I mean how STUPID would it be of them to end it Will/Liz as a certainty after what DMC did for movie sales??
Its crazy to think that IMO..
movies only get to 1 billion when SOMETHING is working really well on screen..jack is the money of the movie..thats all people need to think of..and what do we see with Jack in DMC?
yeah i think they will get what they want.
t and t made this big post on their site about how when they originally came to disney (and Gore, actually) with the idea for the ending of 3, both of them totally rejected it. but within a few weeks, they had come around and they ended up keeping that ending (whatever it was!!!!!) so i do think they will get their way.
however, i am concerned they will try to get all artistic and epic and give it one of those tragic endings. blech. i am afraid they will start taking themselves too seriously, ya know???
Those only get to 1 billion when you already expect tragedy in a movie
Like Titanic or to a lesser extent Romeo and Juliet, or Phantom of the Opera. (we all expect tragedy)
when it ends on tragedy and you dont expect it..usually you dont get to 1 billion. You usually dont get a very successful movie at all.
PotC is a feel good movie..if they are wise they wont end it really horribly for any character. I dont even think Will's ending is a bad one really..he wants to die. Me thinks he gets Tia too.
you know what Kate.I bet that ending was the one with the kid in the future 😂
I can imagine everyone shouting NO! when they first hear it but when you really think about it..Its pretty cool if they do a prequel to it kinda thing...
would people really shout NO! to it being Will's son? 😂
Lots of people here were like "no way would it be Jacks kid it ruins the movie" but IMO it wouldnt...when you think about it at first its a bad idea..but it becomes kinda cool..
They're not taking themselves too seriously, in my opinion. They're excellent writers and have an excellent understanding of character. The artistry exemplified in DMC, was actually present in the first movie from a certain point of view.
Though Jack's character may have been considered comedic in the first film, there is an element of tragedy about him that transcends the lighter moments. If you think about the deleted scenes on the island, and how his facade is essentially dropped, you'll see what I mean. Also, if you apply the knowledge of Jack's past with the EITC and all that he lost, you'll see a very different movie.
The real tragedy of the characters is that they're all struggling to find themselves in a world where they've all had to deny who they truly are. So, it wouldn't be so artistic if, that in their struggle to finally come to terms with their "touch of destiny" the characters stand to loose something of value.
That's the beauty of the series. That even though it's a blockbuster, at it's heart, the movies are about the characters.
Jack is rather tragic underneath I have always thought so too..he's a weak man without his material possessions there to make him feel strong and brave..When he's totally laid bare..there is nothing. He's a shell of a person in movie 1..Elizabeth basically saw him naked and she didnt laugh
which is true of many people who cling onto material things for security. You see them pretend to be brave etc but underneath they are crumbling as people.
Money cant buy happiness..its the oldest saying in the book.
Jack deserves some close human companionship
movie 2 we see him begin to become the legend he always boasts to be..and it was because of Elizabeth.
usually with characters like Jack in movies..in the end they get a decent woman by their side..Its one of the best loved romances people see on screen..where someone pretends to feel like they have everything they need..but deep down they are crumbling away because they secretly yearn for love. They have prostitutes..all the material things they ever wanted..but can they ever make you feel loved back? sure you can love them but inanimate objects are just that..inanimate. How can that possibly satisfy Jack for an eternity?
can people honestly tell me that Jack was perfectly happy as a man with no one in his life but material things? even after what we saw him reduced to on the beach i movie 1?
If you were that kind of person who had nothing but material things..would you give them up in order have human companionship in your life?
Why do some people not like the thought of Jack actually having what most people crave? Is Jack not human like you?
Why should Jack be left on his own a weak and crumbling man? Poor Jack. 🙁
Originally posted by LovelyOne
Jack is rather tragic underneath I have always thought so too..he's a weak man without his material possessions there to make him feel strong and brave..When he's totally laid bare..there is nothing. He's a shell of a person in movie 1..Elizabeth basically saw him naked and she didnt laughwhich is true of many people who cling onto material things for security. You see them pretend to be brave etc but underneath they are crumbling as people.
Money cant buy happiness..its the oldest saying in the book.
Jack deserves some close human companionship
movie 2 we see him begin to become the legend he always boasts to be..and it was because of Elizabeth.
yes, yes, YES!!!! 🙂
i think in a lot of ways, the 13 years Jack was granted as captain of the pearl was also a sort of 13 years of freedom, 13 years of being selfish, alone, independent, and without a clear moral landscape. in 13 years Jack hasnt fallen hard for any girl, he hasnt had any real strong ties to anyone. but now, that has to change. the 13 years is up--- not just his 13 years as captain, but his whole lifestyle is in to change. and it is... without him even trying... he has fallen for someone, he's acting all heroic, he's no longer carefree, suddenly his priorities are changing.
its like, 13 years of faking it and suddenly he sees who he is--- and that person is just freaking amazing, IMO.
i think Jack has a lot more tricks in the bag to whip out in 3. i cant wait. im just rambling now. lol.
The writers have very clearly stated more than once that it's not so much that the character of Jack Sparrow has changed, but that's he's been revealed.
