Originally posted by BradBalboaWell you are wrong, since Goku could not lift 40 tons.
Its said that a saiayns strength, speed,durabiltiy,stamina tecc increace 50 Fold with every super saiyan transformation!! whch i belive is resonable, goku cudnt even touch frieza then when he went ssj, the shoes where on the other foot !
personanly i put got at 100ton as a kid easily !!
Goku at base at best was like... 30 tons I guess.
So going by that equation(which has never been proven to my knowledge), Goku can lift 3,750,000 tons, which is nothing to Superman.
Originally posted by Csdabest
40 tons. it was more because the gravity on the planet was 10x. 80,000 x10. 800,000. 400 tons. Placed on each limb. And you dare say Goku is weaker than Super. Goku struggled with that wait at base and moved around like it was nothing going SSJ 1.
How many times do I have to explain this?
First of all, the gravity of that planet was never stated. Second of all, tons is a measure of force, not mass, so it is independent of the gravity field.
Im wondering were you post contradicts mine. There isnt any proof that the planet wasn't 10x earth gravity.
There also isn't any proof it wasn't 1/10th earth gravity. Burden of proof is on the positive claim.
And it working with previous evidence from the manga and anime from the planets being 10x.
King Kai's planet was 10x gravity. So was planet Vegeta. How does that make Grand Kai planet 10x gravity? It's not like every planet in the DBU other than earth has 10x earth gravity. After all, Namek had earthlike gravity (unless you think Bulma is 10 times stronger than a normal human).
40tons is 40 tons. No matter what way you look at it. It would be looked as 40tons under 10x earth gravity.
Which would be 400 tons.
Think about this for a second: Let's say that you have a 40 ton weight on a planet with 1/10th earth gravity. You then bring it to earth. Is it still a 40 - ton weight? No, it's now a 400 ton weight. So you would call it 400 tons, not 40 tons.
Well I seen Superman struggle lifting air planes
Are you talking about Superman Returns? Not only is that movie non-canon, but the only reason he was "struggling" with the plane was because he was trying to save it without killing everyone aboard.
and get hurt by blows from people who are no where near the 10ton strength feet much less 40 under 10x.
Such as....?
Goku was throwing rapid fire kicks and punches with 40 tons on each limb at only SSJ1. Quickly. With zero problem. It shows you how much of a strength increase occurs when he transforms. Imagine at SSJ3 or SSJ4,
And how much would that be? You don't know - so it's unfounded extrapolation. BTW, SSJ4 is non-canon.
Superman can move planets, throw spaceships multiple kilometers long out of orbit, crack apart moons with a punch, power a device the size of the solar system with his brute strength, etc.
Its said that a saiayns strength, speed,durabiltiy,stamina tecc increace 50 Fold with every super saiyan transformation!!
This is a lie. The only thing suggesting this is the Daizenshuu which states that SSJ1 Goku's PL is 50 times higher than his base PL. Not only does this not say anything about the other SSJ states (and it can obviously not be used as a predictive law, since different SSJ1s have different strengths, for example SSJ1 Vegeta was stronger than SSJ1 Goku, who was stronger than SSJ1 Trunks. Also SSJ1 Goten and Trunks combined were beating android 18, who was stronger than SSJ1 Vegeta). Furthermore, it's a PL stat, so it measures increase in ki, which is not directly proportional to physical strength, speed, etc.
Originally posted by Dark-Jaxx
Exactly. Goku at SSJ(first transformation) would be a multi-million ton lifter if PL directly correlated to strength.
Wow are you serious. Its a times 50 multiplyer. IF only ki went up Then the characters wouldnt be able to keep up in speed, the punches still wouldn't mean squat, and their would still be taking the same damage.
Also base goku was being shown to lift 40tons under 10x gravity. Or whatever. He was moving around struggeling with it. Each transformation dramatically increase, speed, strength, endurance, and power.
Your saying it doesnt add up to different characters. Power level flucates as time goes by quickly. And characters are much stronger as time pass buy. Do you even read japanese to obtain the power levels for the Dai. to back up your claims. Go to some old DBZ forum boards that have japanese translators. And you will see that the Dai. explains that each transformation is a multipler by around 50.
Also Superman struggeling with Airplane has been shown in movie, cartoon, and the comic. Im not even a fan of usperman and read his stiuff but seen him struggeling with stuff thats are below his top feats. Same thing with goku. The characters in DBZ had to hold the strength back in order to not destrouy the planet their on and learn how to focus their strength. Read some of the creator interviews.
kid buu with a ki ball the size of a womans basketball was said to have enough energy to destroy the planet i beleive it was either 10 or 100 times over.
When characters have been shown to let their powers run rampant it has been shown to warp the dimension and frabic in reality. Or the spacetime continum. Trunks and goten fusion screamed and rip a dimensional hole. Goku powered up in outer world and was ripping apart the reality and dimension apart. So its clear that each transformation gives a multipler.
Originally posted by CsdabestRead what I actually said then think about what my point really was dude.
Wow are you serious. Its a times 50 multiplyer. IF only ki went up Then the characters wouldnt be able to keep up in speed, the punches still wouldn't mean squat, and their would still be taking the same damage.Also base goku was being shown to lift 40tons under 10x gravity. Or whatever. He was moving around struggeling with it. Each transformation dramatically increase, speed, strength, endurance, and power.
Your saying it doesnt add up to different characters. Power level flucates as time goes by quickly. And characters are much stronger as time pass buy. Do you even read japanese to obtain the power levels for the Dai. to back up your claims. Go to some old DBZ forum boards that have japanese translators. And you will see that the Dai. explains that each transformation is a multipler by around 50.
Also Superman struggeling with Airplane has been shown in movie, cartoon, and the comic. Im not even a fan of usperman and read his stiuff but seen him struggeling with stuff thats are below his top feats. Same thing with goku. The characters in DBZ had to hold the strength back in order to not destrouy the planet their on and learn how to focus their strength. Read some of the creator interviews.
kid buu with a ki ball the size of a womans basketball was said to have enough energy to destroy the planet i beleive it was either 10 or 100 times over.
When characters have been shown to let their powers run rampant it has been shown to warp the dimension and frabic in reality. Or the spacetime continum. Trunks and goten fusion screamed and rip a dimensional hole. Goku powered up in outer world and was ripping apart the reality and dimension apart. So its clear that each transformation gives a multipler.