Originally posted by NonSensi-Klown
Your opinion, which is wrong anyway, would matter if you bothered to actually read. you don't, or maybe you can't, do it is in fact irrelevent.
What are you crying about
Originally posted by Dark-Jaxx
Despite evidence he does in fact have it?
As long as I've been reading him I've never seen it. If you have proof of it then I'd like to see it and Im sure half the comic vs forum would like to see it.
Originally posted by Endless Mike
Superman fought Wonder Woman to the sun and back in less than 1 minute and 54 seconds. It takes light 8 minutes to reach earth from the sun.
Please people should just stop mentioning this fight. All superman did was charge at wonderwoman with heat vision, Pick her up and begin to choke her and fly toward the sun and next thing u know they were at the sun. Great flight speed but not at all proof of FTL battle speed.
Originally posted by Endless Mike
Yes it was, considering they were able to hit each other and dodge attacks, and react during it
During the actual flight to the sun almost nothing happened. Superman charged at wonderwoman shot at her with heatvision she managed to block it, he then picked her up started flying to the sun while choking her.He firs her with heat vision again and she manages to put her hand in his eye. Next thing we know they are at the sun. He then punches her back to earth. There was no hitting each other or dodging attacks or whatever during that period.
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Originally posted by Endless Mike
I love how you mention a bunch of attacks and blocks and counters and then claim they didn't happen 😆
🙁 Ugh. Is this a joke? U mean from those scans u saw light speed fighting? This is hilarious. U talked about them hitting each other and dodging attacks(plural) while they were flying to the sun. Yet during the actual journey to the sun, superman doesnt even throw ONE punch. The only form of limb movement throughout the whole journey is wonderwoman evetually managing to put her hands in his eye. And there is no proof that it was at anything remotely close to light speed. So where were iur bunch of attacks?
Are u this confused 😕 😂
The attacks took place during the fight, and the whole thing was faster than light, due to the distance it covered. Learn to put 2 and 2 together.
Diana was thinking and forming plans on the way - "He thinks I'm Doomsday and I just killed Lois, and he's going to throw me into the sun"
She wouldn't have time to think that if she couldn't react that fast.
Originally posted by Endless Mike
The attacks took place during the fight, and the whole thing was faster than light, due to the distance it covered. Learn to put 2 and 2 together.Diana was thinking and forming plans on the way - "He thinks I'm Doomsday and I just killed Lois, and he's going to throw me into the sun"
She wouldn't have time to think that if she couldn't react that fast.
No i advise u to learn to actually LOOK at whats on panel and then to and not make up nonsense.
'WTF are u talking about? What attacks do u keep seeing? Neither Superman NOR Diana threw A SINGLE BLOW!. 😱 This is just getting ridiculous. The ONLY form of limb movement at all during the journey from earth to the sun was diana managing to get her hand onto clarks face. Further there is ABSOLUTELY no proof that even that action was anywhere close to light speed because depending on how long the flight took( probably a few seconds) it would have been very possible for diana to move her hand to supermans face at way below light speed.
Also, it is a regular thing for comics to show dialogue or thought processes at superspeed. Even Guys like Iron fist and Daredevil have thought in multiple complete sentences in the time it took them to dodge bullets.Hence the reason that such things are not taken to literally. In any case all that is irrelevant as there is NOTHING close to light speed fighting in that instance period.
Originally posted by ultimatethor
Also, it is a regular thing for comics to show dialogue or thought processes at superspeed. Even Guys like Iron fist and Daredevil have thought in multiple complete sentences in the time it took them to dodge bullets.
I said the same thing in another thread. We see this constantly in comics.
The fact they could dodge bullets in the first places proves they could think that fast.
Furthermore, the whole fight took 1 minute and 54 seconds - that's places all over the earth, and in space. Why was Diana able to stop him from throwing her into the sun, if they were moving too fast to react?
The whole idea that their flight speed is faster than their reaction speed is idiotic, since if it was they would never be able to see where they were going (look at when Superman raced Flash around the world, and avoided every obstacle in the way)
Originally posted by Endless Mike
The fact they could dodge bullets in the first places proves they could think that fast.Furthermore, the whole fight took 1 minute and 54 seconds - that's places all over the earth, and in space. Why was Diana able to stop him from throwing her into the sun, if they were moving too fast to react?
The whole idea that their flight speed is faster than their reaction speed is idiotic, since if it was they would never be able to see where they were going (look at when Superman raced Flash around the world, and avoided every obstacle in the way)
Great martial artists like Iron fist do not have the ability to think at superspeed. They have high level reflexes that allow them to dodge bullets instinctively but that in no way gives them the ability to thiink in multiple complete sentences before the bullet hits them.
