than the pother doesn't work work. But i do give Hulk the feat for his attack being omni directional.
6. What machines have done that. there is nothing suggesting that Sasuke can't shut down the nervous system which it has been shown to do so many times. And Tsukiyomi. last 1 second in the real word. The mind goes through 72 hours of torture at the users whim of his controlling all space time and amss. Once it is over all experience rushes into the person in a mer instant all at once.
Will has nothing to do with fighting back Tsukiyomi. Or surviving genjtsu. All a strong will would do is give him the ability to be able to keep going on after he has gotten genjutsu raped.
Genjutsu al has the person mine commiting actions. Could make him feel like he was having a full fledge fight. But in reality they haven't moved an inch.
The only similiarties between Kakashi and amaterasu is that they both use MS, have to focus on the user. The properties are very different.
The hulk isnt that small either. And not that fast. And most likely the hulk in blind rage will try and attack Susano'o head on. Only for his attacks to hit Susano'o mirror abnd get reverse back on him. Full force. And if that doesnt work. Susano'o will most likely stab the hulk. Susano'o sword strike was fast enough to interupt Orochimaru's mid sentence and there was a huge distance between the two. So Susano'o is not that slow. And the Hulk fro,m what i seen. usually takes attacks head on. So ic the hulk wpould most likely try to overpower Susano'o which i dont see happeniong
Originally posted by CsdabestAll the genjutsu Sasuke has used without the MS the person still is moving like when he fought Deidara so Hulk will be smashing things and Sasuke's not going to get anywhere except making Hulk madder because Hulk can't hurt what he's trying to so Sasuke's regular genjutsu is out the window. We don't know what he did to the one guy who tried to keep the 8-tails hidden but that has to do with MS and he broke the guy something he isn't going to do to Hulk. Then there is Sasuke's ability to go into minds...That's the last thing he wants to do. Going into Banner's mind would be suicide for him mentally.
1. Amaterasu, Tsukiyomi, and Susano'o are his MS jutsu. Either one can get him a victory with Tsukiyomi being the hardest to gain victory from. But he can still cast very effective regular genjutsu. with out MS. So there is no point in debating how much strength he needs. Regular Sharingan and its abilities are only a drop in the bucket.2. Its still quite possible. He could calm him down. But shutting down his anger urges seasing his agresssion. Just like he did with Juugo. If he can control the energy in his nervous system. The hulk doesnt have a defense against that so sasuke could manipulate the energy in his body to stop him from sensing pain. Or make him feel exreme pressure stoping his rampamge. Or just shut him off. Genjutsu has been shown to do this,
3. According to the Databooks strictly written by kishimoto that its hotter than the sun and is an inexstinguishable flame that burns for seven days and nights. Flames to be said to come from the pits of hell. Earth reentry is still nothing compared to the temperatures of the sun. And I have seen hulk burnt to charcal while he seemed to be highly pissed off. With temperatures that were no were near that of the sun. But he regenerated in the end.
4. Says who. Kirin is lightning gathered from the heavens and is natural lightning. Not human made lightning. Kirin is conentrated lightning and not unconcentrated for a direct attack. And as you said hulk is strength and durability depends on how angry he is. And i bet he was super pissed off from fighting the guy.
5. You can't see air. The attack isnt omni directional and was focus into one direction. It destroyed everything in its path. So to say one is stronger than the pother doesn't work work. But i do give Hulk the feat for his attack being omni directional.
6. What machines have done that. there is nothing suggesting that Sasuke can't shut down the nervous system which it has been shown to do so many times. And Tsukiyomi. last 1 second in the real word. The mind goes through 72 hours of torture at the users whim of his controlling all space time and amss. Once it is over all experience rushes into the person in a mer instant all at once.
Will has nothing to do with fighting back Tsukiyomi. Or surviving genjtsu. All a strong will would do is give him the ability to be able to keep going on after he has gotten genjutsu raped.
Genjutsu al has the person mine commiting actions. Could make him feel like he was having a full fledge fight. But in reality they haven't moved an inch.
The only similiarties between Kakashi and amaterasu is that they both use MS, have to focus on the user. The properties are very different.
The hulk isnt that small either. And not that fast. And most likely the hulk in blind rage will try and attack Susano'o head on. Only for his attacks to hit Susano'o mirror abnd get reverse back on him. Full force. And if that doesnt work. Susano'o will most likely stab the hulk. Susano'o sword strike was fast enough to interupt Orochimaru's mid sentence and there was a huge distance between the two. So Susano'o is not that slow. And the Hulk fro,m what i seen. usually takes attacks head on. So ic the hulk wpould most likely try to overpower Susano'o which i dont see happeniong
Just because it works on Juugo doesn't mean it'll work on the Hulk. When has Sasuke actually ever controlled the nervous system or shut it down anyway? Hulk feeling pain makes him angrier...why would that stop him? When has genjutsu ever just shut somebody off? Not to mention has Sasuke ever done this?
And each Hulk has a different level of durability and regen. The weakest form of Hulk has regened from a near skeletal state after walking through a beings attack that was destorying everything around. Hulk's regen is better than Wolverines and he has the durability to take even more.
The guy was lightining...so what does Kirin have on the guy? Nothing. And the guy hit him with bolts of electricity that were "city destroying" and Hulk took them though they hurt and made him madder. Kirin isn't anywhere near that powerful so it's not stopping Hulk.
Zaku's attack didn't destroy half as much as Hulk's thunderclap has. That forest would have been destroyed had it been Hulk. It's been compared to the force of a nuke also something that is stronger than any other jutsu. Zaku's is pitiful in comparison.
I don't remember the machine. It was made to disrupt his nervous system when he tried to break out and Hulk broke out. And when has the Sharingan shown to mess with the nervous system? And I know what tsukiyomi does. And it's not going to do anything but make Hulk madder not crazy and he isn't going to pass out like Sasuke and Kakashi have.
The only difference between Amaterasu and Kakashi's attack is what it actually is. There is no difference in how it is preformed.
I'd like to see how long that shield holds up against Hulk's strength..He's overpowered a glove that returned the users strength back on him, he's broken things that have been said impossible to break, and during WWH it was apparently retconned back into Hulk cracking adamantium statue back in the day.
Yes, Hulk has taken temperatures hotter than the sun on more than one occasion before as well as powerful lightning bolts. He's fought the Missing Link, who was said to be able to generate temperatures as a hot as a small star. He's blocked Gladiator's heat vision (which was said to be hotter than the sun) with his hand while in a semi-weakened state. He's taken the Human Torch's nova flame twice to no ill effect, once when it was combined with Storm’s lightning (kirin, lol). He’s casually shrugged off the hottest temperatures that the superhumanly intelligent Leader could throw at him (and really, even normal real life scientists have managed to create temperatures far hotter than the sun).
Sasuke’s only real chance would be Genjutsu and even that’s iffy at best.
Good God, this isn’t even an interesting debate. Let’s try a different one.
Lobo vs Arale Norimaki. Go.
Lobo's pretty up there as well. Being able to beat on Superman ain't no small feat.
Probably the biggest reason why this would be such a good fight is that not only are both so retardedly strong, but they're both really cartoony in terms of personality and just the things they do in their series. Not to mention neither can really be killed.