Hulk vs Captain America w/twist

Originally posted by Alfheim
You missed the point. 50X90

Originally posted by Alfheim
Missed the point again, it was used to fight someone who was powered by a rainforest. I had to come up with anb estimation.

Originally posted by Alfheim
Well that would be a problem but im not sure if thats something that he would use straight away.

Originally posted by Alfheim
No he did not he beat Mr Hyde up and with his upgrade as well.

This doesn't mean Cap's capable of physically beating the crap out of the heavy-hitters Hulk always stands up to, such as Drax, Juggernaut, Hercules, etc.

Originally posted by Alfheim
Er Hulks above 6300 tons at his base level?

Originally posted by Alfheim
The fact of the matter is that if Cap can do that much damage at 90 tons he could take Hulk out even before he claps his hands with one blow, since Cap can be considered to have enhanced reflexes and the Hulk doesn't.

Hulk, Superman was severely weakened when fighting Batman in TDKR.

Originally posted by darthgoober
It was basically an exoskeleton that allowed Bats to hang with Supes physically(at least strength wise, I don't think Supes used any speed). But it didn't provide complete protection or anything, Supes DID manage to break a couple of Batman's ribs despite the suit. So I think that this could actually be pretty close.

A Savage Hulk will not be holding back in any way. I doubt that suit could save Captain America from even 1 direct hit from Green Genes.

Originally posted by Shinkuu
The suit allowed him to hang with Superman on a physical level? Superman was weakened

Yeah but Superman had the power of a rainforest. The amazon rainforest is half the size of the US its not illogical that the power of a rainforest converted into strength could used to lift millions of tons.

Originally posted by Shinkuu

and still held back a lot during that fight. He broke three ribs

Yeah but the suit had to be pretty powerful even to survive a pulled punch from Superman.

Originally posted by Shinkuu

and tore the helmet off with minimal effort.

Well he didn't use his little finger or one hand, he had to use both hands. It wasn't difficult but he had to use some effort, the suit still had to be pretty tough again. Also the suit was powerful enough to pass the whole of Gotham's electricity through it. Eventhought the suit isn't as strong as Superman the suit must have given him Class 100 strength.

Originally posted by Shinkuu

Batman's attacks didn't do much of anything until after the Green K exploded in Superman's face.

Stll that suit had to be Class 100 to even last that long.

Originally posted by Shinkuu

A Savage Hulk will not be holding back in any way. I doubt that suit could save Captain America from even 1 direct hit from Green Genes.

Cap has an indestructible shield as well and enhanced reflexes. The Hulk is not slow but he does not have even peak human reflexes.

Originally posted by Accel
As did you. That will just be a nuisance to Hulk, nothing major.

And the power of a rainforest doesn't mean any thing to some one like Savage Hulk.

The amazon rainforest is half the size of the US.....that much power converted into strength is nothing to the Hulk. I dont think so somehow.

Originally posted by Accel

I'd say he's far more likely to use it than Cap is going to try pressure points..

Well its likely that it wont be his first form of attack.

Originally posted by Accel

I'm not sure if you meant to put the "not" in that post or not, but Cap beating up Hyde doesn't mean any thing. That's why I brought in the fact that even Daredevil beat him. They guy just lives to be owned.
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So Cap has also knocked out the Wrecker but im not sure if the Wrecker was class 10 or 40 strength

Originally posted by Accel

This doesn't mean Cap's capable of physically beating the crap out of the heavy-hitters Hulk always stands up to, such as Drax, Juggernaut, Hercules, etc..

None of these people use pressure points.

Originally posted by Accel

Very possible, considering he's moved tectonic plates at his base.
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Well lets put it this way. The batsuit was used to fight somebody who had the strength of a rainforest possibly half the size of the US. Which means that Superman could probably lift millions of tons. Somehow I dont think his base strength is in the milion. Eventhough the batsuit was not as strong as Superman it still had to be pretty tough and was used to channel Gotham's electricity. That suit had to be in the Class 100 range and im not even going to bother to do any calcualtions. What you need to consider isi that Cap was able to knock Thuderball out stonecold. Thunderball is 10 or 12 times stronger than Cap. I have heard that he knocked out The Wrecker but im not sure wether he was class 40. So in the batsuit Cap is most likely to be class 100, times his strength by ten and this is the strength level that he will be able to one shot an opponent.

Originally posted by Accel

So you're saying Cap (who is now as strong as the Thing) should be able to speedblitz and one-shot Hulk in less than the amount of time it takes for him to clap his hands together? 😂

Well actually looking at the evidence he will be in class 100 range. Yeah he can speedblitz him. The Hulk does not even have peak human reflexes. If Cap is good enough to give Iron Spidey trouble, he will be fast enough to throw his shield between The Hulks hands and then rush him for a one shot.

Actually, the Hulk is possibly beyond peak human reflexes. He has cought speeding planes, speedsters and the Silver Surfer flying at TSOL. Among others.

Originally posted by Dinalfos
Actually, the Hulk is possibly beyond peak human reflexes. He has cought speeding planes, speedsters and the Silver Surfer flying at TSOL. Among others.

Isn't that PIS, his bio doesnt say anything about having peak human reflexes. I mean Cap has tagged Quicksilver with his shield.

Originally posted by Alfheim
Isn't that PIS, his bio doesnt say anything about having peak human reflexes. I mean Cap has tagged Quicksilver with his shield.

Well, Cap's bio doesn't say anything about having superhuman reflexes, strength and speed. But I think Hulk's speed feats are also related to his sense of aiming, timing and direction, which is supernatural.