The bulk of the fight took place while they were on earth after diana was punched back from the sun and it happened in particular area at not anywhere close to light speed either.. I dont understand what u mean by all over earth. As i said, diana was able to put her hands over his eyes but there is no indication that it was done at light speed considering the time period of the fight. Thanks to her hands being over his eyes however supes stopped and when she tried to use kryptonite on him he punched her all the way back to earth.
As for the flight speed thing, in actuality that
should be the case as truthfully guys like SS wud be unable to fly light years and such without ramming into everything. However this is a comic and things just dont work that way as usually characters who fly are unable to put their flight reaction speed to use in direct physical combat.
Originally posted by ultimatethor
Great martial artists like Iron fist do not have the ability to think at superspeed. They have high level reflexes that allow them to dodge bullets instinctively but that in no way gives them the ability to thiink in multiple complete sentences before the bullet hits them.
Iron Fist is superhuman - I believe he's been able to do such things frmo what I've read.
The bulk of the fight took place while they were on earth after diana was punched back from the sun and it happened in particular area at not anywhere close to light speed either.
Actually a lot of it happened before they left earth. But the fact that so much took place on earth just makes the trip to the sun even faster.
I dont understand what u mean by all over earth. As i said, diana was able to put her hands over his eyes but there is no indication that it was done at light speed considering the time period of the fight.
What do you mean "the time period of the fight"? We know the whole thing took 1 minute and 54 seconds, we know light takes 8 minutes to reach the earth from the sun....
Thanks to her hands being over his eyes however supes stopped and when she tried to use kryptonite on him he punched her all the way back to earth.
Which doesn't make sense according to your theory, since you're claiming he can't react at that speed - if that was true he wouldn't need to see where he was going, he would just aim towards the sun and take off, and not stop until he was inside of it. So having hands over his eyes would mean nothing. Not to mention that the fact that he was able to stop before he hit the sun proves that he was reacting at faster than light speeds (or else he wouldn't have been able to stop in time)
As for the flight speed thing, in actuality that
should be the case as truthfully guys like SS wud be unable to fly light years and such without ramming into everything. However this is a comic and things just dont work that way as usually characters who fly are unable to put their flight reaction speed to use in direct physical combat.
Except they are and they have....
Originally posted by Endless Mike
Iron Fist is superhuman - I believe he's been able to do such things frmo what I've read.Actually a lot of it happened before they left earth. But the fact that so much took place on earth just makes the trip to the sun even faster.
What do you mean "the time period of the fight"? We know the whole thing took 1 minute and 54 seconds, we know light takes 8 minutes to reach the earth from the sun....
Which doesn't make sense according to your theory, since you're claiming he can't react at that speed - if that was true he wouldn't need to see where he was going, he would just aim towards the sun and take off, and not stop until he was inside of it. So having hands over his eyes would mean nothing. Not to mention that the fact that he was able to stop before he hit the sun proves that he was reacting at faster than light speeds (or else he wouldn't have been able to stop in time)
Except they are and they have....
Iron fist doesnt have superhuman thinking speed. Iron fist is able to amp his physical stats with chi to superhuman levels but this has no bearing on his thinking speed.
Im not disputing the speed of the trip to the sun as being faster than light.
By the time period of the flight, im reffering to the amount of time it takes for wonderwoman to move her hand over supes eyes in comparison with the amount of time it took supes to fly to the sun. Lets say that the time period for supes is 4 seconds. It very possible then for wondy to put her hand over supes eyes within those four seconds at far less than light speed.
Once again u are confusing the a person reacting while flying at light speed in a comic with another person being able to show those same reactions in a direct physical exchange. First of all superman didnt stop because he coudnt see where he was going but actually because wonderwoman poked his eyes. He is then seen cringing in pain in one of the panels. Further superman being able to stop and avoid hitting things while flying at light speed+ goes back to the point of flight reactions vs Physical exchange/combat reactions. As i said before every character that flys at light speed or anything close to it has to be able to react at such speeds or else they would hit things all the time. Hence the reason guys like Surfer, sentry etc can all fly at such speeds with out having horrible accidents. Heck even Iron man has to have the reactions needed to fly at supersonic speeds. However putting these reactions into play when exchanging punches/kicks with an opponent is something that is generally not seen in comics aside from characters like flash. Neither Superman nor wonderwoman nor even silver surfer or sentry have ever been depicted fighting( Thats is rapid exchanging of punches/kicks/blows etc) at speeds that can be quantified as being at light speed.
The sacrifice fight is certainly not an example of suchas it shows off supes impressive flight reaction speeds but not much else.
Originally posted by Endless MikeThe whole idea that their flight speed is faster than their reaction speed is idiotic, since if it was they would never be able to see where they were going (look at when Superman raced Flash around the world, and avoided every obstacle in the way)
Then the Sentry would be much faster than his calculated reaction time of only Mach 32 even though he has no feats to prove it, right?