I think there's strong evidence to support that Jack didn't begin his life as a pirate. That he wasn't always a selfish man who lived for himself. That wasn't a choice that he made necessarily--it was made for him by Beckett and others around him. AWE will reveal what it takes to make a man a pirate--that sometimes doing the right thing DOES involve an act of Piracy.
His facade that he's created to survive in this morally ambiguous pirate world has gotten in the way of forming relationships. I think the writers have also said somewhere that this is in fact Jack's struggle. You can't be truly "free" and expect to have relationships. He's not necessarily a man motivated by material wealth though. If you look at his past with Beckett. If he were to have been a man driven by material posessions, he would have never set upon a mission to return the slaves he had been carrying as cargo back to Africa. He'd have delivered them.
His love of the Black Pearl has less to do with that it's a posession and more to do with, in all likely hood, that a ship, unlike a person, cannot betray you. It's probably the most loyal thing in his life, which is terribly sad when you really think about it. But look at how many times his trusting nature has led him to disaster.
I know I agree with you kate.
People who say Jack was always happy the way he was..did you not see movie 1? we saw the real Jack underneath everything and he's falling apart as a human being..Imagine buildng up this pftyress of falseness.."look at me I'm a captain..look at my hat..my style, my ship, my legend! I have all the women I ever wanted"
then why when all of these things are taken away from him in movie 1 do we see such an emotionally weak man? ..
He's weak because he has no reason to exist once you take all of that way..he has nothing else to live for apart from material objects..when they are gone there is a void that cant be filled by rum.
In DMC..he has everything he wants..but its not enough..He's thinking of Elizabeth..the one woman who saw him at his weakest and didnt laugh at him and what he has become over the years..she also out did him which I think sets her apart from many of the women he's been with. She left him speechless on the beach.
Johnny even loves how his character became speechless like that because of her.
in DMC..he has a reason to live....and we see him decide to gve up things that dont really matter to him anymore. Like the pearl for example...we see him give up putting himself before others in dangerous situations.
Jack would have probably gone back to the pearl anyway but because Elizabeth was on there in danger..this is why we see him totally kick ass when he returns.people only show confidence like that in dangerous situations if they are fighting for someone they really care about.
Cowards who have no one flee..we saw Jack do that..then he realises he has someone
You cant have a character change dramitacally in one movie then change back to his old ways in the next. you cant have Jack again loving material possesions and holding on to them like a little coward. He dont need material tings to make him a legend or strong. He needs a woman to love and to hold. Elizabeth is his weakness and strength. Its waht makes him nervous and relax at the same time. Shes his everythin. Everything tat you dont expect Jack Sparrow to do. A man who is never settled wit his relationship and only depends on material things for happiness is now changed into a new man. Only treassure he needs is Liz. Not even his pearl... is only a ship, mate.
If the closure to the triangle is in DMC (according to T&T) then I think its pretty obvious where everyone's heart now truly belongs in the story..and where it is going to belong in AWE..the building blocks have been formed now all there is is to tie up the plot ends.
In DMC:
Jack and Elizabeth grew closer
Will and Elizabeth grew apart
They are joined again..but Elizabeth gave up something she wanted most to do so..and when she's with who she wanted to save the most in this world..she feels empty AGAIN..and its about the 5th time in the story this appears to happen to her.
Elizabeth runs back to Jack. She gives up a happy ever after with Will in order to return to Jack.
Will gives up a happy ever after to pursue more important things than Elizabeth
and Jack?
1. He decided to make her an obligation in his life.
2. He dies for her..willingly..he is transformed as a man..he's brave he has something in his life to live for besides material objects
And is still very much in love with her even when she runs away. According to the Novel of the movie "Jack desired Elizabeth all the more, knowing her heart was as dark as his own" that smile is true to how he feels..in awe of Elizabeth...When Jack is silent. He is his most honest. Remember that 🙂
Re: Maybe Im missing Something...
Originally posted by Pirates life fo
I am hoping people can come up with a list of 'facts' from the movies that prove Jack and Liz will end up together. Everyone is sure that it will happen and maybe I am just missing something. What clues have been given to us?
Hello....I guess for us...it's not so much that we have "facts" that they will end up together...we just have "facts" or "clues" that point to Jack and Liz....as in, we BELIEVE that they should be together or end up together. We have no clue what T and T have in mind, but as we see it...it just seems like this is the way the story is moving
Originally posted by Pirates life fo
Hello again. Last night I didnt leave because I had run out of steam or because I couldnt answer a question posed. I crashed out. When you work 14-18 hour days and then come home and spend 4 hours online it happens. :-)
yea i know what your talking about sometimes i work 14 hours a day. It sucks
have a good one
LOL apparently Brad Pitt has now started to talk about these Orlando dying in PotC 3 "rumors" 😂
I'm wondering if they are gonna change the ending now cuz bloody crappy Keeptothecode..took all my info from here and spread it over there and some of Disney saw it.
notice how all of the comments to come out from Terry and Disney PR people actually DENY the rumors?? 😂
funny stuff..