And everyone has "tagged" quicksilver 😛

Originally posted by Dinalfos
Well, Cap's bio doesn't say anything about having superhuman reflexes, strength and speed. But I think Hulk's speed feats are also related to his sense of aiming, timing and direction, which is supernatural.

And everyone has "tagged" quicksilver 😛

It does actually. Superhuman can be considered to be an actual level rather than a term described in the dictionary. Therefore Cap can be considered to be enhanced, because it is below Superhuman. Kang's bio indirectly says that Cap is enhanced too.

I hope this makes sense when you say Superhuman you mean in the broad sense of the word not the actual MU level.

Hulks speed feats are bad writing. People like Cap and Spiderman have been able to dodge him on numerous occassions. More often than not Hulk's reflex showings tend to be slower than Cap and Spiderman.

I think everyone would agree that Iron Spidey has better reflexes than the Hulk, fact is if Cap can give Iron Spidey a spot of bother he should be able blitz the Hulk.

Originally posted by Alfheim
It does actually. Superhuman can be considered to be an actual level rather than a term described in the dictionary. Therefore Cap can be considered to be enhanced, because it is below Superhuman. Kang's bio indirectly says that Cap is enhanced too.

I hope this makes sense when you say Superhuman you mean in the broad sense of the word not the actual MU level.

Hulks speed feats are bad writing. People like Cap and Spiderman have been able to dodge him on numerous occassions. More often than not Hulk's reflex showings tend to be slower than Cap and Spiderman.

I think everyone would agree that Iron Spidey has better reflexes than the Hulk, fact is if Cap can give Iron Spidey a spot of bother he should be able blitz the Hulk.

No, Cap is a peak human who was scientifically enhanced to operate at that level. And actually, Hulk's numerous speed feats aren't nearly as bad as some of Cap's feats, such as being able to hold his own against Spiderman. Or throwing his shield at mach speed.

His raging fury makes him slow and careless, but when he really wants to, he can be very, very swift. People keep underestimating him in the speed department. Ofcourse, he ain't no Spiderman.

Originally posted by Dinalfos
No, Cap is a peak human who was scientifically enhanced to operate at that level.

So what hes enhanced.

Originally posted by Dinalfos

And actually, Hulk's numerous speed feats aren't nearly as bad as some of Cap's feats, such as being able to hold his own against Spiderman.

Well im sorry as I have said to you before Cap's skills are equivalent to super powers in the sense that he can take on superhumans. His bio says so in black and white. Furthermore Mantis can stun people in Thor's strength range and she isn't even as strong as cap. Sorry thats just the way it goes. Cap is not a Mantis but if she can do it, I dont see why Cap cant do it on a lesser level. Thats the way the cookie crumbles. I dont like Wolverine having more fighting experience than Cap, it stinks but thats just how it is.

Originally posted by Dinalfos

Or throwing his shield at mach speed.

Can we forget about that?

Originally posted by Dinalfos

His raging fury makes him slow and careless, but when he really wants to, he can be very, very swift. People keep underestimating him in the speed department. Ofcourse, he ain't no Spiderman.

Or Cap.

That suit is not Hulkbuster quality, and Bruce had kryptonite gas in the end to turn the tide against Clark. And it will just compromise Steve's mobility, and he needs it.
No winning against the Hulk here, unless Bat-Kicks count. 😛

Originally posted by roughrider
That suit is not Hulkbuster quality, and Bruce had kryptonite gas in the end to turn the tide against Clark. And it will just compromise Steve's mobility, and he needs it.
No winning against the Hulk here, unless Bat-Kicks count. 😛

Bruv have you read what I said in the previous posts? iF you had you would not say that. How do you know his speed is going to be compromised thats just speculation.

Hulk 10/10

Yeah thank you for that in-depth analysis 🙄

Originally posted by Alfheim
Bruv have you read what I said in the previous posts? iF you had you would not say that. How do you know his speed is going to be compromised thats just speculation.

I write what I write because I am a well-informed, fully rounded human being. Not a raging fanboy. 😄

Originally posted by roughrider
I write what I write because I am a well-informed, fully rounded human being. Not a raging fanboy. 😄

*sigh* Have you read my posts concerning the batsuit? Well what you have to ask yourself is a the power of a rainforest half the size of the US, stronger than the Hulk's base strength.

😆 cap would die no pis hulk can punch him into the sun and yes hulk is faster way FASTER he can run 300mph sorry but there is no way for cap to win

Originally posted by mighty adam
😆 cap would die no pis hulk can punch him into the sun and yes hulk is faster way FASTER he can run 300mph sorry but there is no way for cap to win

Im too tired to respond, you have to do better than that. Running speed is not equivalent to reflexes.

Originally posted by Alfheim
So what hes enhanced.

Yes. And?

Well im sorry as I have said to you before Cap's skills are equivalent to super powers in the sense that he can take on superhumans. His bio says so in black and white. Furthermore Mantis can stun people in Thor's strength range and she isn't even as strong as cap. Sorry thats just the way it goes. Cap is not a Mantis but if she can do it, I dont see why Cap cant do it on a lesser level. Thats the way the cookie crumbles. I dont like Wolverine having more fighting experience than Cap, it stinks but thats just how it is.

Alright, let's not go through this all over again. Agree to this agree on thise one?

Btw, this has nothing to do with like or dislike.

Can we forget about that?

Well, yes. But I only brought it up as a comparison.

Or Cap.

Cap is more agile and a better fighter with a great "eye". And yes, he's quick on his feet and has well developed reflexes. But not necessarily better than Hulk's. But like I said, Hulk is helped a great deal by his supernatural sense of accuracy/timing/direction.

Originally posted by Alfheim
Yeah thank you for that in-depth analysis 🙄

Because he's the friggin' Hulk. No analysis necessary.