True, part of the great thing about the production is that they spent so much time in doing it well. There is so much love and dedication that went into these movies, and it shows. That's part of why they're so successful. They chose to make them the right way. I wish Hollywood would pay more attention to their example. I actually thought it was a shame that Elizabeth's wedding dress spent so much time in the water. It was really beautifully made.
Originally posted by Pirates life fo
You will have to refresh my memory. Why was it that Liz chained Jack to the rail? Was it because she wanted him to die? If so did she want him to die because she realized that her feelings for Jack were growing but she loved Will and was trying to kill those feelings for him?
How funny, the W/E would answer you the 1st question. But for what reason did she wanted him to die? but the second question sounds more suitable.(for us) and more convincing after seeing all those hints that were given to us through the entire movie
Ha! Well, I guess not. It is pretty late in California. I know my brain is lagging a little. Maybe he's waiting for the opportune moment, though I think he hit his stride a few posts back.
He did have a point about interpretation though. Sometimes it's easy to leap to conclusions. At the same time, he was essentially saying that we should all just take things at face value. There's no movie worth its salt that you can take at face value.
Originally posted by savvysparrow
Ha! Well, I guess not. It is pretty late in California. I know my brain is lagging a little. Maybe he's waiting for the opportune moment, though I think he hit his stride a few posts back.He did have a point about interpretation though. Sometimes it's easy to leap to conclusions. At the same time, he was essentially saying that we should all just take things at face value. There's no movie worth its salt that you can take at face value.
Its way pass bedtime here in Fl, I got his point as well, he is right he does have a point. Oh well I'm off to bed. Have a good morning.
Re: Maybe Im missing Something...
Originally posted by Pirates life fo
I am hoping people can come up with a list of 'facts' from the movies that prove Jack and Liz will end up together. Everyone is sure that it will happen and maybe I am just missing something. What clues have been given to us?
Mainly the things Ted and Terry have said.
I'm not saying they will end up together but because I used to learn film studies I had to study the basic structrures of stories etc..and everything is pointing to it.
there is a quote from Ted somewhere on boxofficemojo that suggests why Elizbabeth did that to Jack at the end
because he came back for her and in doing so basically wanted to be with her on a long term basis and this is why Liz did what she did. apparently..
Wouldn't you think that was a really cold hearted way to just say no to someone?
Or did she really want him and simply removed the temptation?
the second would make morse sense of the emtions she showed whenever her felings for Jack get called into question in DMC..when ever they do..all she shows is fear, denial, anger etc.
maybe this is the only thing we need to know how the trilogy will end Pirates life fo 🙂
"How do you create a sense of closure for Dead Man's Chest even though you have more story to tell in the third film?Rossio: The closure comes from a resolution of the thematic argument of the film. While there may be some plot issues still dangling, as long as the film makes a definitive statement in terms of the emotional story of some of the characters, there's a sense of it being complete. Ideally (knock on wood).
Elliott: What's really interesting is -- if there was no sequel after this, if there was no third movie, with the basic emotional moments and what happens at the end of this one -- I would be comfortable having it go out [like this]. We would have resolved the plot of Davy Jones differently, but, in terms of what happens with Jack and Will and Elizabeth and the conclusion of our movie, I feel comfortable that it would work whether you had a sequel coming up or not."
The closure to the love triangle is supposed to be there and its only the plot ends that need be cleaned up.
When you look at first glance..you will think its one thing..but look past the climactic moment to the very last scene for each character in the movie.
Its clear where each character's heart truly lies.
I would also say that will/Liz ended up further apart emotionaly than ever before when it ended. Jack/Liz however? much, much closer.
What I notice is..Will and Jack are both miles ahead of Elizabeth in terms of emotional development, they have both taken many steps when it comes to accepting the new obstacle in their life..yet Elizabeth? It only happens right at the end. through out much of the movie she is just stuck in this horrible limbo where she's slowly becoming more and more terrified of her feelings for Jack.
hey guys please dont be hostile towards Pirates life fo..he's a nice guy..and he knows lots about the pirates movies..He knows what he's talking about 🙂
but Jack did have feelings long before he even bumped into Liz again..but they were "vexing" him. His compass is pointing at her then furthest away then at her again according to Ted.
Tia even picked up on it
Naomi said in an interview "She has the ability to look through people and see thier true hearts and true desires"
she knows that Jack is thinking of Elizabeth but is "loath to claim it for his own"..meaning he is "wary/afraid" to claim it..if it was just for sex why would he be so afraid? Its not..he's afraid of making anyone else an obligation in life instead of himself and his material possessions
this is just me guessing but they seem to have tied in the start of movie 2 to the end of movie 1..where Elizabeth is on Jack's mind (singing the song she taught him on the beach) "he realises what he's doing and smiles"(script) Then he looks at his compass, snaps it shut..smiles "drink up me hearties YO HO!" and heads in the oppsosite direction to "uncharted waters" according to the script that is. What the heckaroo does that mean?
Does it mean Jack has actually began to take his step into unknown places by the end of movie 1? For example leaving a woman and her STILL being on his mind?
had they left in that peas in a pod scene in movie 1..that little moment at the end wouldnt have gone past our heads so much..we would realize that Jack leaves with a little more than just the horizon on his mind..and thus it opens for how he feels in movie 2 perfectly..a year later and she's still there..haunting him.
Re: Maybe Im missing Something...
Originally posted by Pirates life fo
I am hoping people can come up with a list of 'facts' from the movies that prove Jack and Liz will end up together. Everyone is sure that it will happen and maybe I am just missing something. What clues have been given to us?
wow i missed a lot this morning.
i think this is a great question, and everyone has done a good job answering it.
if i were gonna answer it, i'd say this: we dont have any facts. no one does, really. we have theories, we have ideas, we have opinions. a lot of people strongly feel they are going to end up together based on various hints.
but these are just hints. ya know?
for me, i am not "so sure" they are going to end up together, but i am very hopeful!!! 🙂
Its not just hints..its the structure of a story..people go to a movie expecting to see something familiar in terms of story telling..and its usually those 12 structual steps..that is the single most successful way to tell a captivating story in the history of the planet DMC is doing it I can see it..DMC/AWE are one story..and Jack is following the steps, as is Elizabeth and Will at their own paces..some some are way behind others
Stories have been done like that for thousands of years..Its human nature to reject the unknown (which funnily enough is step 3) and if the story messes with the structure that people are familiar with it screws up the box office takings..I've been taught this..its statistical fact.
and if they end up in a weird way that makes no sense to what we see the story appear to amount to in DMC/AWE..then it will probably be out done by Spiderman at the box office..a movie franchise that doesnt mess up the familiar pattern of story telling.
its a blockbuster not an art house movie/independent movie..they cant afford to be "different" in terms of structure and story telling.
Movie 2 appears to be hints because its only the first half of the overall story..this is the point where we are supposed to start seeing how things will end up...but cuz its one movie its hints and not straight forward facts.
movie 3 will be the moment when we see whats really going on..it will be a fact when we watch it..and we do actually see that Jack is in ove with Elizabeth.
by the end we should be able to look back at DMC and say "yes that makes sense"
oh gee i am so out of it this morning. above i meant we have the facts for movie 1 and 2. LOLLLLLL
sometimes i try to think about the story the way the writer's intended it to come across, versus to way it obviously came across to us from the final product. a lot of times what they are saying doesnt exactly match up with what we see... ya know? because they have such a different view of things--- the first version of every scene and what it was meant to be in their minds--- and probably what came across on screen is slightly different most of the time. right?
I wonder which way Gore ships. anyone got any info? 😉
Wait, Johnny ships J/E?
And I wasn't intending to be rude to Pirate's Life. Far from it. I should have realized that the poor attempt at humor I was trying to make wouldn't succeed. It's all about delivery, and unfortunately, the internet isn't conducive to conveying tone of voice. I should have put in a 😉 or something to that affect.
Anyway, sorry Pirate Life and to others who were miffed.
Back to the task at hand, Johnny ships J/E?
yes he seems to like the idea of his character being infatuated with a female..one that is able to beat him at his own game. he siad it was his favorite part of Jack Sparrow in movie 1 on the beach with Elizabeth..its the "most revealing" for his character and he seems to like it in movie 2 aswell...hence the fact we see the theme continue
personally, i think the writers and gore secretly ship j/e just cause they are horny. 😉 w/l was obviously not doing it for them, or they wouldnt have thrown in the hott j/l element.
disney as a coorporation definately ships w/l. they try to make will look manly on their merchandise. its kind of cute how hard they try to make him look tough.
meanwhile, that super cheesy jewelry store Claire's has pirate mediallions that actually look quite real now.
again^^ Disney the co operation seem to realy be slightly backwards when it comes to selling a movie..hence the fact they are going so poorly latley with all of their own movies...They needed Pixar to make good animations..now they have lost them...Chicken Little? I mean WTF.
If gore etc want J/L then it will probably happen..they were stubborn when it came to keping jack in the story during the first movie and if they know J/L is the right path they will be allowed to do it me thinks.